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Cleveland Plain Dealer News Article- 9/19/04

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Stop messing around with our 'Star Wars'
Sunday, September 19, 2004
Right after Luke Sky walker and Obi-Wan Kenobi meet Han Solo, in the cantina scene in the original "Star Wars" movie, Solo is held at gunpoint by a bounty-hunting alien named Greedo. Greedo, who works for gangster Jabba the Hutt, says he's looked forward to killing Solo for a long time.

Solo, played by Harrison Ford, draws his blaster under the table and fires before Greedo can get off a shot. Goodbye, Greedo.

This is close to a pre-emptive strike. It establishes Solo as a dangerous guy who should not be messed with - maybe even a bad guy. It is also important to the movie because, if Solo were killed, he would not be able to rescue Princess Leia, battle the Empire and become a certified good guy.

But filmmaker George Lucas had second thoughts about shooting first and asking questions later.

In the "Special Edition" director's cut of "Star Wars" that was released to theaters and on video in 1997, Lucas digitally altered the scene to have Greedo shoot first, and somehow miss, at point-blank range.

This may seem like a small thing, but it means a lot to "Star Wars" fans. An artist's first instinct is usually the best one. Making Solo's survival a matter of luck and self-defense takes something away from the character, not to mention the atmosphere of danger. It changes the picture, and not for the better.

Now, fans find, Lucas has done it again.

Tuesday, he will release the "Star Wars Trilogy," a much-awaited set that makes "Star Wars," "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" available for the first time on DVD. It's good value, by most accounts, because it also includes a documentary by Ken Burns, featurettes and commentaries.

But fans are buzzing that Lucas again has tinkered with the cantina scene, this time to have Solo ducking awkwardly as he and Greedo fire at the same time.

Also, according to previews, Lucas digitally changes the ghost of Anakin Skywalker seen at the end of "Return of the Jedi." He removes Sebastian Shaw - whose face is seen when Luke removes Darth Vader's coal scuttle mask - and substitutes Hayden Christensen, who plays Anakin in "Attack of the Clones," the fifth "Star Wars" film, and in "Revenge of the Sith," due out in May.

The idea, supposedly, is to show Anakin-turned-Vader reverting to his "true self" of younger days. But that ignores the character's ultimate redemption. And it raises the question of why Lucas doesn't also replace the spirit of Obi-Wan, played by Alec Guinness, with the younger version played by Ewan McGregor.

Not that anyone wants him to. Lucas has made other, smaller changes for the DVD set, altering a few voices and faces. If he touches the cantina scene again, fans are worried he'll have Solo leading a memorial service for Greedo or phoning 9-1-1.

"We understand 'Star Wars' was made in 1977," one fan said. "It was state of the art then. But it's his need to keep tinkering and adding things, just because he can, that bothers us. And what upsets us most is that we don't have a choice - you can't get the original versions anymore unless you bought them before they were taken off the market or taped them off television. He's asking us to un-remember what we remember. It's like revisionist history."

It's like watching "The Godfather" and suddenly seeing Michael Corleone shooting Sollozzo in the restaurant in self-defense. Or seeing Sonny keel over from a heart attack.

Millions loved the original "Star Wars" trilogy. Lucas, tweaking for perfection, ends up diminishing it - and reminding us how technically superior and cinematically inferior the second trilogy has been.

He could tinker with them - maybe getting rid of Jar Jar Binks - but he has said he is ready to move on. He has other movies he wants to make, including a fourth "Indiana Jones" picture.

When it comes to "Star Wars," he ought to remember what Sean Connery says to save Harrison Ford, when Ford grasps madly for the Holy Grail at the end of "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade."

He says, "Let it go."
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Great stuff...

I'm still deciding whether or not to buy the DVDs. It'll only coast me 25 bucks at Best Buy and since this is all we're going to get, I might have to succumb. That bastard.
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Absolutely true. Every word of that article hits the nail right on the head. I hope this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to us OT fans getting our message across...

peace,

Rebelscum
peace,

Rebelscum
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wow great article...
however is still say to those tempted to buy it to hold out...
don't be tempted!!!!!
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Meh it's only 25 bucks. I'll get it just to watch my favorite scenes that haven't been tampered with (save by Lowery). Bit I really want the new game, Battlefront.
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Battlefront im definatly looking forward too...
but we'll see if it ends up getting my money or not...
after all i believe Lucasarts is one of the companies that dont restrict online play in pirated copies of their game.....
they didnt in jedi outcast anyway...

lets just hope....
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Actually, I also want the new trilogy soundtracks as well...

