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Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!
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Originally posted by: Jedi Master DJR
I cannot believe to what ends purism seems to be driving people. I cannot believe after watching that scene the way it should have been from the start, people...... purists especially........honestly........want....monkey-eyes. I cannot fathom it, I'm sorry. And as for Vader being obsessed with young Skywalker, then says "How is that possible?". Don't you get it, he's LYING? Is that impossible for a Sith of all people! I'm not mad at anyone, don't me wrong, but this is a thousand times better then that excuse of hack for an Emperor. What I saw just then was the real and true Emperor. I think to me, this will go down as one of my favorite changes, right with Ben and Vader's lightsabers, fixed snowspeeders, and fixed Rancor.
As a sidenote, please don't think I don't respect your opinion, I'm just having a hard time understanding it. And yes, I did sign the petion, etc.... but I just don't get it. Call me Lucas butt kisser all you might want to, but I like it very much. That's my two cents.
Thank you. I totally agree this is a very good change. The change to the wampa is still my favorite Special Edition change. Changes like Haydens head or Greedo shooting first are one thing I can understand. I too can't phathom why anyone would want to watch emty cities, hidden monsters, fuzzy lightsabers, matt lines, dewbacks that don't move, blobs under land speeder, or an old women Emperor with chimpanzze (not monkey) eyes.
"Emty" Cities - Because I liked the mood that was better evoked by the original Mos Eisley. Made it feel like a town out of A Fistful of Dollars or The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (as Star Wars was originally made as a western)
Hidden Monsters - A lot more suspenseful. Ever heard the saying "a little goes a long way?" By showing us everything head on, it ruins quite a bit of mood, especially for this particular scene.
Fuzzy Lightsabers - I like the new sabers.
"Matt" lines - I like their removal
Dewbacks that don't move - I don't mind the dewbacks so much.
Blobs under the landspeeder - Eh, the new one is OK.
Old Woman Emperor - Still looks a lot better than the new one IMO.
But mostly, we purists want the original because that was what was there in 1977. I can take some of the new changes, and enjoy them, but give me the originals any day. After all, no one in the seventies was talking about the dewbacks and lack of a monster, now where they?
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It is the change of the lines that I'm unhappy with.
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Giving him premature-revealing dialogue- Bad Idea
His make up job and blank expression kill that scene horribly. His face is expressionless and doesn't match the voice. "Yeeess, he would be a great asset." with his eyes staring off in the same direction.
The old Emporer in that scene at least looked like he was thinking. "Yesss... yes. He would be a great asset." His eyes reflect what he is supposed to be thinking.
I just don't like how it turned out. The new dialogue alone is enough for me to prefer the old version.
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Putting Ian in the ESB Emperor scene- Good Idea
Giving him premature-revealing dialogue- Bad Idea
His make up job and blank expression kill that scene horribly. His face is expressionless and doesn't match the voice. "Yeeess, he would be a great asset." with his eyes staring off in the same direction.
The old Emporer in that scene at least looked like he was thinking. "Yesss... yes. He would be a great asset." His eyes reflect what he is supposed to be thinking.
I just don't like how it turned out. The new dialogue alone is enough for me to prefer the old version.
By saying that you are saying a chimpanzze acted better then Ian McDarmid. I thought he looked fin.
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I for one can't wait for the DVDs.
I'm getting my new fuck off tv tomorrow, so happy days come sept 20th!!!
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Putting Ian in the ESB Emperor scene- Good Idea
Giving him premature-revealing dialogue- Bad Idea
His make up job and blank expression kill that scene horribly. His face is expressionless and doesn't match the voice. "Yeeess, he would be a great asset." with his eyes staring off in the same direction.
The old Emporer in that scene at least looked like he was thinking. "Yesss... yes. He would be a great asset." His eyes reflect what he is supposed to be thinking.
I just don't like how it turned out. The new dialogue alone is enough for me to prefer the old version.
By saying that you are saying a chimpanzze acted better then Ian McDarmid. I thought he looked fin.
Well, the fact is it did act better. It looks like the pasted a moving mouth onto a still image of the Emperor.
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lol
and when did the ghost all of a sudden go from having a bluish tint to them like they did in ROTJ...
to this shit
if that's not a bad change then i dont know what is...
theres no way of trying to justify this..
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I know what you are saying, but I just can't wait to have em on dvd.
Oh yeah baby!!!
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
I prefer the chimpanzee..
lol
and when did the ghost all of a sudden go from having a bluish tint to them like they did in ROTJ...
to this shit
if that's not a bad change then i dont know what is...
theres no way of trying to justify this..
That isn't a change.
The second image is from ESB, and Lucas didn't give Obi-wan such a strong bluish tint in it. I know exactly what scene that image is from. Obi-wan is saying "Don't give into hate. That path leads to the dark side." He's not as translucent because its when Luke is lifting off the planet.
