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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Why? I found it kind of cool to see a clapper saying "Star Wars Episode V." To think they were filming a scene for it after all these years is amazing!


no its kinda dumb for it to say that it should say 2004 edition of ESB lol
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I disagree. I think it's cool for him to be fixing old mistakes. I mean, do you really like the inconsistant Palps between ESB and ROTJ?
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Yes! I've always loved that performance! It gave the Emperor some kind of mystery in his very first appearance. You're not supposed to be really sure of what you're seeing. The Ian reshoot is just far too open. The scene drags on for far too long, and I don't really feel like it's a good introduction to the character. Don't get me wrong. I love Ian's performance as the Emperor, but I prefer the original version.

The way that Clive Revill says, "There is a great disturbance in the Force." I just love it.

Besides, Ian looks less like the Emperor in that particular scene than Clive did!

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Besides, Ian looks less like the Emperor in that particular scene than Clive did!


This is the part that really bugs me, they should have done the makeup a little better IMO.

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When I first saw ESB in 99', and up until the DVD's, I always hated the inconsistancy in actors. With Ian in TPM ROTJ, I always had wished to see him in ESB. And I got my wish! I also like the fact that he actually mentions Anakin Skywalker in the new dialogue, which even better ties the OT to the PT. It was the same situation with Fett's voice. With a New Zealand accent iun AOTC, it only made sense that he didn't have that raspy voice he did in ESB, and had Temuerra Morrison's voice.
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Yeah, except the dialogue in the new Emperor scene sucks. Why couldn't they have just got him to read the same lines? The new dialogue completely gives away the "I am your father" revelation. I showed a friend Episodes IV-VI for the first time and she figured out from that dialogue that Vader was Luke's father.

If you were an Australian, you'd realise just how irritating it is to hear a New Zealander's voice in a Star Wars movie, let alone a good Star Wars movie. It ruins ESB for me. I would have been able to watch my 2004 ESB DVD if it wasn't for Temeura Morrison. Does anyone else realise how much cooler the original voice of Boba Fett is in comparison?
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
When I first saw ESB in 99', and up until the DVD's, I always hated the inconsistancy in actors. With Ian in TPM ROTJ, I always had wished to see him in ESB. And I got my wish!


Unlike you, though, most of us saw the old chimpanzee Emperor before we saw Ian, rather than the other way around, you having seen TPM first.
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I always liked how there was this big change in between when we see the Emperor in a hologram and when we actually see him in person. That way, the surprise of actually seeing him in action for the first time isn't ruined. I mean, really, the only thing that's truly different is the voice (but like I said, I like his voice)... the hologram is so shrouded in the original that it more or less fits.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, the way it was before, everything was so mysterious and shrouded in darkness that seeing the Emperor in Return of the Jedi was like seeing him for the first time. The way it is now, done so openly, I feel like I'm already supposed to know who he is when he starts talking when we're really seeing him for the first time.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Well, you are supposed to know who he is by then. In fact, you're supposed to know and hate him pretty damn well by the time you get to ESB. Seeing him there is not meant as an introduction, but to show the emperor for the first time since ROTS. And to respond to what theredbaron said, I just don't like inconsistency. As an example, I also saw the TPM puppett Yoda first, but I consider the Yoda from AOTC and ROTS way better, and more suitable for all the films, even though I saw TPM, ANH, ESB, and ROTJ Yoda before I saw the CG Yoda.
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Get off your high horse already, AWK.

Why did you come to a website called originaltrilogy.com in the first place, dedicated to preserving the Trilogy that the majority here know and love, only to continually Force feed your opinion down other's throats?

It just doesn't make sense, boy! You will find many people that share your 'vision' of the Saga, just not here.

I'm trying to be tactful & somewhat subtle for your sake, but if you want me to spell it out for you, let me know.
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Because I'm generally interested in the preservation of vintage star wars footage, including, but not limited to, the OOT. I signed the petition, as I think that for the sake of film history, and for the sake of those who grew up with it, the OOT needs to be on DVD. But, myself, I don't really prefer it. That's my opinion. I can see why others may prefer it, but I don't personally prefer it. So, yes, I support the site. (And by the way, the way by which I found this site was when I was doing a search for a Return of the Ewok bootleg, and found Garrett's version, here at the site.)
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You missed my point, obviously.

You are entitle to your 'vision' of the Saga, no one is arguing against that.

But don't come to a site like originaltrilogy.com and endlessly argue your case. You say the same damn thing over and over and over, onl in different ways.

Do you think we're stupid? Are you morally superior to everyone?
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“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I certainly agree with you on the Greedo issue. That was a horrible idea to me, even seeing the SE's first as I did. It weakened Han in a way, as many have said. What he did for the DVD is a little more acceptable. I can barely grasp that they may have shot at the same time. Maybe Han knew Greedo was getting ready to shoot and was merely preparing, I don't know. Whatever the reason is, Lucas better have a good reason for it.

I also want to make it clear that I don't really have anything against anyone who likes the original versions, I can see why, as I explained above. I came here becuase, in addition to being interested in Garrett's work on ROTE, I am fascinated by the dedication and interest people have in preserving classic video, be it the OOT, the holiday special, the Star Tours ride video, non0-star wars projects such as Blade Runner, etc. Plus, this is an excellent place to discuss general Star Wars or non-star wars related topics, such as the issue with the death star I posted a few minutes ago. It really was a brilliant idea of Jay to create this site for everyone to gather, as it is an excellent source for those like-minded people interested in film preservation.
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I tried to ignore the whole Greedo shoots first thing, but I can't deny that it's impossible for Greedo to have missed Han even slightly when they were so close together.

Yet Han still shoots first at Darth Vader in ESB when Vader was just occupying the physical space, making no move to attack Han, yet Han shoots at him anyway. Why isn't that murder? It was murder for Han to shoot Greedo first when Greedo so clearly wanted to waste Han but it's not murder for Han to shoot at Vader when Vader did not display any signs of attacking Han. That's just screwed up.

I fear that all the Alec Guinness ghosts will have Guinness replaced with a ghost of the young Ewan McGregor.

The special editions suck, the worst offenses being the digital replacements of Clive Revill as the ESB Emperor and Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ. These changes were uncalled for and are disrespectful to the original actors. George Lucas is a hypocrtical asshole.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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I don't know. He has said many times how much he respects the work of Alec Guiness and of how he plans to never do a CG Yoda for ESB and ROTJ. And I know you know the whole deal with him trying to get Frank Oz the academy award for it and all. Hm... maybe he just doesn't have the respect for certain actors, that he does for others.
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
I tried to ignore the whole Greedo shoots first thing, but I can't deny that it's impossible for Greedo to have missed Han even slightly when they were so close together.

Yet Han still shoots first at Darth Vader in ESB when Vader was just occupying the physical space, making no move to attack Han, yet Han shoots at him anyway. Why isn't that murder? It was murder for Han to shoot Greedo first when Greedo so clearly wanted to waste Han but it's not murder for Han to shoot at Vader when Vader did not display any signs of attacking Han. That's just screwed up.

I fear that all the Alec Guinness ghosts will have Guinness replaced with a ghost of the young Ewan McGregor.

The special editions suck, the worst offenses being the digital replacements of Clive Revill as the ESB Emperor and Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ. These changes were uncalled for and are disrespectful to the original actors. George Lucas is a hypocrtical asshole.


Let's not forget that Greedo is a professional killer (i.e. he kills as a profession), so for him to miss at such a range is criminal in itself!
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It baffles me too why he came up the idea and made Greedo become one of worst shots in filmaking history.


I am with the guys on the thread that Shaw, to me was out of order, saga or no saga, Even putting up with 4 or 5 things I didnt like, this was personally the straw that finally broke the camels back as far as George's S.Es of Star Wars for me.
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
It baffles me too why he came up the idea and made Greedo become one of worst shots in filmaking history.


I am with the guys on the thread that Shaw, to me was out of order, saga or no saga, Even putting up with 4 or 5 things I didnt like, this was personally the straw that finally broke the camels back as far as George's S.Es of Star Wars for me.


Fer shaw! I think that's what finally got me on this site. I think I found it when I googled 'prequels suck' or something like that!
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it'll be nice if they gives us the oot but i also think they should brighten up the picture and tone down the color, i'll be happy if they do this
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I'd certainly like to see the OOT. It would also be good better (if Lucas insists!) to have 'angle' options to see the SE and DVD 2004 versions.

I would also love to see more of the plethora of Behind the Scenes footage Lucasfilm shot for each film. Empire of Dreams was great but I think both ESB and ROTJ could do with a closer look in a documentary.

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I want to see a straight transfer of the OOT from 36 or 16mm film stock. The guys that auctioned off the 'Jedi' 16mm was sitting on a gold mine.

From a preservationist POV, there's nothing more tactial and real than seeing a movie off of real film.

Take a look at Criterion's 'Chasing Amy' which was shot on Super-16 and you'll see what I mean...
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I don't know. He has said many times how much he respects the work of Alec Guiness and of how he plans to never do a CG Yoda for ESB and ROTJ. And I know you know the whole deal with him trying to get Frank Oz the academy award for it and all. Hm... maybe he just doesn't have the respect for certain actors, that he does for others.


I know Lucas can't help himself when it comes to tinkering, tampering and other wise ruining his own legacy.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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As you know, he only does it because the originals were nowhere close to hoiw he wanted them. I believe he said ANH was only %25-%30.
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What changes should be added?

absolutely fucking nothing! Stop wrecking these films. Jesus H Christ
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