Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes — Page 49

I've solved this mystery. It isn't a different take. It starts off exactly the same as the original, but the background is a different comp. But the whole landspeeder, including R2 & 3P0 is a still frame image, only Luke and Ben remain animated from the original and then when Luke turns his head to the front they freeze that frame. His hair stops moving and the whole angle of the speeder remains flat throughout.

Wow. I'll have to check that out, that sounds awesome.

none said:

I don't think it is a different take.  It is noted in the 005 guide that some of the landspeeder shots the timing was changed.  Best to use one of the Split versions to see the effect over time, it is generally two to three frames where the landspeeder from the original ends up +3 or -3 frames in the 1997 or 2004.

Yeah, I think you're right. It looks like they indeed used the same footage but it is so heavily manipulated that you can never get them to match up even if you went a few frames backwards and forwards to get their timing right. In the SE the speeder is at the same angle throughout the shot, R2 is in a different position and so on. It just looks like a huge copy and paste job to save time.

none said:

The backgrounds were often stretched vertically as that made the lifting of the speeder easier to recomp.

That is only if the speeder was a composite in the first place. Not only did they stretch the background but they copied the topmost part of the foreground in order to lift the speeder, you can see the clone stamp result all over the place. Something they wouldn't need to do if the foreground and speeder was composite elements.

Also, if comparing them, try to look at something else than the bonus DVD as the DVNR on it is disastrous on shots like these.

EDIT: nevermind, adywan beat me to it. ;)

Just when you thought the SE couldn't get weirder.

The starfield is what the WookieeGroomer shows when there's no matching footage. I might go through and put some text there.

What's interesting about this shot is, that it wasn't recomposited, when you superimpose the SE with the original, they are perfectly aligned (except of course for the window, which was changed) and the SE shot also shows signs of optical compositing.

I also wonder how they originally created the effect - I would have expected a still image to have been painted in the widow but the characters are actually moving.

Harmy said:

I also wonder how they originally created the effect - I would have expected a still image to have been painted in the widow but the characters are actually moving.

Some kind of projection technique, perhaps? I remember hearing that some kind of projection technique was used for the "train on Mars" shot in Total Recall (1990).

AntcuFaalb said:

Harmy said:

I also wonder how they originally created the effect - I would have expected a still image to have been painted in the widow but the characters are actually moving.

Some kind of projection technique, perhaps? I remember hearing that some kind of projection technique was used for the "train on Mars" shot in Total Recall (1990).

From here: http://www.maxim.com/movies/19-things-you-didn-t-know-about-total-recall

While Douglas Quaid (Schwarzenegger) is riding the train on Mars there’s a moment when it pans away and you see him looking out the window. Since the whole set was a miniature, and CGI wasn’t the norm, the effects wizards projected the image of him on a tiny screen that doubled as a window.

Rear projection? That's how the travel pod shot in Star Trek TMP was achieved.

That's what I thought, it was only that in this shot, it seems it would be more complicated than in those other cases.

doubleofive said:

So this change:



1997 or 2004? I just noticed I don't have it labelled.

I hate this change. I hate the cloudy sky.

Often cloudy, but temperature never gets low enough for rain?

DarthShackleford said:

SilverWook said:

Rear projection? That's how the travel pod shot in Star Trek TMP was achieved.

 That's also how Kubrick pulled off the Apollo shots.

 lol

Oh, yeah, that definitely is how they did it in that ESB shot, I recently noticed they actually talk about it in one of the commentaries.

I've just noticed a frame of lightsaber blade is missing from the original ESB!

Was this ever fixed?

(It wouldn't let me post the picture so here's the link:

https://plus.google.com/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/6044645069501365185/6044646111961669794?pid=6044646111961669794&oid=109609428403596349302

In this shot there is a mark on the floor near leia's feet, and in the SE it is removed. This image is from Harmy's picture comparison for Empire

I'll check that out, but I'm thinking that's a spot/dirt on the frame.

moviefreakedmind said:

(It wouldn't let me post the picture so here's the link:

https://plus.google.com/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/6044645069501365185/6044646111961669794?pid=6044646111961669794&oid=109609428403596349302

In this shot there is a mark on the floor near leia's feet, and in the SE it is removed. This image is from Harmy's picture comparison for Empire