Changes in 2004 DVDs — Page 7

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 18-Apr-2004 6:15 AM
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What kind of minor changes are being made to the star wars trilogy dvd's?

3 confirmed changes

1. The Emperor hologram has been replaced by with the correct actor to match with Return of the Jedi

2. The digital Jabba has been replaced with a much better digital Jabba.

3. The lightsaber effects have been corrected.

I can't see how anyone can complain about any of these changes. All three of them should have been made in 1997.

Confirmed by who? Please post the url where these confirmations are. I am not doubting you! Just wanna see it.

I can personally confirm that the ESB emperor is now Ian McDiarmid, and that Anakin's ghost in the final scene of ROTJ will be Hayden Christensen.

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Author: jimbo
Time: 18-Apr-2004 6:20 AM
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I can personally confirm that the ESB emperor is now Ian McDiarmid, and that Anakin's ghost in the final scene of ROTJ will be Hayden Christensen.

Where did you hear about the Hayden Christensen thing. The changes I posted came from thedigitalbits.com. Where did you hear that change from.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 18-Apr-2004 6:39 AM
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I can't say, but I'm not lying.

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Author: starkiller
Time: 18-Apr-2004 9:04 AM
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I can personally confirm that the ESB emperor is now Ian McDiarmid, and that Anakin's ghost in the final scene of ROTJ will be Hayden Christensen.

$*^# #*&$&*$ *#^& @^*^#@

I hope Lucas knows what he's doing with this. The 'face-plastering' effect I've seen in other movies just looks like complete #&$^.
My Fellow Americans and Forest Gump both come to mind.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 18-Apr-2004 9:06 AM
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well it might be all Hayden, body and head. I should know more soon.

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Author: jimbo
Time: 18-Apr-2004 11:29 AM
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I can't say, but I'm not lying.

Sorry but I am going to need a reliable source in order to believe you. Thedigitalbits is a reliable source and theres nothing on such a change at the digital bits.

Author: starkiller
Time: 18-Apr-2004 11:47 AM
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Wait a minute...I must have misread something.

Anakin's ghost??
The ghost effect shouldn't be TOO hard to change, given what we have seen from that one screenshot I posted earlier. If Lucas has the original film that was shot (the ghosts were obviously added later), re-combining the individual elements (just as they did in 1983) shouldn't be tough at all.

What about Anakin himself, on the Death Star? If that gets changed, THEN I can see some trouble of 'Gumpian' porportions.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 18-Apr-2004 12:37 PM
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Unmasked Vader will still be Sebastion shaw, only the ghost is Hayden. When the whole Jedi ghosts/dissappearing when they die is explained in Ep3 it will contain a bit of info (which I am not provy to) which will explain why Anakin has a young ghost. Likely it will be that he is cliniclly dead before he is revived as Vader.

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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
I can't say, but I'm not lying.

Sorry but I am going to need a reliable source in order to believe you. Thedigitalbits is a reliable source and theres nothing on such a change at the digital bits.

You don't have to believe me, but its the truth. The Anakins ghost stuff has been more or less spelled out by DarthToeJam at TF.n in the classic trilogy forum, he has connection on the inside which have been confirmed to me. The Palpatine thing in ESB I can't go into detail about how I know this, but it is true, I'm sorry I can't do better then that, you're well within your rights to disregard everything I say.

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Author: Jedi Master DJR
Time: 18-Apr-2004 1:49 PM
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Unmasked Vader will still be Sebastion shaw, only the ghost is Hayden. When the whole Jedi ghosts/dissappearing when they die is explained in Ep3 it will contain a bit of info (which I am not provy to) which will explain why Anakin has a young ghost. Likely it will be that he is cliniclly dead before he is revived as Vader.

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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
I can't say, but I'm not lying.

Sorry but I am going to need a reliable source in order to believe you. Thedigitalbits is a reliable source and theres nothing on such a change at the digital bits.

