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As you may have heard, the city of Detroit is bankrupt. They're considering selling off their art collections. Unions are demanding they get their pensions. Here are impressive photos of abandoned buildings in Detroit.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

As you may have heard, the city of Detroit is bankrupt. They're considering selling off their art collections. Unions are demanding they get their pensions. Here are impressive photos of abandoned buildings in Detroit.

that is sad, very sad.   You can just tell some of those buildings used be beautiful.    That city really needs  a lot of help.  Its a shame.  I think the either state or the feds need to take over.  

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Mrebo said:

This cop should have been promoted.

Also note the official photo of the police chief where he could only muster a sneer as a smile.

I agree with you.  If I lived in Auburn, I would demand action from the proper local and state elected officials and I'd remind them that I would remember there actions or lack there of on election day.    This is yet another thing where it would be nice to have Ferris' reaction. 

btw, I failed to see any photo  of the police chief on that page.

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btw, when I on that page looking at the story of the cop,  I saw this:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/27/juror-b29-was-framed-sort-of/

I then watched the ABC interview.   She does seem to believe that morally George Zimmerman got away with murder, but that the law would not allow her to convict him. 

One thing she said really bothered me,  she is is hurting as much as Trayvon's mother.   If I were Trayvon's mother, I would be extremely offended by that.  While I have no problem believing that the juror feels hurt and feels guilty that she didn't/couldn't  convict Zimmerman of anything,  there is no way on earth she could be hurting as much as Trayvon's mother.   Trayvon's mother lost her son, matter what side of this you are on,  you have to have to agree that losing a son(whether the son was murdered or killed in self defense) is a terrible loss.  I think if you ask Trayvon's mother if she would rather lose her son, or experience sitting on a jury where the law forced her to acquit someone she wanted to find guilty of murder,  I am pretty sure she would pick the jury experience over losing her son.  Juror b29, you are not hurting as much as Trayvon mother.  To say so, is ignorant and offensive.   

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Well, some of us knew it was a lot worse then they have been reporting, but now the cat is out of the bag. 

Radioactive Reality (27 July 2013) "Everybody is freaking out about this!"

07/26/13 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ZkEsJlNpg

07/27/13 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIxA5PDrK38

 

‘Crisis’ at Fukushima plant — Tepco: Extremely radioactive water leaking directly into groundwater and going into ocean!

 

Fukushima trench water crisis returns

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday that the trench problem at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant has cropped up again and is sending highly radioactive water into the sea. [...]

[The water] contains 2.35 billion becquerels of cesium per liter [...]

The trench is believed to be the source of the groundwater problem that’s been baffling Tepco’s experts for months. Their current theory is that the highly radioactive water found and left in the trench in 2011 is now leaking directly into the groundwater, which is seeping into the sea. [...]

The utility hopes to halt the problem by building a wall out of liquid glass between the reactors and the sea and removing the contaminated water from the underground passage.

 

WSJ: Extreme contamination found at Fukushima plant — Cesium over 2 billion Bq/liter; Millions of times above limit — Tepco ‘trying’ to stop it leaking into ocean — ‘Probably’ from melted reactor core.

 

Extremely high concentrations of radiation have been detected in water from near one of the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, [Tepco] said Saturday. [...]

The radiation is millions of times higher than Japan’s acceptable limit under normal circumstances.

Radiation of 750 million becquerels a liter of cesium-134 and 1.6 billion becquerels a liter of cesium-137 was recorded, Tepco said. [...] In April 2011 a combined 1.8 billion becquerels was recorded. [...]

The sample came from a trench near the No. 2 reactor turbine building, the utility said. [...]

Tepco is searching for the water source. It is probably from one of the damaged reactor cores. It is trying to stop the water leaking into the sea, it said. [...]

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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Warbler said:

btw, I failed to see any photo  of the police chief on that page.

You'd have to watch the video.

 

Warbler said:

btw, when I on that page looking at the story of the cop,  I saw this:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/27/juror-b29-was-framed-sort-of/

I then watched the ABC interview.   She does seem to believe that morally George Zimmerman got away with murder, but that the law would not allow her to convict him. 

