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That wishlist that somebody posted featuring all types of extra changes to the Original Trilogy is, in my opinion, complete nonsense. Fanboy ejaculation and nothing more. I don't doubt that Lucas will tinker further with the Original Trilogy, but I doubt that he'd go as far as that list says he will. There are some good ideas in there, but way too much fanboy garbage to be taken seriously.

I doubt any of us would complain about the Han/Greedo scene being restored though.

And hey, that scene with Jabba in A New Hope looks awful. Lucas ought to either remove that scene (which would be cool) or else swap in the Jabba from the Phantom Menace. Cuz right now, it looks like complete trash.

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I don't doubt that Lucas will tinker further with the Original Trilogy, but I doubt that he'd go as far as that list says he will.


He wants to create his "perfect" Star Wars, and given he's made fundmental changes already to the original, why would you be surprised if he makes "Star Wars v3.0"?
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I don't doubt that Lucas will tinker further with the Original Trilogy, but I doubt that he'd go as far as that list says he will.


He wants to create his "perfect" Star Wars, and given he's made fundmental changes already to the original, why would you be surprised if he makes "Star Wars v3.0"?


"Fundamental changes"?? Greedo shot first and Luke screams when he falls down the reactor core during ESB. Those are probably the most noteworthy changes and they don't really add up to all that much in the grand scheme of the saga.

Like I said, I don't doubt that he'll make more changes to the original trilogy, but I would be shocked and awed if even half of the items on that BS list came to pass.

John Williams is on record for saying that he's going to rescore A New Hope, so I would believe that Lucas has ambitions for the music. I just don't forsee another major overhaul of the entire trilogy.

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Originally posted by: obi-wan trentobi"Fundamental changes"?? Greedo shot first and Luke screams when he falls down the reactor core during ESB. Those are probably the most noteworthy changes and they don't really add up to all that much in the grand scheme of the saga.

Like I said, I don't doubt that he'll make more changes to the original trilogy, but I would be shocked and awed if even half of the items on that BS list came to pass.

John Williams is on record for saying that he's going to rescore A New Hope, so I would believe that Lucas has ambitions for the music. I just don't forsee another major overhaul of the entire trilogy.

- Trentobi

I'm going to jump out my window if Williams adds in the Imperial March to ANH, I think the Empire's theme from the movie is fine just as it is, and if I had been doing the prequels, I would have focused on using that theme instead of the overused Darth Vader's theme.

Trentobi, where did Williams say he was rescoring ANH? I'm against it, but I will be interested to see what is done regardless.

I don't believe all the things in that change list, but the sad thing is, I wouldn't put it past Lucas to do such things. I was watching the old Making of ROTJ video tape and he was talking about if (in 1983) he could redo Star Wars, he could make it SO MUCH better than what it was.

I think Lucas will tinker with this film until the day he dies. I know artists never feel there work is complete, but Lucas has taken this to the extreme. I think he finds watching the original to be painful and he HATES it and HATES us for liking the film the way that it is.

So we are made to pay for Lucas' insecurities as a filmmaker.

George, it was good the way that it was.

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George, it was good the way that it was.
As long as people own the original trilogy in some form, we should be safe in saying "Its good the way it is."

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I'm going to jump out my window if Williams adds in the Imperial March to ANH, I think the Empire's theme from the movie is fine just as it is, and if I had been doing the prequels, I would have focused on using that theme instead of the overused Darth Vader's theme.


Get a parachute. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2002-04/19/10.30.film

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I don't believe all the things in that change list, but the sad thing is, I wouldn't put it past Lucas to do such things. I was watching the old Making of ROTJ video tape and he was talking about if (in 1983) he could redo Star Wars, he could make it SO MUCH better than what it was.

I think Lucas will tinker with this film until the day he dies. I know artists never feel there work is complete, but Lucas has taken this to the extreme. I think he finds watching the original to be painful and he HATES it and HATES us for liking the film the way that it is.

So we are made to pay for Lucas' insecurities as a filmmaker.


