I watched the sample and it certainly seems right to me. You might want to specify in the title "american theatrical version" it's my understanding (people correct me on this) that other countries always had the blu-ray ending with the princess.
Baronlando said:
I watched the sample and it certainly seems right to me. You might want to specify in the title "american theatrical version" it's my understanding (people correct me on this) that other countries always had the blu-ray ending with the princess.
Not to mention, I think in the UK, not sure, wasn't some of the Horse tripping scenes trimmed?
The hardest part now is to try and color match the sources, I would like to make the whole thing look more like the theatrical scenes but it might be a lot easier to change those few scenes to match the Blu-ray, hell I just don't know, at least I know it will work, video wise that is, but I am not going to start work on the audio options until I know that the color match will be successful, I plan on having my already edited DTS-HD MA 5.1, and my DTS-HD MA 2.0 custom made Isolated Score, and the LPCM from the Theatrical LaserDisc.
*updated info in post #37*
dj,
It's pretty straightforward - basically it's just which part of the image the color balance adjustment will affect - i.e. the dark bits, most of the image, or the very bright bits.
You may find it easier to work with the RGB curves - set the view to 'RGB Parade' - and then flip backwards and forwards between the two things you are trying to match - start off by getting the bottom of the of R,G and B in the same place in both shots (only adjust one of them) - then adjust so that the tops of the graph match. Once you've done that you should be pretty close.
Use the 'master' curve to add or remove contrast by making the middle curve up or down.
Goodluck.
DisgruntledFan said:
dj,
It's pretty straightforward - basically it's just which part of the image the color balance adjustment will affect - i.e. the dark bits, most of the image, or the very bright bits.
You may find it easier to work with the RGB curves - set the view to 'RGB Parade' - and then flip backwards and forwards between the two things you are trying to match - start off by getting the bottom of the of R,G and B in the same place in both shots (only adjust one of them) - then adjust so that the tops of the graph match. Once you've done that you should be pretty close.
Use the 'master' curve to add or remove contrast by making the middle curve up or down.
Goodluck.
This is for After Effects right? if so do you have an example possibly? I need to make the top image of this post look like the bottom image, here is the post,
Thanks, it would be nice to get the video 100% done before my Digital PCM audio gets here.
Okay - I just discovered after effects doesn't have RGB waterfalls (but Premier does - how odd). Doing it using the curves adjusted by eye.
Red curve was pretty flat.
Possibly needs a touch more red in the shadows - but hopefully you get the idea.
Looks good, but I still prefer the Netflix theatrical timing to the Blu. Is there any way you could also try a curve to match the BD to the theatrical instead of vice-versa? DJ has said before that he'd really like to be able to match the Blu-ray to the theatrical - is that still your opinion, DJ?
Dunno if it's any real evidence, but the timing in the original trailers is closer to the top images than the bottom.
Thanks DigruntledFan, but I have AE not Premier, and I did want to go the other way and make the BD the same as the Netflix HD, but I do not want to process the whole BD video, and what if the settings make other scenes wrong, so to get this done and start on the LD Digital PCM audio sync job I wanted to get the video done as fast as I can, and for me, I still like how the BD looks to, I want to finish this up so I can finish up the SW BD Set.
Harmy gave me some settings a while back that I have been messing with, but still not happy, so that is why I am posting for help, color matching is just not my thing, LOL I am still trying to figure out the whole shadow\midtone\hilight thing, like do you do midtones first then adjust the others , or is there a different method, just too damn confusing.
Thanks for the help though, I just do not have that software.
dark_jedi said:
Thanks DigruntledFan, but I have AE not Premier, and I did want to go the other way and make the BD the same as the Netflix HD, but I do not want to process the whole BD video, and what if the settings make other scenes wrong, so to get this done and start on the LD Digital PCM audio sync job I wanted to get the video done as fast as I can, and for me, I still like how the BD looks to, I want to finish this up so I can finish up the SW BD Set.
Understood, the BD does look good, I have the same opinion of it as Star Trek II, the timing may not be accurate to the original timing from '82, but it looks fine in its own right, it's not a mess like a certain trilogy...
Damn, now I really have to get this video done, I just received the ripped Digital PCM from the Conan LD in the mail today(HUGE Thanks to The Lizard King @ blu-ray.com!) and DAMN does it sound good! so now I need to hurry and finish this so I can watch and listen to all this on my Home Theater Setup LOL.
I know its a lot of work, but my vote is for bringing the color back to the Theatrical version. Just look at those beautiful colors! You can tell the theatrical version is what was originally intended, as it looks more like a Frazetta painting than the steely blues of the BR version.
Keep up the good work!
OK if there is anyone left still following this, I finally have some news and updates to share on this, first it is finally done! I have burned a test BD this afternoon and am going to watch it just as soon as I get done filling everyone in here, but before I go on, I have to Thank a very Special member right here at OT for spending a lot of time on this with me, if it was not for him this would not be ready yet, and surely would not look as good as it does,
so You_Too(We are on a first name basis now but because this is an open forum I will use his nick name) you are the MAN! you truly know this coloring stuff hands down, I knew when you agreed to help me with this it was going to look fantastic, but I had no idea it would turn out THIS fantastic! you are a great person, and your help couldn't have been any easier to understand, your instructions and files and tips and tricks are second to none, very, very easy to understand and use, you are truly an asset here at OT, and I hope that if I ever need any kind of help like this again, you are still available here at OT, so a HUGE Thank you to you my Friend, great job!
I also want to Thank The Lizard King for the Conan The Barbarian LD ripped bit-perfect PCM, Imrahil for the kick ass cover, and Netflix HD for the much needed Theatrical footage.
Here are the specs for this now, they have changed from my initial thoughts, first, I had to ditch the DTS-HD MA 5.1, there are just to many differences between the US Theatrical ending and the Extended, and I had no good sources to draw from, MrBrown provided the German 5.1 DD English tracks but these were just horrible upmixes, I could have done a better job upmixing LOL, but I still Thank him for helping in any way he could, so no HD 5.1 main audio on this one, there was just no way to make it blend right, hell a lot of people I told this to was actually glad I ditched it, I guess most do not like it anyways, so here is what the audio options will be(selectable by your remote)
1. LPCM 2.0 (Original Theatrical) *sourced from the Theatrical Laserdisc by TLK.
2. DTS-HD MA 2.0 (Isolated 1982 Original Score) *sourced from the rare OOP Varese Sarabande 16 track CD.
3. DTS-HD MA 2.0 (Isolated 2010 Re-recorded Score) *sourced from the new 2 Disc CD Set which is complete score.
a note on the Iso Scores though, obviously these are not 100% accurate, there is just no way to be 100%, some tracks run faster, some slower, and some have more music, but I lined them up the best I could, and on the 1982 score I realized that the last 2 tracks were meant for the extended version of the film, because these tracks did not fit at all, so instead of editing the tracks, which probably would have sounded bad LOL, I just let 1 of them run and omitted the last one altogether, and you will hear that the re-recorded 2010 score is just a little different, but still sounds really cool, I added this one just for fun, I have read that this is actually how Basil Poledouris actually wanted this score to sound, he was unhappy with the Conan Score, it lacked instruments and such, he wanted more people and instruments, but anyways, I hope you like the tracks, I know I do.
The video is 1080p with 19.5 avg Mpbs, with the audio options already mentioned above, and the BD weighs in at 23.1 GB's
1 more thing on the job You_Too and I did on this, not only is there no difference in the color between the sources, we even went as far as to add grain to the Theatrical source to match the BD source, and it even fades in and out just like the BD, it is truly amazing, I just can't say enough about how good this looks.
Here is a sample of the Theatrical ending, it is low bitrate 720p video, it has DD 2.0 audio, but this audio was sourced form the lossless LPCM I am using, so what you see and hear, is what you get, I hope you like it.
http://vimeo.com/33741048
and here is the new updated cover to match the new specs, Thanks again to Imrahil,
Thank YOU for all the hard work! I look forward to seeing the final product.
Thank you so much dark_jedi, what you said means a lot.
Now it's going to be very interesting to hear what everyone else thinks about it!
http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4297
... Maybe wait for you 2nd isolated score then.
XyZ said:
http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4297
... Maybe wait for you 2nd isolated score then.
It would be a third, not a second, and I have been reading about this for a while now and have seen no mention of when it is coming out, or if it truly is, so for right now, I am taking this a BS until I see real proof, but I certainly hope it is true.
Don't worry, that's official. Or they would really mess with their own label's site, what I don't believe. Just no release date yet.
Btw, if it's good as expected it could easily replace your first isolated score. True the releases are most enjoyable but the sound quality is a bit dated.
Anyway, good luck with it !
So, unbelievably excited about this reconstruction! Especially the color correction.
Kudos to Netflix for streaming the theatrical in HD but who knows how long that will be available. Finding the theatrical on oop DVD was even a chore. And as best I can tell, it is from the same master as my old LD.
bcarter27 said:
So, unbelievably excited about this reconstruction! Especially the color correction.
Kudos to Netflix for streaming the theatrical in HD but who knows how long that will be available. Finding the theatrical on oop DVD was even a chore. And as best I can tell, it is from the same master as my old LD.
Well not sure if you are aware or not, but it was corrected to match the retail Blu-ray, it would have been way to much work to do it the other way around, while working with You_Too on this we had a hell of a time just doing what we did, it ended up being a lot more work than either of us thought, and I am thankful as hell that he stuck it out with me until the end, it really did pay off and looks great!
The OOP DVD is also letterboxed, it isn't even anamorphic, but who needs the old DVD now when we have this, and yes, if it wasn't for Netflix HD streaming the HD version of the Theatrical Cut this project would have never been.
The blu-ray color looks nice too. Your hard work will definitely not go unnoticed!
I'm listening to the Prague re-recording now and it's going to be fun seeing it alongside picture.
Conan is less of a movie and more of a blueprint for living according to John Milius. :-)
bcarter27 said:
The blu-ray color looks nice too. Your hard work will definitely not go unnoticed!
I'm listening to the Prague re-recording now and it's going to be fun seeing it alongside picture.
Conan is less of a movie and more of a blueprint for living according to John Milius. :-)
LOL, I just watched the Blu-ray yesterday with the new 2010 Score, and damn does it sound nice.
dark_jedi said:
The OOP DVD is also letterboxed, it isn't even anamorphic, but who needs the old DVD now when we have this, and yes, if it wasn't for Netflix HD streaming the HD version of the Theatrical Cut this project would have never been.
Rutracker seems to have another HD broadcast of the theatrical but it's zoomed in to 16:9, so it's great that netflix had the anamorphic original. I'm not 100% sure it's the theatrical on rutracker but the runtime listed is shorter than the blu-ray.
dark_jedi. Is there any chance this can be converted to a < 8gb AVCHD which I could be burned onto a dual layer DVD?
The suspense is killing me. When will this be released? I keep searching at spleen :P
Thanks for all the interest, I may do a BD9 version but there are 3 audio options on this, do I leave them all for the BD9 or just the main and ditch the Iso Scores? also I have no artwork for a BD9 version, you would have to modify the Blu-ray cover I guess.
also now I want to let you guys know the bad news, I have just lost my motherboard on my powerful work horse PC, so at this time ALL projects are on hold indefinitely, obviously I can't access any of those drives, my BD burner, programs, scripts, anything, and although my laptop is pretty powerful as well, it is not that powerful.
So that is it folks, once all is good again I will post details, so thanks and take care.