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Church Experiment(Was: Want to Read The Bible) — Page 6

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Anchorhead said:

 

Someone here said it best in another thread once - and I'm sorry I can't recall who because it was perfectly stated - both sides are taking an equal leap of faith because neither knows the truth. Unfortunately, that respect and tolerance seldom, if ever, comes through in religious conversations.

 

 Is beleiving in what you don't see, and not belieiving in what you don't see REALLY equal leaps of faith?

Is someone who doesn't believe in unicorns making the same "leap of faith" as someone who does?

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TheBoost said:

Anchorhead said:

 

Someone here said it best in another thread once - and I'm sorry I can't recall who because it was perfectly stated - both sides are taking an equal leap of faith because neither knows the truth. Unfortunately, that respect and tolerance seldom, if ever, comes through in religious conversations.

 

 Is beleiving in what you don't see, and not belieiving in what you don't see REALLY equal leaps of faith?

Is someone who doesn't believe in unicorns making the same "leap of faith" as someone who does?

It depends where you believe/don't believe the unicorns to be.

If you believe there are unicorns at the bottom of your garden you may be making more of a leap of faith than the person who doesn't.

If you don't believe there are no unicorns anywhere in the universe or any other universes that may exist you may be making a bigger leap of faith than people who believe they have one at the bottom of their garden.

 

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Well put, Bingo.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Bingowings said:

TheBoost said:

 Is someone who doesn't believe in unicorns making the same "leap of faith" as someone who does?

It depends where you believe/don't believe the unicorns to be.

If you believe there are unicorns at the bottom of your garden you may be making more of a leap of faith than the person who doesn't.

If you don't believe there are no unicorns anywhere in the universe or any other universes that may exist you may be making a bigger leap of faith than people who believe they have one at the bottom of their garden.

So because you can't fundametally disprove unicorns you feel the need to believe in them?

I can't disprove that the icecaps on Mars are sentient and want to marry my sister, so should I believe in that, or else I'd be making a leap of faith?

So any Christian is making a huge leap of faith not to believe in Wotan, The Great Raven, Ahura Mazda, Wicca, Xenu, or Krishna, or for that matter faeries, leprechauns, the invisible dragon in my garage, chupucabras, or vampires.

I beleive in gravity. I don't beleive that invisible tentacles from the Earth's core reach up and pull me back down when I jump. Is that a leap of faith? (pun mostly intended)

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You only believe in gravity because it makes sense in the the context of what can be extrapolated from what you and others perceive.

Other people believe in God and Gods and ghosts and shape-shifting lizard overlords, reds under the bed and Arab bombs under every sofa because that fits what they can extrapolate from what they and others perceive.

Does it make sense?

If you can get into one of those mindsets and read the literature and say the mantras over and over, perhaps.

Does it matter?

If you want it to matter of course it matters.

 

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TheBoost said:

I think any talk of 'common sense' is fairly out of place in a talk about religion.

I'd go so far as to say 'common sense' as an expression is fairly useless in any discussion, but even moreso with religion.

I too think common sense is a myth, I was simply responding to:

A B C said:

"God has no religion"

- Common sense

 

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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TheBoost said:

 Is beleiving in what you don't see, and not belieiving in what you don't see REALLY equal leaps of faith?

Yes.

One side is saying "I'm certain there is nothing after this, but I can't prove it. 

The other side is saying "I am certain there is something after this, but I can't prove it"

Boost - just so I'm absolutely clear on this -  I'm not going to get into a long discussion about this because it's pointless.  Your question is a textbook example of what I was mentioning earlier. 

Arrogance - however subtle - on either side - is what keeps me from bothering to ever discuss beliefs. Both sides are replete with people who want to come across as being open to understanding, respecting, and discussing the other side's views - while making sure they still get in their points that prove they are the ones who are correct.

I don't do that - neither the drawn out discussions, nor the smugness. We all get the answer eventually - whatever it is.

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Nicely said.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape