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Just noticed a continuity error in the Jabba scene I hadn't noticed before. Watch the clip mentioned above very carefully.

When Han and Jabba start walking/slithering with Han on Jabba's right (his point of view), you can see Chewbacca walking behind them out in the open. Then it cuts to Chewie moving forward in an entranceway beside a corner of two walls. Then it cuts back to Jabba and Han walking/slithering with Chewie behind them again in the open. Hmmm...
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Many things about the new Jabba look much better. His skin color and texture is much more realistic as are his eyes. His hand expressions and facial expressions both look much better as well. Still his movement still looks a bit choppy but I am hopping this is just the internet link and he will look more smooth on the DVD. Even if its not it is definutly so much better then before.
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yippi...

so instead of dog shit we get horse shit...
good reasoning jimbo...

but dont you think it would be better without that scene in there...

oh and Bossk nice pickup on the continuity error...
thats actually very noticable..

and the line... "Jabba your a wonderful human being" just makes no sense at all....
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
yippi...

so instead of dog shit we get horse shit...
good reasoning jimbo...

but dont you think it would be better without that scene in there...

oh and Bossk nice pickup on the continuity error...
thats actually very noticable..

and the line... "Jabba your a wonderful human being" just makes no sense at all....


That line is sarcasm. I got a good laugh when he said that. It matchs Hans personality and style of humor. I like the scene. The only thing I didn't like about it was the tail stomp. It should have been modified so Han steps over Jabbas tail.
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i sense no sarcasm in that line whatsoever...
Han being sarcastic is when Luke tells him on the sail barge he's taken care of everything... to which Han replies "riiiiiiiiight"

thats sarcasm...
in fact we know that line was never supposed to be sarcastic anyway due to the fact that Jabba was once played by a human being...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
i sense no sarcasm in that line whatsoever...
Han being sarcastic is when Luke tells him on the sail barge he's taken care of everything... to which Han replies "riiiiiiiiight"

thats sarcasm...
in fact we know that line was never supposed to be sarcastic anyway due to the fact that Jabba was once played by a human being...


The scene was filmed with the intention of replacing the actor with a stop motion puppet. It was always meant to be sarcasm. That scene was originally filmed and scripted the way it is. It belongs in the movie.
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I can't say it looks better than the SE, just different. If they just would have used the model from TPM...
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So I suppose that Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost was just a placeholder until Hayden Christensen would be available.

Lucas is a GENIUS!!! It's simply AMAZING how far ahead he plans these films.
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Lucas is a GENIUS!!! It's simply AMAZING how far ahead he plans these films.


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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
So I suppose that Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost was just a placeholder until Hayden Christensen would be available.

Lucas is a GENIUS!!! It's simply AMAZING how far ahead he plans these films.


Yes he is. I am not being sarcastic.
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But we are.
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Heres a final complete list of all the changes for the Star Wars trilogy DVDs

Episode IV: A New Hope

Lots of matte lines removed. The space under Luke's speeder looks much more realistic.

R2D2's blue parts are much cleaner and more consistent.

The 1997 animation added to the entrance to Mos Eisley is much smoother.

Greedo and Han shoot at the same time, and Han's dodge is far more realistic.

Jabba has been retexturized and looks considerably better. Han still walks on his tail, but it's much smoother.

The lettering on various Death Star panels are written in Aurebesh rather than English.

Diagona has been digitally enhanced with a iris and an eyelid

The matte-painted hall in Leia's detention block looks much more realistic.

Lightsabers look much better. Colors are far brighter and the blades are more defined.


Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

The battle of Hoth is enhanced with a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers

Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor instead of that near-fossil they had.

The conversations between Vader and Palpatine has a few new lines. Palpatine knows that Luke is Vader's son.

Light sabers are again fixed, making them more consistent.

Temuera Morrison does the voice of Boba Fett

Luke's inane scream when he jumps to escape Vader on Cloud City is gone. And there was much rejoicing.


Episode VI: Return of the Jedi

Like the other two, the light sabers are fixed.