You're not being made to do anything. You've got self-control and a free will. If you don't want to support any version of Star Wars on DVD except the original releases, that's your perogative. But you sound like a whiney chump when you complain about "taking this to the extreme", when all Lucas has done is whoppin' ONE revamp to the original trilogy. I defy you or anybody else to find so much as one quote from Lucas admitting point-blank that he's got another overhaul for the trilogy lurking in his mind. Moreover, when the unaltered original trilogy was released for the final time all those years ago, IT WAS ADVERTISED AS BEING THE FINAL TIME FOR THE UNALTERED VERSION! You can't say you didn't see this coming.

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George, it was good the way that it was.


Yes. And it is good now.

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Originally posted by: obi-wan trentobiYou're not being made to do anything. You've got self-control and a free will. If you don't want to support any version of Star Wars on DVD except the original releases, that's your perogative. But you sound like a whiney chump when you complain about "taking this to the extreme", when all Lucas has done is whoppin' ONE revamp to the original trilogy. I defy you or anybody else to find so much as one quote from Lucas admitting point-blank that he's got another overhaul for the trilogy lurking in his mind. Moreover, when the unaltered original trilogy was released for the final time all those years ago, IT WAS ADVERTISED AS BEING THE FINAL TIME FOR THE UNALTERED VERSION! You can't say you didn't see this coming.

- Trentobi

Thanks for the link to the Williams interview. I am disappointed to hear that he will tinker with the music for ANH, but there is proof positive that Lucas is further changing ANH. You asked for evidence that he is doing ANOTHER revamp, well there it is.

Yes, I did realize that it was being released as "unaltered" for the last time, but that was only on VHS and laserdisc and unfortunately, DVD has since replaced both as the format of choice for the consumer. So no, it did not come as a surprise and I dutifily bought my LD copy. But now, for all those who would want the original, unadulterated version of the OT on DVD, they are totally out of luck. I have a copy of my LD burned onto DVD, but its not the same as having an official release using the masters of the original film and sound mixing to make a truly professional release. LD output is only analog, not digital, the LDs also just had Dolby Digital sound, not a remastered 5.1 mix. There is only so much that a guy and his desktop computer can do, when only given an LD to work with as the master.

Is it too much to ask for a simple DVD of the original film without the changes? Spielberg provides that on the E.T. DVD along with his new "FBI Agents don't carry guns" version. Are people wrong for wanting something that would be so easy for the omnipotent Lucas to grant?

If Lucas is worried that I might buy the OT and not the SE, he should fear not. Yes, I will be buying the Special Edition DVDs when they come out, regardless of whether he releases the non-SE OT, but that is for mostly technical reasons (i.e. sound/picture, extras/documentaries). That doesn't mean I have to prefer those versions over the original films.

If Lucas proceeds with doing an "ULTIMATE" edition DVD after this (or if he's planning to make the changes for the Fall 2004 DVD release), then more power to him. It is "his" film whether we like it or not, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the awkward "Greedo shoots first" scene. It's obvious that any sentiment towards the original cuts of the film don't seem to be registering with him.

If he does make more changes, I hope he goes all out and makes these versions even more different from the original cuts as possible. There are a number of things in the Special Edition that had me scratching my head and saying "Why didn't they fix THAT?"

Let's hope with these ULTIMATE editions, he will do that.
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Thanks for the link to the Williams interview. I am disappointed to hear that he will tinker with the music for ANH, but there is proof positive that Lucas is further changing ANH. You asked for evidence that he is doing ANOTHER revamp, well there it is.


All the quote from Williams implies is that more music will be added into ANH. Williams, as a musical director, is not an authority on what is being done in the areas of visual effects, sound design, etc. For all either of us know, Lucas simply wants to add the Imperial March to ANH and maybe some other things as well, but has nothing else in mind for that film.

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Yes, I did realize that it was being released as "unaltered" for the last time, but that was only on VHS and laserdisc and unfortunately, DVD has since replaced both as the format of choice for the consumer. So no, it did not come as a surprise and I dutifily bought my LD copy. But now, for all those who would want the original, unadulterated version of the OT on DVD, they are totally out of luck. I have a copy of my LD burned onto DVD, but its not the same as having an official release using the masters of the original film and sound mixing to make a truly professional release. LD output is only analog, not digital, the LDs also just had Dolby Digital sound, not a remastered 5.1 mix. There is only so much that a guy and his desktop computer can do, when only given an LD to work with as the master.


I understand your feelings. I support releasing the original versions of the Trilogy on DVD as much as anybody on this forum. My point though is that, sooner or later, a new format will eventually put DVD out of business. Is Lucas supposed to release the original versions of the Trilogy on that format as well? And the next one? And the next one? And the next one? Hell, I hope he does! I'd LOVE to see the original versions of the Trilogy in high-def... but if never even get that on standard DVD, I'll be disappointed, but not disillusioned.

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If Lucas is worried that I might buy the OT and not the SE, he should fear not. Yes, I will be buying the Special Edition DVDs when they come out, regardless of whether he releases the non-SE OT, but that is for mostly technical reasons (i.e. sound/picture, extras/documentaries). That doesn't mean I have to prefer those versions over the original films.


It's not an either/or proposition and it shouldn't be. Lucas could release the original versions of the Trilogy on barebones DVD (without any extras at all) in four months and they would sell a mint and earn him two or three more fortunes. If he's as greedy as some of you say, he would've done so by now. The fact that he hasn't released those or the Special Editions tells me that he has his own reasons for sitting on both of them. Hell, if he wanted to, he could release a MEGA boxed set with one DVD containing the original film and the second disc containing the Special Edition version with one extra disc for all of the extra material. Nobodys ego would be at stake in that scenario and no one could say which version people really cared about buying. I'd hoped for this route in lieu of a separate release for each version (confusing the idiotic masses), but I'll take what ever I can get at this point.

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If Lucas proceeds with doing an "ULTIMATE" edition DVD after this (or if he's planning to make the changes for the Fall 2004 DVD release), then more power to him. It is "his" film whether we like it or not, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the awkward "Greedo shoots first" scene. It's obvious that any sentiment towards the original cuts of the film don't seem to be registering with him.


I've never met Lucas, but I think of him as being a fairly obstinant man. It's all well and good for people like you and me to beg for the original versions of the Trilogy. In my opinion, he doesn't understand why we want them since (1) they're not his original vision and (2) the Special Editions are far superior in every technical way. He may very well not understand the sentimentality of seeing Han shoot first or my geeky need to compare the two versions to each other with friends and debate the merits of both.

Incidentally, this is why ALL artists and creative people are completely full of crap. EDITED BY TRENTOBI. APOLOGIES TO THE ADMIN FOR THE UNNECESSARY FRENCH

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If he does make more changes, I hope he goes all out and makes these versions even more different from the original cuts as possible. There are a number of things in the Special Edition that had me scratching my head and saying "Why didn't they fix THAT?"

Let's hope with these ULTIMATE editions, he will do that.


Agreed, 110%. There's no shortage of work that still needs to be done in all three movies, ranging from head-slapping-obvious (the Rancor matte line, screwy lightsabers) to the more subtle (the mother of all color correction screw ups when Leia, Chewie and Lando run past the camera during their escape from Cloud City).

With all that in mind, I really wish 20th Century Fox would've allowed Lucas to just work on ANH and skip the other two films (which was the original plan). He would've done the rest of them eventually and the quality level of ANH Special Edition (and the rest) would've been much higher.

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Originally posted by: obi-wan trentobi
All the quote from Williams implies is that more music will be added into ANH. Williams, as a musical director, is not an authority on what is being done in the areas of visual effects, sound design, etc. For all either of us know, Lucas simply wants to add the Imperial March to ANH and maybe some other things as well, but has nothing else in mind for that film.
That is still a change, and a fundamental one at that. Do you really think Lucas would stop just there?