"Murder" can't be an abstraction. As she said, she didn't believe the intention was there. The only reason the law got in the way was the fact that it rightly provides for self defense and that the burden of proof is on the prosecutor. Even Trayvon's friend has said in an interview she thinks Trayvon threw the first punch (not that that makes it truth obviously). The juror believes Zimmerman is morally culpable for Trayvon's death (and even Zimmerman should recognize that to some extent).

One thing she said really bothered me, she is is hurting as much as Trayvon's mother. 

That stuck out for me too. I think overall, she is being too media hungry, saying things that can bring more pain than solace. It's too much about how she is sympathetic, pained, and needing to be understood. I respect that as a juror she followed the law despite what her heart may have told her about Zimmerman's moral culpability.

Here is case with certain similarities to the Zimmerman case that didn't grab the media's attention. As for Obama saying he could have been Trayvon, I am reminded of so many people Obama actually was whom his Justice Department aggressively prosecutes. But that's political, so any response might have to migrate to that thread.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

btw, I failed to see any photo  of the police chief on that page.

You'd have to watch the video.

 

Warbler said:

btw, when I on that page looking at the story of the cop,  I saw this:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/27/juror-b29-was-framed-sort-of/

I then watched the ABC interview.   She does seem to believe that morally George Zimmerman got away with murder, but that the law would not allow her to convict him. 

"Murder" can't be an abstraction. As she said, she didn't believe the intention was there. The only reason the law got in the way was the fact that it rightly provides for self defense and that the burden of proof is on the prosecutor. Even Trayvon's friend has said in an interview she thinks Trayvon threw the first punch (not that that makes it truth obviously). The juror believes Zimmerman is morally culpable for Trayvon's death (and even Zimmerman should recognize that to some extent).

One thing she said really bothered me, she is is hurting as much as Trayvon's mother. 

That stuck out for me too. I think overall, she is being too media hungry, saying things that can bring more pain than solace. It's too much about how she is sympathetic, pained, and needing to be understood. I respect that as a juror she followed the law despite what her heart may have told her about Zimmerman's moral culpability.

Here is case with certain similarities to the Zimmerman case

if Scott were white, and the teen was black, this would have been national news and there would have been accusations of racism all over the place. 

Mrebo said:

 I am reminded of so many people Obama actually was whom his Justice Department aggressively prosecutes. But that's political, so any response might have to migrate to that thread.

I think the article writer needs to remember that while not illegal under California law,  marijuana is still illegal under federal law.   Unless you want to argue that the federal law in question is unconstitutional,  Obama has every right to enforce it.   The people whose lives have been ruined according to article, violated federal law(unless it successfully argued in the Supreme Court that the federal law in question is unconstitutional).   Last time I looked, the people of California are not above federal law(the federal laws that are Constitutional).   

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Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

btw, I failed to see any photo  of the police chief on that page.

You'd have to watch the video.

 

Warbler said:

btw, when I on that page looking at the story of the cop,  I saw this:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/27/juror-b29-was-framed-sort-of/

I then watched the ABC interview.   She does seem to believe that morally George Zimmerman got away with murder, but that the law would not allow her to convict him. 

"Murder" can't be an abstraction.

an abstraction?  please explain?

Mrebo said:

As she said, she didn't believe the intention was there.

true, but she said "George Zimmerman got away with murder. But you can't get away for God, and at the end of the day he is going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with"    that certainly makes it look like the juror thinks he did something wrong that night.

Mrebo said:

The juror believes Zimmerman is morally culpable for Trayvon's death (and even Zimmerman should recognize that to some extent).

that is exactly what I said " She does seem to believe that morally George Zimmerman got away with murder"

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Mrebo said:

As you may have heard, the city of Detroit is bankrupt. They're considering selling off their art collections. Unions are demanding they get their pensions. Here are impressive photos of abandoned buildings in Detroit.

The 2nd Cleveland Tourism video seems even more appropriate now.

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Mrebo said:

As she said, she didn't believe the intention was there.

true, but she said "George Zimmerman got away with murder.

Aha, but that was the point of the article...she was repeating those words of the "journalist" as if thinking them over (watch videos!), but based on her own words following that, it does not seem she accepted that notion. She believes Zimmerman is morally culpable for taking a life. But she also accepted Zimmerman didn't act with a murderous intent.

Mrebo said:

The juror believes Zimmerman is morally culpable for Trayvon's death (and even Zimmerman should recognize that to some extent).

that is exactly what I said " She does seem to believe that morally George Zimmerman got away with murder"

But the word "murder" came from the journalist, and the juror was simply repeating that exact phrase, quite clearly considering its merit, but not endorsing it.

Which brings us back to Do:

Warbler said:

"Murder" can't be an abstraction.

an abstraction?  please explain?

I mean it has an actual legal definition. And it lines up really really well with our moral definition. Yet taking a life should have moral weight even where clearly not murder. I agree with the juror that Trayvon's death was needless, that Zimmerman could have avoided the whole situation, but nothing in that makes Zimmerman a murderer. And the juror did not claim Zimmerman got away with murder. That was the journalist. The whole point of the article was that the media was distorting the words of a non-media savvy person, presenting a repetition of a question as if they were her own words.

The blue elephant in the room.

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TV's Frink said:

Mrebo said:

As you may have heard, the city of Detroit is bankrupt. They're considering selling off their art collections. Unions are demanding they get their pensions. Here are impressive photos of abandoned buildings in Detroit.

The 2nd Cleveland Tourism video seems even more appropriate now.

lol, terrible.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

Mrebo said:

As she said, she didn't believe the intention was there.

true, but she said "George Zimmerman got away with murder.

Aha, but that was the point of the article...she was repeating those words of the "journalist" as if thinking them over (watch videos!), but based on her own words following that, it does not seem she accepted that notion.

I am not so sure of that.   Look at what she said right afterwards: "But you can't get away for God, and at the end of the day he is going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with"

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Mrebo said:

The juror believes Zimmerman is morally culpable for Trayvon's death (and even Zimmerman should recognize that to some extent).

that is exactly what I said " She does seem to believe that morally George Zimmerman got away with murder"

But the word "murder" came from the journalist, and the juror was simply repeating that exact phrase, quite clearly considering its merit, but not endorsing it.

I am not as certain as you seem to be that she was just simply repeating the words.   I think she was agreeing with them, to some extent.   That is backed up by the fact that right after saying the words, she said "but you can't get away from God".  

 

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

But the word "murder" came from the journalist, and the juror was simply repeating that exact phrase, quite clearly considering its merit, but not endorsing it.

I am not as certain as you seem to be that she was just simply repeating the words.   I think she was agreeing with them, to some extent.   That is backed up by the fact that right after saying the words, she said "but you can't get away from God".  

But if that was what she truly believed, I don't she why she would have hesitated as she did and even appear to start to object ("that -"). Based on how she repeated the words and her body language, I take her words "but you can't get away from God" as her response to those who say he "got away with murder." I mean...she was responding to a question about those who say that.

It is literally putting words in her mouth to attribute the "murder" claim to her. Again, she appears to be saying Zimmerman could have avoided the situation and that he has moral culpability for that. But "murder" is something different than that (which she recognizes). Based on the totality of her statements, the nature of the question, and how she responded to it, I think it is wrong to insist she believes it.

The blue elephant in the room.

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We are reading her intent completely differently.   I am not getting the same interpretation that you are getting from her statements.   I think it would be pointless to continue debating what she meant. 

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Agreed, though I maintain it is unfair to put words in her mouth.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

We are reading her intent completely differently.   I am not getting the same interpretation that you are getting from her statements.   I think it would be pointless to continue debating what she meant. 

Warb, I think if you came to this conclusion a lot quicker in your discussions here, you'd be much happier.

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TV's Frink said:

???

I'm completely serious.

sorry,  you are probably right but what you say is hard for me to do.   I guess that depresses me a little bit, hence the "*sigh*".

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*cheers at Warbler*

The blue elephant in the room.