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
I prefer the chimpanzee..
lol
and when did the ghost all of a sudden go from having a bluish tint to them like they did in ROTJ...
to this shit
if that's not a bad change then i dont know what is...
theres no way of trying to justify this..
That isn't a change.
The second image is from ESB, and Lucas didn't give Obi-wan such a strong bluish tint in it. I know exactly what scene that image is from. Obi-wan is saying "Don't give into hate. That path leads to the dark side." He's so bright because its when Luke is lifting off the planet.
Thank you again. I remember him always looking less blue in that scene. It looks even better as the result of the remastering.
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
Actually I checked the original theatrical cuts and noticed that they actually didn't change the sound in the footage that exists in the original cuts, but they added another short shot of Slave I cruising through the debris, where it's engine sound transitions into the sound familiar from ep2.
If you mean the shot of the Falcon passing the camera followed by Slave 1 after the Imperial fleet go to lightspeed, that was in the SE.
As for the new Emperor, I honestly think that the new one looks pretty bad. It doesn't look like him at all. We're better off with the dark, "we can barely make him out" look of the original. Who cares if it's a chimp?
Made for IE Forum's Episode III theme month - May 2005.
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A. This new scene with the Emperor has the fully revealed face, like the original, that looks much closer to ROTJ Emperor.
B. Same voice, instead of different.
C. The dialogue is not more revealing, in my opinion. If someone is watching the Classic Trilogy for the first time before the Prequal Trilogy on the DVD here, the line could very easily be seen from the point of view of you would get from Obi in the hovel. My guess would be the line with Vader would thought of like, "How is that possible?".........I killed him years ago........you see what I mean?
D. For those who say, well he was obsessed with Skywalker, so why does he ask. There is C. and also maybe Vader thinks this is the son of another Skywalker, not Anakin but maybe his brother or something. Possibly it's Anakin's nephew or something like that. Another possibilty is he is lying. Or if you watch the prequals first and don't know Anakin is Vader, maybe Vader asked it because Jedi are not supposed to have children.
To Luke Skywalker, I would say it is dependent upon how much Obi-Wan is focusing to show his identity to Luke. When he is talking like a person, he looks more real. However when he wants simply to be seen only, you can see more of the force in him. Assuming he wants to be seen, considering he only talks at first in Yoda' Hut after his reveal physically on Hoth. Also I think this explanation is needed for the OT as well, he looks less blue in shots when he is talking and his blueness varies just in general between ESB and ROTJ.
To bad_karma24, I would say that both the old and new Emperor scenes have Emperor's who move very little, they are both pretty stationary. The biggest difference to me was the fact that the old Emperor seems to be blinking more.
And those are the DJR Opinions for this Post.
Edit: Forgot to say to HotRod, I share your feelings, I can't wait either. I am downloading the rips right now to hold me over until the DVD's are on sell.
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However, I can point out that Vader obviously knows who Luke is long before the Emperor scene. Remember he says, 'That's it. The Rebels are there. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them.' Therefore his asking the Emperor, 'How is that possible?' seems redundant. Why is he asking about something that he already knows the answer to? This seem to fall into the area of godd idea but bad execution. This doesn't seem like it was thought out properly.
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(Shades of Harry Potter's Philosopher having to be renamed to sorcerer spring to mind)
Ah well, I suppose we all have the power to edit our own versions nowadays and to hell with GL's stupid decisions.
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Ok, I haven't heard the 'new Emperor' scene dialoge, but from what I've read it doesn't sound good. I'll have to wait and see.
However, I can point out that Vader obviously knows who Luke is long before the Emperor scene. Remember he says, 'That's it. The Rebels are there. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them.' Therefore his asking the Emperor, 'How is that possible?' seems redundant. Why is he asking about something that he already knows the answer to? This seem to fall into the area of godd idea but bad execution. This doesn't seem like it was thought out properly.
Well, Vader seems to be schemening more now. In the original version, he already downplays Luke by saying "Obi-Wan can no longer help him." Also he saves Luke's butt by saving, "If he could be turned, he could be a powerful ally." Considering the Emperor wanted him dead up to that point, before Vader mentioned turning him, I would say the line simply enhances the general sense of that scene. Also, there was a user on MF.com that had the excellent idea, perhaps Skywalker is a Star Wars name like Antilles. Maybe Skywalker is really like another Smith name or something. That might explain the futher emphasis as the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
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I just can't understand why GL has decided to blow the lid on what the Emporer and Jabba look like so early on in the story line. That would have been half of the mystery for future generations to finally see in episode 6. It doesn't bode so well as to how he's going to reveal who Sidious really is in Episode 3. No disrespect to anyone but I reckon GL must think that the Star Wars movie going population is as stupid as the corporate hollywood fuck-heads he comes into contact with on a regular basis.
