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Colony Collapse - Why are the bees dying and what is the impact? — Page 2
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Originally posted by: ferris209
It WILL happen unfortunately. Electromagnetic Pulse Bombs are already a fact and, if set off, could render all electronics useless, very scary thought. Imagine being at work when suddenly you hear an explosion and then everything goes out, no lights, no computer, no phones, no modern cars, no nothing. It would make getting home a whole new adventure and you'd be trying to the get there wondering the whole time if your family is okay, because they couldn't tell you except by letter. Very scary to me.
Originally posted by: C3PX
America. Let's say there is a nuclear attack, which is all to likely these days, even if the actual location of the hit is small there are ways they could potentially knock out electricity across the continent. If that happened, it could cause all sorts of grief for us. Mass panic, nuclear powerplants melting down, followed by a fun adventures with fallout. It could potentially be the sheer definition of terror with very few people actually dying from the bomb blast itself, and multiples of that amount dying in the following days, weeks, months, and even years. Of course we cannot say exactly what would happen in that event, but what I described is a small part of the general theory.
Also who knows what other events the future may bring us? Who could have foreseen this bee thing? I suppose there are other things that could render us without electricity.
America. Let's say there is a nuclear attack, which is all to likely these days, even if the actual location of the hit is small there are ways they could potentially knock out electricity across the continent. If that happened, it could cause all sorts of grief for us. Mass panic, nuclear powerplants melting down, followed by a fun adventures with fallout. It could potentially be the sheer definition of terror with very few people actually dying from the bomb blast itself, and multiples of that amount dying in the following days, weeks, months, and even years. Of course we cannot say exactly what would happen in that event, but what I described is a small part of the general theory.
Also who knows what other events the future may bring us? Who could have foreseen this bee thing? I suppose there are other things that could render us without electricity.
It WILL happen unfortunately. Electromagnetic Pulse Bombs are already a fact and, if set off, could render all electronics useless, very scary thought. Imagine being at work when suddenly you hear an explosion and then everything goes out, no lights, no computer, no phones, no modern cars, no nothing. It would make getting home a whole new adventure and you'd be trying to the get there wondering the whole time if your family is okay, because they couldn't tell you except by letter. Very scary to me.
The electricity grid is sectional and has redundancies. An EMP bomb in one place isn't going to take out electricity over a giant area. Maybe a few square miles at most. Yes, it would blow out everything in the immediate area, but I don't think the grid would be down for more than a few days.
Also, you don't have to hear an explosion. An EMP bomb doesn't need to make sound, it just needs to emit a strong energy blast. Of course, if one did go off, I imagine it would be incredibly easy to find the epicenter and apprehend the individuals involved. It's not like everything would get destroyed, electronics just wouldn't work until the lines are repaired.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
I was talking about a Nuclear detonation in the atmosphere causing an EMP. That would knock out a lot more than a few square miles.
I was talking about a Nuclear detonation in the atmosphere causing an EMP. That would knock out a lot more than a few square miles.
Actually, it may not knock out anything at all. Watch "Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie". They show several atmospheric bomb tests and all that happens is the lights dim and the radio gets crackly. I don't know the size of the bombs that were detonated, but they were close enough for the soldiers to see the blast and for the EMP to cause that. A big one may be able to knock out a lot of power, but you'll have a lot more to worry about than EMP if there's a nuclear detonation in the atmosphere. You'll be dealing with fallout and a massive loss of life as well.
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I know the scenarios quite well. The initial loss of life really wont be all that much compared to what would be to come. Depending on the distance from the detonation, the fallout wont be an immediate problem either (at least for a few hours), their will be plenty of time to take shelter, though unfortunately there are no shelters unless you are a member of your local nuclear survivors group (they are everywhere, but they try not to make themselves too publically known) or you bothered to construct one yourself. Good news about it is, that when and if this does happen, we wont really be worrying too much about the bees anymore. Not for a while anyway.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
I was talking about a Nuclear detonation in the atmosphere causing an EMP. That would knock out a lot more than a few square miles.
I was talking about a Nuclear detonation in the atmosphere causing an EMP. That would knock out a lot more than a few square miles.
I think when a nuke is dropped the last thing I'm going to worry about is EMP
{{{EDIT: sorry, didn't read your next message}}}But better to be save than sorry so we better turn our houses into Faraday cages
If it realy would be a big threat I think it's not that difficult to shield electrical equipment against EMP.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
"but you'll have a lot more to worry about than EMP if there's a nuclear detonation in the atmosphere. You'll be dealing with fallout and a massive loss of life as well."
