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Since it appears this thread has become about the quality of the blu-ray artwork (solid first post Anchorhead) this is the artist who created it*:

Cliff Cramp

Maybe, if one was so inclined, someone could contact him and ask if he was given instructions on where to place certain characters both OT and PT in the collage or it was simply random.

*The new artwork, not the stuff featured in the Star Wars Visions collection.

"Well here's a big bag of rock salt" - Patton Oswalt

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TV's Frink said:

Vader was in the prequels.

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*smacks self in head*

For all of five minutes in the last movie, if that much. Plastering Vader all over the advertising was a bit a of rip off. ;)

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Where were you in '77?

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Not having someone who actually doesn't look (and act) goofy in that costume was an even bigger ripoff.

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hairy_hen said:

TV's Frink said:

Vader was in the prequels.

He certainly was not.

Well he was in ROTS as stated above...and technically he was in all three movies, unless you subscribe to the vaderisnothaydenorlloyd theory...

 

*smack*

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Anchorhead is right.

When people talk about the Star Wars saga as a whole and include a picture, chances are they won't be using this:

Or this:

Or this:

(have you ever noticed how TERRIBLE his fingers look?)

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Absolutely. If there was to be one utterly iconic character from SW I suppose it would have to be Vader.

The design team on the prequels, while very talented artists in their own right, ultimately suffered from Lucas' input far too much. The only character that comes even close to being 'iconic' from the prequels is Darth Maul, and Lucas wasted him.

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see you auntie said:

Since it appears this thread has become about the quality of the blu-ray artwork (solid first post Anchorhead) this is the artist who created it*:

Cliff Cramp

Maybe, if one was so inclined, someone could contact him and ask if he was given instructions on where to place certain characters both OT and PT in the collage or it was simply random.

*The new artwork, not the stuff featured in the Star Wars Visions collection.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him get some Red Tails work for the home video packaging.

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I checked out the link to his site and the guy is incredibly inconsistent. Some of his stuff looks fantastic. And then there's the likes of the BluRay cover...

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I'll agree with Anchorhead about Lucas' (futile) attempts to steer the impact. But to some degree I think he has been successful in the short term. 

In the late 90s, the whole "vision" of the saga started being pushed, with the emphasis on the path of the hero, redemption, Joseph Campbell, etc. People bought into it, and it made us have hopes that the prequels would be better. The hype may have been why so many of us initially had trouble seeing the problems with the prequels.

Lately, I do feel like there's been a cultural shift in the other direction. Time is not being kind to the prequels and the vision of the saga, as opposed to the OT which only gets better with age. In the end, I think it'll all shake out, and Lucas' attempts to steer the cultural impact won't count for much.

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About the cover art, it irritates the heck out of me that Luke is not wearing his boots. It just looks like some random blond dude in khakis. Am I the only one bothered by this?

Also, with Luke being a ghost going in the other direction: The cover clearly tells us that the OT is dead and the PT/Saga is coming straight down our throats.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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In the end people remember good movies. Bad movies fade away.

That's why people always talk about the Golden Days of Hollywood. People remember "Casablanca" not "Shhh Beware the Octopus!"

People still look at Bela Lugosi's Dracula as the icon. Some film enthusiasts recall the lesser later movies in the Universal Monster series. Star Wars will be much the same way.

 They could package the blu-ray of Dracula with a picture of Abbot and Costello on the front, but in the end people will remember Lugosi.

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TheBoost said:

In the end people remember good movies. Bad movies fade away.

That's why people always talk about the Golden Days of Hollywood. People remember "Casablanca" not "Shhh Beware the Octopus!"

People still look at Bela Lugosi's Dracula as the icon. Some film enthusiasts recall the lesser later movies in the Universal Monster series. Star Wars will be much the same way.

 They could package the blu-ray of Dracula with a picture of Abbot and Costello on the front, but in the end people will remember Lugosi.

 

that can true in most cases. 

but Star Wars has always been an exception to every rule and im afraid the PT will also be an exception. It had too much exposure - so its harder to fade away. 

and actually, its not really an exception - Im a big fan of the original Halloween. Before the sequels and the whole michael myers/laurie strode and the remakes (which I didn't see but people whose opinion i trust say they are horrible), this was a classic like Carrie, shining, psycho etc.  It was even a Criterion Laserdisc, LOL !!!!!!!! (and maybe that was a little too much)  But now, its regarded as just another slasher movie like F13 or NOES...and that sucks.

Rocky was a beloved classic, but now people makes jokes because of the bad sequels.

The original Jaws seems to have come away unscathed.

click here if lack of OOT got you down

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I think Rocky and Halloween are still plenty beloved and respected. At least as much as they can be with the time that's gone by (and the current extra-douchey attitudes about old styles of filmmaking that the special editions have helped cultivate as far as I'm concerned). That's what's so unfortunate about STAR WARS. The original movie might have been the closest a movie will ever come to being semi-universally liked. (seriously, the appeal was freakishly broad when you think about it).