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I understand your feelings. I support releasing the original versions of the Trilogy on DVD as much as anybody on this forum. My point though is that, sooner or later, a new format will eventually put DVD out of business. Is Lucas supposed to release the original versions of the Trilogy on that format as well?
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It's not an either/or proposition and it shouldn't be. Lucas could release the original versions of the Trilogy on barebones DVD (without any extras at all) in four months and they would sell a mint and earn him two or three more fortunes. If he's as greedy as some of you say, he would've done so by now.
This is the case where Lucas' ego and pride outweighs his greed.
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The fact that he hasn't released those or the Special Editions tells me that he has his own reasons for sitting on both of them. Hell, if he wanted to, he could release a MEGA boxed set with one DVD containing the original film and the second disc containing the Special Edition version with one extra disc for all of the extra material. Nobodys ego would be at stake in that scenario and no one could say which version people really cared about buying. I'd hoped for this route in lieu of a separate release for each version (confusing the idiotic masses), but I'll take what ever I can get at this point.
If Lucas would release the films as you have laid out here, I would rejoice and praise his name as I once did. I don't hate the Special Editions, I just feel the changes make it a worse film in a dramatic sense, while they may be technically superior.

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I've never met Lucas, but I think of him as being a fairly obstinant man. It's all well and good for people like you and me to beg for the original versions of the Trilogy. In my opinion, he doesn't understand why we want them since (1) they're not his original vision and (2) the Special Editions are far superior in every technical way. He may very well not understand the sentimentality of seeing Han shoot first or my geeky need to compare the two versions to each other with friends and debate the merits of both.
I take that to mean he is severely out of touch with fans. Of course, he simply looks at his bank statements and sees that Episode I and II have made him millions and millions. So he finds it easy to dismiss our criticisms. Like when he dismissed criticism of Jar Jar saying that people thought C-3PO and R2-D2 were stupid, which was most certainly not the case amongst the fans.

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Let's hope with these ULTIMATE editions, he will do that.


Agreed, 110%. There's no shortage of work that still needs to be done in all three movies, ranging from head-slapping-obvious (the Rancor matte line, screwy lightsabers) to the more subtle (the mother of all color correction screw ups when Leia, Chewie and Lando run past the camera during their escape from Cloud City).
I'm coming up with a laundry list of things I hope Lucas will fix that he didn't fix in the Special Editions. Hopefully someone at ILM has already noticed these. Of all the corrections that one list claimed were being made, the one I find most laughable is that Han shooting first will be restored. Fat chance, I think Lucas will keep that in there just to spite us. No, it was not his original vision, because there is no mention of it in the scripts, and no mention of it in he novelization. To claim that that's what he intended back in 1977 is just plain false and and outright lie. I would respect Lucas more if he just said "I was uncomfortable with the idea of Han shooting first and that's why I changed it."

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With all that in mind, I really wish 20th Century Fox would've allowed Lucas to just work on ANH and skip the other two films (which was the original plan). He would've done the rest of them eventually and the quality level of ANH Special Edition (and the rest) would've been much higher.

- Trentobi
Agreed.

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Originally posted by: R2-G2

All the quote from Williams implies is that more music will be added into ANH. Williams, as a musical director, is not an authority on what is being done in the areas of visual effects, sound design, etc. For all either of us know, Lucas simply wants to add the Imperial March to ANH and maybe some other things as well, but has nothing else in mind for that film.

That is still a change, and a fundamental one at that. Do you really think Lucas would stop just there?


I haven't seen any confirmation from him or a representative of Lucasfilm to make me believe that more work is being done on the original trilogy. I could see a lot of wisdom in doing so, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. For all any of us know, maybe he is doing more work on them, but more minor things like matte lines, corrected lightsabers and maybe some new or different musical cues in ANH.

The point? WE DON'T KNOW!

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I understand your feelings. I support releasing the original versions of the Trilogy on DVD as much as anybody on this forum. My point though is that, sooner or later, a new format will eventually put DVD out of business. Is Lucas supposed to release the original versions of the Trilogy on that format as well?

yes.


Well hell, maybe Lucas should just skip releasing the original versions of the Trilogy on DVD altogether and release them on Blu-Ray Discs when that format hits the market place. How cool would that be?!