You don't have to believe me, but its the truth. The Anakins ghost stuff has been more or less spelled out by DarthToeJam at TF.n in the classic trilogy forum, he has connection on the inside which have been confirmed to me. The Palpatine thing in ESB I can't go into detail about how I know this, but it is true, I'm sorry I can't do better then that, you're well within your rights to disregard everything I say.

For myself personally, I will take that into consideration, but of course I will still have doubts. I do sincerely hope the Emperor money head is replaced.

Author: jimbo
Time: 18-Apr-2004 1:59 PM
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I just want to know your source Rebal Scumb. I am curious.

Author: Jedi Master DJR
Time: 18-Apr-2004 3:31 PM
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Sadly, that is the thing about sources. Most of the time if you tell who or what it was, they are forever worthless with their cover blown.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 18-Apr-2004 5:35 PM
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exactly. I'm telling you what I know. I can't betray my source, but I've seen solid evidence that came from a trustworthy person. Believe what you will.

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Author: Jedi Master DJR
Time: 19-Apr-2004 5:50 AM
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And we will, thanks for passing the info along.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 19-Apr-2004 6:08 AM
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the real credit should go to darthtoejam over in the CT forum of tf.n JC. He's the one spilling the beans, 99% of what I'm doing is just reiterating what he's already said, but other people have PMed me and back up what he said.

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Author: Han's Girlfriend
Time: 19-Apr-2004 6:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
Unmasked Vader will still be Sebastion shaw, only the ghost is Hayden. When the whole Jedi ghosts/dissappearing when they die is explained in Ep3 it will contain a bit of info (which I am not provy to) which will explain why Anakin has a young ghost. Likely it will be that he is cliniclly dead before he is revived as Vader.

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! THIS CAN'T BE TRUE!!
What a f***ed up explanation! This means that Anakin becomes evil after only he's dead or what? But Vader goes back to the light side minutes before dying in ROTJ so logically it is his face as it appears without the mask that should be the real ghost. And how is Luke the supposed to know that Hayden-Anakin is his father? He didn't see the prequels...
Seems to me that Lucas is creating even more plot holes instead of fixing existing ones.

"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain."

Author: jimbo
Time: 19-Apr-2004 9:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
Unmasked Vader will still be Sebastion shaw, only the ghost is Hayden. When the whole Jedi ghosts/dissappearing when they die is explained in Ep3 it will contain a bit of info (which I am not provy to) which will explain why Anakin has a young ghost. Likely it will be that he is cliniclly dead before he is revived as Vader.

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! THIS CAN'T BE TRUE!!
What a f***ed up explanation! This means that Anakin becomes evil after only he's dead or what? But Vader goes back to the light side minutes before dying in ROTJ so logically it is his face as it appears without the mask that should be the real ghost. And how is Luke the supposed to know that Hayden-Anakin is his father? He didn't see the prequels...
Seems to me that Lucas is creating even more plot holes instead of fixing existing ones.

It probably isn't. Theres no real word on any reliable sources on such a change. I'll believe it when I see it on theforce.net or the bits.

Author: Han's Girlfriend
Time: 19-Apr-2004 10:02 AM
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Hope you're right. But you never know with GL...

"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain."

Author: Bossk
Time: 19-Apr-2004 10:03 AM
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But you never know with GL...

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Author: starkiller
Time: 19-Apr-2004 10:34 AM
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It probably isn't. Theres no real word on any reliable sources on such a change. I'll believe it when I see it on theforce.net or the bits.

I'm trying to find it, but I remember posting a huge list from tf.n of some changes that were rumored. The Hayden-on-Sebastian face plastering was on that list.

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No sooner do I submit the message, but I find the article.
Classic Trilogy Ultimate Edition in the Works
Look at number 12 under the ROTJ section. Talks about Hayden being painted up and replacing Sebastian Shaw.

Author: jimbo
Time: 19-Apr-2004 10:55 AM
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Those changes are rumored. I am sure some are accurate but that list is not basis for fact as of yet. Though Ultimate Editions are definutly coming.

