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I've just made an interesting discovery:

 

Apparently, Vader's face and body were brightened separately from the rest of the picture in 2004 - it is much more obvious in movement (that's why I even noticed it), because the animation of the mask and the handling of the levels are a bit sloppy (surprise surprise ;-). )

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Every time I think I've been astonished by some of the changes, new ones pop up.

GL: "Vader's face is too dark in this shot."

ILM: "But we were just about to fix lightsaber colors..."

GL: "This is more important. It's too dark, I want you to lighten it."

ILM: "We just finished crushing all the blacks that you insisted on..."

GL: "Just do it!"

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I was just going to ask if you were going to.

Looks like an actual creative decision that was made in 2004, but not in 1977 through 1997. Undo it.

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Not knowing where this scene was, thought it during the DS attack, there's two scenes also taking place in a hallway.  Those two shots don't appear to have this type of change applied to them.  Nice catch.

Harmy wrote: because the animation of the mask and the handling of the levels

What aspect of the levels makes this apparent?  Wondering if another setting change applied to the whole movie might bring out more of these type of revisions.  The DIF sorta hit a dead end, until a program can auto resize to solve the scaling variations.

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It's really that the blacks aren't quite black in the brightened area but rather a hazy dark blue -in movement it sort of looks like he has a blue tinted spotlight aimed at his face.

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The fake GL/ILM conversation reminds me of how they brightened the Han/Leia corridor scene in ESB. I always loved how that scene was shrouded in moody shadows, but in '04 it looks like the cooridor is lined with floodlights. It feels like someone decided that we needed to be able to see Han and Leia's faces clearly, mood and atmosphere be damned.

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^^Totally agree, the way those corridor scenes in the original Empire looked was beautiful.

It's quite amazing or should I say depressing that alterations are still found, the GOUT pic Harmy posted is another one of those green-turned-pink-flaws in the THX transfer, see Vader's belt.

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msycamore said:

^^Totally agree, the way those corridor scenes in the original Empire looked was beautiful.

It's quite amazing or should I say depressing that alterations are still found, the GOUT pic Harmy posted is another one of those green-turned-pink-flaws in the THX transfer, see Vader's belt.

I'm really not sure if those green-to-pink things were really alterations, so much as side effects of some of the color level futzing that was done for that transfer. I can see a little desaturated vestige of green in them in the GOUT.

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TServo2049 said:

I'm really not sure if those green-to-pink things were really alterations...

No, of course not, it was just something I wanted to point out.

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And I thought I was fussy about any works I create. The amount of tinkering and tweaking and alteration of these movies is mind-boggling.

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via danny_boy in: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Theory-on-the-1997-restoration/post/549347/#TopicPost549347

Talking about the SW SE from a Wall Street Journal article:

Eventually 748 of the 2,228 shots in the movie were redone in the course of creating a new negative

33.57%  Which means were missing quite a few.  (my count is a little higher then zombie's spreadsheet but is shot specific and i'm at 251 visual, don't know if the 748 number also includes audio changes) [and i'm missing two shots somewhere... my count is currently 2,226 for original 77 SW]

But in the same article they talk about:

Other pieces weren't even original negative, but intentionally degraded duplicates that Mr. Lucas had stuck in to avoid emphasizing the quality of adjacent optical effects, some of which were so crude as to be almost unacceptable.

So that could mean anywhere there is a shot similar to a SFX shot, the shot before and after could be up for SE Change consideration.  [I can open up a copy of the spreadsheet if anyone wants to go thru and make a guestimate.]

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Wow, that's a huge number! But then the article is a little vague about what redone means. Because sometimes they may only be referring to replacing part that were damaged beyond repair from other legitimate sources (IP, IN).

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I found ( and undid ;-D ) more changes to this shot:

 

1) The temples were recomposited (they have separate gate weave visible even in the GOUT which is gone in the SE). - (EDIT: This was proved to be false)

2) A slight pan-down was added at the beginning of the shot.

3) The whole shot was re-framed to show more on the left side and less on the right.

4) For some reason, there's a thin stripe of static mask visible at the bottom of the frame in the SE.

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Well, I noticed the reframing and as I set out to undo it, I noticed the other changes :-)

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Harmy said:

 

The temples were recomposited (they have separate gate weave visible even in the GOUT which is gone in the SE).

 

Those temples weren't a composite, they were filmed on location in Tikal, Guatemala:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikal

The GOUT transfer have that shaking going on even on elements in the frame that were not opticals.

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Well, it's not that weird you thought it was a composite, when the jitter is that bad, there is many places in the GOUT where elements in the frame shaking completely independent of each other, g-force superb stabilizing script couldn't fix those though, that transfer really is the source of all evil. ;)

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msycamore said:

Well, it's not that weird you thought it was a composite, when the jitter is that bad, there is many places in the GOUT where elements in the frame shaking completely independent of each other, g-force superb stabilizing script couldn't fix those though, that transfer really is the source of all evil. ;)

 Agreed. Gate Weave + film warp + motion-vector based video compression = pure evil.

-G

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Just wanted to point it out as I noticed that some of these are still not labeled or incorrectly marked, these are all 2004 alterations:

And these are 1997 alterations:

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Why don't you comment on the pictures that should be fiexed, and I'll fixe them and delete the comments?

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Oh sorry, many of those I pointed out doesn't have any descriptions and I can't see any reason to delete/correct those that do have, other than the year of change, and as all are under the same category - digital re-compositing, I didn't think it was necessary.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com