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It's not an either/or proposition and it shouldn't be. Lucas could release the original versions of the Trilogy on barebones DVD (without any extras at all) in four months and they would sell a mint and earn him two or three more fortunes. If he's as greedy as some of you say, he would've done so by now.

This is the case where Lucas' ego and pride outweighs his greed.


No it's not. He's either a greedy SOB (that fable about how he supposedly rereleases the Trilogy 90 gamillion times with almost no differences, even though the reality contradicts that idiotic statement) or he's not. He hasn't released any version of the original trilogy on DVD. He knows as well or better than anybody else how successful those discs would be... yet he hasn't released them. So he's not greedy. Maybe neurotic, but not greedy. A greedy man would've released vanilla versions of the original versions of the Trilogy along with vanilla versions of the Special Editions (spaced six months apart) and follow both of those sets up with collector's editions of both (spaced six months apart) by now.

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I've never met Lucas, but I think of him as being a fairly obstinant man. It's all well and good for people like you and me to beg for the original versions of the Trilogy. In my opinion, he doesn't understand why we want them since (1) they're not his original vision and (2) the Special Editions are far superior in every technical way. He may very well not understand the sentimentality of seeing Han shoot first or my geeky need to compare the two versions to each other with friends and debate the merits of both.

I take that to mean he is severely out of touch with fans. Of course, he simply looks at his bank statements and sees that Episode I and II have made him millions and millions. So he finds it easy to dismiss our criticisms. Like when he dismissed criticism of Jar Jar saying that people thought C-3PO and R2-D2 were stupid, which was most certainly not the case amongst the fans.


If I were him, I would dismiss your claims too. C3P0 and R2 were characters for the kiddos. Jar Jar is too and all you Jar Jar-haters can get over it. C3P0 was an overall pretty endearing character in the original trilogy... but he had moments in ESB and ROTJ that pissed me off more than anything Jar Jar ever said or did.

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I'm coming up with a laundry list of things I hope Lucas will fix that he didn't fix in the Special Editions. Hopefully someone at ILM has already noticed these. Of all the corrections that one list claimed were being made, the one I find most laughable is that Han shooting first will be restored. Fat chance, I think Lucas will keep that in there just to spite us. No, it was not his original vision, because there is no mention of it in the scripts, and no mention of it in he novelization. To claim that that's what he intended back in 1977 is just plain false and and outright lie. I would respect Lucas more if he just said "I was uncomfortable with the idea of Han shooting first and that's why I changed it."


If Lucas paid no attention to the fans, we wouldn't have any SW DVD's now and certainly none this year. Will he restore Han shooting first? I don't know, but I'd think he might. Fan reaction has been vitriolic, as you all know. Everybody can find some aspect of the Special Editions that they like, but I've never once read anybody say that they think the scene works better with Greedo shooting first or that they even like it. NOT ONE!!!

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Originally posted by: obi-wan trentobi
If Lucas paid no attention to the fans, we wouldn't have any SW DVD's now and certainly none this year. Will he restore Han shooting first? I don't know, but I'd think he might. Fan reaction has been vitriolic, as you all know. Everybody can find some aspect of the Special Editions that they like, but I've never once read anybody say that they think the scene works better with Greedo shooting first or that they even like it. NOT ONE!!!

- Trentobi


Amen, brother!

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ALL I CAN SAY IS "WOW." THOSE "FANBOY" CHANGES AREN'T TOO BAD IN FACT I LIKE MOST OF THEM. THE PROBLEM IS THAT LIKE STATED BEFORE WE DON'T KNOW AND WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL IT HAPPENS. HONESTLY, PEOPLE !!! HOW MANY TOPIC THREADS DO WE NEED IN ORDER TO DISCUSS THIS ??? DO A LITTLE SEARCHING ON THIS SITE TO FIND THE TOPIC THREAD(S) THAT ALREADY DEAL WITH THIS. THIS TOPIC THREAD IS REDICULOUS AND REDUNDANT.

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ALL I CAN SAY IS "WOW." THOSE "FANBOY" CHANGES AREN'T TOO BAD IN FACT I LIKE MOST OF THEM.


Dayv, I would not have expected any less of you.

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