Author: Han's Girlfriend
Time: 19-Apr-2004 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by: starkiller
No sooner do I submit the message, but I find the article.
Classic Trilogy Ultimate Edition in the Works
Look at number 12 under the ROTJ section. Talks about Hayden being painted up and replacing Sebastian Shaw.

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Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been replaced with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older. Anakin has much more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he caused, he thanks his son for turning him back to the light, he tells his son to rebuild the Jedi and he says he loves him and his sister. Just before he dies he says, "It is finished...".

Oh holy crap...
Back to the argument that SW belongs to George Lucas: if he does this he will literally erase Sebastian Shaw from the movie, that is so disrespectful towards this actor. And extended dialogue?? WTF?

But it sounds really exagerated and more like a rumor. I don't really believe this.

"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain."

Author: Bossk
Time: 19-Apr-2004 11:34 AM
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Everything that he is doing is disrespectful to someone out there and I don't just mean the fans. Think about all the special effects experts who designed all these groundbreaking effects for the movies. Now it's all being wiped out.

Author: jimbo
Time: 19-Apr-2004 11:36 AM
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I agree replacing Anakin would be stupid but I highly doubt he will make that change.

Author: starkiller
Time: 19-Apr-2004 1:09 PM
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I agree replacing Anakin would be stupid but I highly doubt he will make that change.

I think I said this at one point before, but it bears repeating:
I'm sure most people highly doubted that he'd do what he did with the SE...but he did.

Author: Bossk
Time: 20-Apr-2004 4:21 AM
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Here ya go. From TheDigitalBits...

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Lucasfilm has finally provided more details on their Star Wars Trilogy 4-disc set, which streets on 9/21 (SRP $69.98). The set will include more than 10 hours of bonus content in all, in addition to the films. Each film will be presented in anamorphic widescreen video (that full frame version shouldn't even exist as far as we're concerned) certified by THX and lovingly restored and remastered by the folks at Lowry Digital. Audio for all three films will be Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX. Each film will also include audio commentary with the likes of creator George Lucas, director Irvin Kershner, actress Carrie Fisher, sound designer Ben Burtt and ILM's Dennis Muren.

Disc Four will feature all new and exclusive bonus material. The centerpiece of the disc Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy. According to Lucasfilm: "This two-and-a-half hour documentary traces the evolution of the saga, from a low-budget labor-of-love space saga to the movie phenomenon that defied the odds and reinvented the rules. This comprehensive documentary features all new interviews with George Lucas and more than 40 members of the cast and crew from the original trilogy, as well as a host of filmmakers and media personalities. Empire of Dreams includes some never-before-seen behind-the-scenes footage from the making of the three films."

When you're done with that, you can check out the Episode III behind-the-scenes preview featurette, The Return of Darth Vader, in which Lucas reveals how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader. We also get a first look at the new Vader costume for Episode III, and see how actors Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor prepared for the epic lightsaber battle between Anakin and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Next up, The Birth of the Lightsaber featurette takes a look at the origins and creation of "this elegant weapon from a more civilized age." The Characters of Star Wars featurette takes an in-depth look at how all the classic characters developed, from original concept art to interviews with Lucas and the cast. The Force Is With Them: The Legacy of Star Wars featurette looks at the influence of the Star Wars films on filmmaking and entertainment as a whole, and includes interviews with "the most notable filmmakers of our time." Rounding out the film content on this disc, are the original theatrical teaser, launch and re-release trailers for each film, plus TV spots, a gallery of hundreds of rare production art images and photos, and a gallery of poster and print campaign artwork.

Then there's "the rest of the disc", which will be of less interest to film fans. This includes preview trailers for the Star Wars: Battlefront and Star Wars: Episode III videogames, an Xbox playable demo of Battlefront, and DVD-ROM access to a special online site with additional exclusive content.

All in all, not too bad. Certainly not the definitive special edition treatment of these films on disc, but you know that'll happen later on Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD, so not bad for now. We'll post more information as Lucasfilm makes it available.