I know the scenarios quite well. The initial loss of life really wont be all that much compared to what would be to come. Depending on the distance from the detonation, the fallout wont be an immediate problem either (at least for a few hours), their will be plenty of time to take shelter, though unfortunately there are no shelters unless you are a member of your local nuclear survivors group (they are everywhere, but they try not to make themselves too publically known) or you bothered to construct one yourself. Good news about it is, that when and if this does happen, we wont really be worrying too much about the bees anymore. Not for a while anyway.
Are you kidding? Initial loss of life won't be that much? Detonate a nuke in downtown LA. The initial loss of life will be massive. And if we're talking about a modern bomb, it'll be initial loss of life plus no going near the area for several years and make sure you're not downwind. If we're talking about a dirty bomb, it'll be initial loss plus the radiation spread plus whether or not you're downwind.
I don't think you're giving enough credit to the initial loss of life, the shock and horror of all those dead, and the shock and horror of a nuclear weapon going off on American soil. Look at the outrage that was caused when 24 showed a suitcase nuke going off in Valencia. Now make it a bigger bomb and put in right in the middle of downtown LA. Loss of power is going to be the LEAST of your problems.
Originally posted by: ferris209
My wife is an x-ray tech and we live close to a nuclear power plant, she always says that if it melts down or someone sets a nuclear bomb off, she wants to be right on top of it to be "lucky enough" to go first. She had to study Nuclear Medicine and really has a better understanding than I do, so I trust her as far as that goes.
"but you'll have a lot more to worry about than EMP if there's a nuclear detonation in the atmosphere. You'll be dealing with fallout and a massive loss of life as well."
I know the scenarios quite well. The initial loss of life really wont be all that much compared to what would be to come. Depending on the distance from the detonation, the fallout wont be an immediate problem either (at least for a few hours), their will be plenty of time to take shelter, though unfortunately there are no shelters unless you are a member of your local nuclear survivors group (they are everywhere, but they try not to make themselves too publically known) or you bothered to construct one yourself. Good news about it is, that when and if this does happen, we wont really be worrying too much about the bees anymore. Not for a while anyway.
Are you kidding? Initial loss of life won't be that much? Detonate a nuke in downtown LA. The initial loss of life will be massive. And if we're talking about a modern bomb, it'll be initial loss of life plus no going near the area for several years and make sure you're not downwind. If we're talking about a dirty bomb, it'll be initial loss plus the radiation spread plus whether or not you're downwind.
I don't think you're giving enough credit to the initial loss of life, the shock and horror of all those dead, and the shock and horror of a nuclear weapon going off on American soil. Look at the outrage that was caused when 24 showed a suitcase nuke going off in Valencia. Now make it a bigger bomb and put in right in the middle of downtown LA. Loss of power is going to be the LEAST of your problems.
Originally posted by: ferris209
My wife is an x-ray tech and we live close to a nuclear power plant, she always says that if it melts down or someone sets a nuclear bomb off, she wants to be right on top of it to be "lucky enough" to go first. She had to study Nuclear Medicine and really has a better understanding than I do, so I trust her as far as that goes.
Actually, a modern reactor wouldn't have a lot of problems in a meltdown, mostly because when things start to go wrong, they shut themselves down. It would take a while to bring it back online, but there likely wouldn't be any radiation leakage outside the core due to all the safety mechanisms in place on a modern reactor.
What nuclear power plant do you live near?
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Could this person bee the culprit?
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
What nuclear power plant do you live near?
What nuclear power plant do you live near?
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
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Could this person bee the culprit?
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1845064
Could this person bee the culprit?
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its not cell phones, there has been no dramatic increase in cell phone use between now and last year, or last year and the year before. What ever is wrong with the bees, it has to be something dramatically different between now and last year. this also rules out global warming, thought it maybe contribute in small ways. I personally have no idea what it is, but i think its gonna be a new virus, or disease. its not gonna be genetically modified foods either. GMF have been used for a long time, and doesnt explain a sudden drop in the pop, although you could make the arguement, if it is a new virus/disease, that the new gene in the plants could be from a plant the bees are not used to, that plant, had a virus, that it carried with it, that virus jumped species, and bam, the bees have no natural resistance and get whiped out. knowing what i know about GMFs it is extremely unlikely cause viruses dont follow genes, nor do all GMFs have new genes in the. Often, and this is especially the case in plants that grow faster, they just but a better promoter in the plant, at that gene. if you have any experience in biology you'd know what that means. and how harmless it is.
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