The Rancor looks considerably better, with its matte lines removed.

When Vader's helmet is removed, his eyebrows are gone and his eyes are recolored to match Hayden's still played by Shaw.

Naboo is now part of the celebration

Jedi temple appears in the background of the coresunt celebration

Hayden Christensen replaces Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost. Lucas explains this in the commentary, which is spoilerish for Episode III.
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OK, check out this image from the DVD menus...

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/feature/20040908/20040908_picview/img/5.jpg

I want to know if the markings on the docking bay floor were always there or are they a new addition???
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does anyone else think the new Jabba looks very flat...
almost like a moving cardboard cutout...

there's no depth to him at all
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Jabba looks (because he *is*) very forced into the scene.
I didn't even begin to feel like he was part of the interaction.

Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap if you ask me.

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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Jabba looks (because he *is*) very forced into the scene.
I didn't even begin to feel like he was part of the interaction.

Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap if you ask me.


God there is no pleasing you people. Other then releasing the unfinshed rough cuts
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Rough cuts my ass.

A film out in the public distribution, theatre, home video, etc for over twenty five years is not a rough cut, nor unfinished.

The '97 SE was a "rough cut" but not the originals. George never intended on doing a "SE" later when he made them.

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"Rough cut", "rough draft"...

Balderdash!

"Rough cut" means it's only going to see the inside of the round file.

Short shelf life.

TRASH.

Is that what the O-OT is?
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I just want to say a cople of things about these changes to the flims for the dvds I think there good. I like the anakin change in ROTJ it tie in all 6 flims together. If you think about it besides when luke takes off his father's mask we never see him in his older form. To all those who cry and complain about these changes get over it allready george lucas is the one who made these flims. He can make any changes he wants to. George Lucas is a great flimmaker if it was'nt for him we whould'nt have all those summer blockbusters we see today.
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rough cuts?!?!?!?!

jimbo i think i speak for everyone on this board when i tell you to pull your head out of your ass...

i would continue but we all know you want to bear Lucas' children anyway...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Hi guys, new poster here. I've been reading these forums and have been thorougly entertained and annoyed by Jimbo's comments. However, he has crossed the line with his "unfinished rough cuts" comment and has prompted me to sign up and post this one message. See what happens to me when I get angry? I SIGN ONTO MESSAGE BOARDS, THAT'S WHAT.

Anyways, Jimbo, not to start a war or anything, but is a rough cut a movie that gets released, gets brilliant reviews, prompts two other excellent movies, and then gets revised crappily? Think about it. Open your eyes.

That's all for now.
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I'm not sure how the new Han/Jabba scene looks in motion, but in all the stills that I've seen Han doesn't make proper eye contact with Jabba, he always appears to be talking to Jabba's shoulder.

and I still don't understand how Luke is supposed to figure out who the young guy is standing next to Obi-Wan and Yoda?
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"Ironically, the documentary in its segment on "Jedi" does contain one image Lucas might have missed: the finale lineup of Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan with Shaw, not Christensen, in his rightful place."

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OK, check out this image from the DVD menus...



I want to know if the markings on the docking bay floor were always there or are they a new addition???


Well spotted!

They were markings on the docking bay floor, but there is a new one to the right, with some stormtroopers added! I don't know if this change is from the '97 special edition (I don't have them), the 2004 DVD (I don't have them either, and I may never have them!) or if this has been changed only for the menus?

(still taken from the TR47 LD rip)

Han: Hey Lando! You kept your promise, right? Not a scratch?
Lando: Well, what’s left of her isn’t scratched. All the scratched parts got knocked off along the way.
Han (exasperated): Knocked off?!

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Originally posted by: chenster22
Anyways, Jimbo, not to start a war or anything, but is a rough cut a movie that gets released, gets brilliant reviews, prompts two other excellent movies, and then gets revised crappily? Think about it. Open your eyes.

That's all for now.


Don't forget "wins Oscars." Only time I've heard of a rough cut of a film winning Oscars. The Academy must've lowered its standards, eh?
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