That bastard gets so much money out of me.
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really??
why would you want the new trilogy soundtrack???
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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I am really sick and fucking tired of people asking why Obi-wan is still old while Anakin is not. Because Obi-Wan was good until death. His old self was his last true form. Anakin Skywalker died when he turned into Darth Vader. A force ghost always takes the form of the last true form. Which was when he looked like Hayden.
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But he turned back to the light side when he killed the Emperor didn't he? He was reborn again.
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
But he turned back to the light side when he killed the Emperor didn't he? He was reborn again.


By that logic though his spirit should be bald burned and limbless. A force ghost has to look like they were when they were alive. Anakin never looked like that.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I am really sick and fucking tired of people asking why Obi-wan is still old while Anakin is not.


Gee that's funny because I'm really sick and fucking tired of dimwits making up excuses to defend unnecessary revisionist changes that only serve to hurt the films and diminish their enjoyment by people who don't have their tongues up Lucas's arse.

I guess we have a lot in common then.

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Because Obi-Wan was good until death. His old self was his last true form. Anakin Skywalker died when he turned into Darth Vader. A force ghost always takes the form of the last true form. Which was when he looked like Hayden. ... A force ghost has to look like they were when they were alive.


Blah, blah, blah... Where the Hell is it written?

What's canon is what was originally filmed: Anakin Vader's redemption and return the light side.

Why on Earth wouldn't his limbs and hair join him in the afterlife? Were they still evil?

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God I hate the changes


Brothers and sisters can I get an Amen?
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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AMEN!

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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AMEN, my brother, Amen!


Made for IE Forum's Episode III theme month - May 2005.

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amen


GL is a stupid old bastard, that now makes crappy films. When he's not making crappy films, he putting his 'magic' to work on stuff that should have been left alone in it's own little space in time. The guy is a dickhead who has lost his touch, and he's had the spot filled with extra-ego.
Ya know, he could do what he wanted to the first two PT parts, and maybe 100 people would give a damn. "Hey look! This crappy scene used to go for 2 minutes, now it goes for 4 ! Man, all those extra Gunguns screaming "Midiclorians" really flesh the story out". I think for most of us, he could reshoot them with screenplays and script written by a dumber team of monkey's than wrote the screenplays and scripts used, and they couldn't get much worse. They have added nothing to the story (apart from stormtrooper origin) besides a lot of idiotic questions, and now they are having their dumb crap rubbed into the OT. I thought they (PM & ATOC) sucked before, now they just plain reek. Would/could anyone ever sit through the Phantom Menace, and say " Wow! That was great. I could really sit through another 5 of those. " I worked in a sci-fi/comic retail outlet at the time, and sales of Star Wars related goods (previously great sellers for the previous 6 years I'd been there) went thru the floor when PM hit the screens, and it never recovered. People that had collected virtually everything for years just stopped dead.


Just gimme the option to buy the Original Trilogy, as I watched it, faults and all. Its all part of the charm. You can ( and please, do) mess with the Prequel Trilogy all you like, and no-ones gonna say boo, because noone cares. No studio to blame, no budget to blame, no lack of special effects to blame. The buck stops with you George, and you blew it. Now get over it, and stop making the fans you love to hate pay for it.

or do a Spock, and bring out a couple of books...One now called George Lucas :" I am not a dickhead"...then one in a few years , with the benefit of hindsight, George Lucas :" Yeah, OK. I was being a dickhead"


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No offense, but this is what we need to avoid.

Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!

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Agreed. We don't get anywhere by insulting the man.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Regicidal_Maniac you have my Amen! And also a here, here!
Keeping The Star Wars Hoiliday Special alive. Once person at a time. Stir, stir, whip, whip, stir, beat, beat.