(Shades of Harry Potter's Philosopher having to be renamed to sorcerer spring to mind)
Ah well, I suppose we all have the power to edit our own versions nowadays and to hell with GL's stupid decisions.
As for the Emperor, I would say that is inevitable. I mean with ANH and ESB, GL had the luxury of playing him to the side, but in the prequal trilogy when you have to show his ascent to power and destruction of the Jedi Order, that I can understand, his being revealed. As for Jabba, I "once thought as you do." However I recently looked at it from a new angle. Originally Jabba is mentioned in ANH, ESB, then revealed in ROTJ. Now with in TPM and ANH, it creates an interesting difference. The first is Jabba seems more menacing, he's described along with the other Hutts as a "gangster", we learn its not he is on Tatooine but controls it, and the mere mention of Hutts getting involved practically shuts up Watto about the deal with Ani, out of fear and resignation I would say. Then there is ANH. Han shoots first and then cowardly leaves Tatooine and Jabba. Why do I say cowardly? Because remember the first line he says to Greedo? "I was just on my way to see your boss." Not only did Han not do that originally, he admits in that sentence he COULD honestly go to Jabba, then later he doesn't. The next scene he's prepping the Falcon to leave. Now in the SE and DVD, while Greedo shoots first and Han is a nicer guy, he's also got equal or more balls. Why? Not only does he see Jabba, he purposefully steps on Jabba's tail (ruler of planet if seeing PT) AND negoiates the % he owns him down. If you watched the prequals first also, with Boba Fett standing right there to easily shoot him if needed! So I think the introduction justifies it there, personally to me.
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Heres a link They have put up a montoge of the new Boba voice. I must say listening to it makes it very unfortunite. His voice isn't bad but it lacks the coolness and the lower more sinister voice as before. Tem Morson really seems like he is just rushing through the lines. He sounded better in Attack of the Clones. They could at least get him to try to sound as angry and sinister as the original Boba (Does anyone know his name). I am totally against Lucas on this change.
I disagree. We know without a shadow of a doubt Boba Fett is Jango Fett's unaltered clone. Now judging from the fact he emulates and honors his father, by wearing similar armor, flying his ship, etc.... it seems likely with a loner like Boba that the only stuff he would listen to and such would be teachings of his father. Plus the Kaminoans seemed to have made all clone voices identical at adulthood, probably to distinguish them as clones. All they did with Boba was no messing with his genetic structure and no growth acceleration. Hence the voice is the same. I also think Morrison does a fine job with the lines, as did the original voice actor. I think overall, as with the Emperor, the performance was equal and the continuity among the films is better established.
And so ends the DJR Opinions for this Post.
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You gotta understand that Empire is my fave film of all time. It's my No. 1!!
Thats why I'm going to buy the DVDs. I sound like a twat. I don't like the changes, but I'm still gonna buy the set. But I just want to see the films in the best quality I can. Thats why I bought every VHS release in this country. The next release was always better. 'Widescreen', 'Digitally Remastered', 'Digitally Remasterd with superior sound' or whatever. Now I'll see them better than ever before!
Good stuff, but I do contradict myself too much!
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Continuity may now be there, but Fetts original voice is partly the reason I loved every scene he was in. Especially the Lando - Fett stare out, just after the Han torture thing. "He's no good to me dead". It's just not the same now!
You gotta understand that Empire is my fave film of all time. It's my No. 1!!
Thats why I'm going to buy the DVDs. I sound like a twat. I don't like the changes, but I'm still gonna buy the set. But I just want to see the films in the best quality I can. Thats why I bought every VHS release in this country. The next release was always better. 'Widescreen', 'Digitally Remastered', 'Digitally Remasterd with superior sound' or whatever. Now I'll see them better than ever before!
Good stuff, but I do contradict myself too much!
You have to not be so hard on yourself, it is hard to accept the changes, at the time. It is the essence of a Star Wars change, not bad, bad, good, great, but you can't have the original. It is bittersweet.
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Its not that the new voice is bad. Its actually pretty good. Still the old voice just sounds more sinister and better in my opinon.
The jury is still out with me, I like the change but I am sure I will eventually develop a preference one way or the other.
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Originally posted by: R2
Honestly, in my opinion the changing Boba's voice is just ridiculous and overly picky on GL's part. The whole, 'so that he and Jango sound the same because Boba is a clone of Jango' thing is just dumb. Why was this such a thorn in George's side? This to me is a pointless waste of time and money. I'd much rather see deleted scenes for all of the films on the DVDs rather than have the money squandered on an insignificant voice change.
But if GL did that, what would he have to get more sales for some future HD-DVD set?
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