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lol..
"solo hop"
sounds like some sort of cheesy fad dance in the 70s or 80s...
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lol..
"solo hop"
sounds like some sort of cheesy fad dance in the 70s or 80s...


Nope, just cheesy special effects. Though I'm sure if that Millennium Falcon disco had been built, it might have been.


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Does anyone know when we will see the dvds menus for the dvds of the sw trilogy? Also does any have any caps of the fixed lightsaber from ANH?
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The TFN message board has a few shots up from the French version of the DVD trailer.

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Have those lightsabers been tampered with?

Anyone have a screenshot of the original to compare it to?

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This video is just more proff that the changes are happening. You forget Lucasfilm was also very quiet over the changes made to Indiana Jones. The bits reported these changes and they all happened. The bits knows what they are talking about. I am very happy about this change. While I prefer this scene in its original form I think it looks alot better then the 1997 Special Edition. With this fix I no longer hate the Han and Greedo change. My main problem with this scene was that it looked so technologically bad. While the change is still overly politically correct and unnessessary it no longer looks technologically bad. This and the better Jabba animation planned will both fill in the two biggest complaints about the 1997 Special Edition. Which were pretty much my only complaints.
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I guess I don't mind the lightsaber touch-up, though I've always wondered if Obi-Wan's lightsaber was blue or green (despite the blue lightsaber that came with my Obi-Wan action figure). Some moments it seemed blue; at others, it appeared to be green. The only problem with touching up the lightsabers (other than the fact that future generations won't get to see how they evolved over thirty years), is that now I have to definitively regard Obi-Wan's lightsaber as blue. I kind of liked the ambiguity; it was fun.
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Id like to see the pic of the new digital Jabba. A better Jabba won't be as hard as many think. The digital Jabba in The Phantom Menace was much better then the digital Jabba in the A New Hope 1997 Special Edition. All Industrial Light and Magic has to do is take the 1997 Jabba wireframe and add the better Phantom Menace Jabba over it. The better lightsabers is something that should have been done in 1997. In fact that would have been the first change I would have made if I was improving the original movies. I doubt it will be that hard to do. All of these changes can be made without conflicting with Episode 3s production. Work on the Star Wars trilogy has never stoped. Also these 2004 DVDs are not the final versions of the movie.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
The digital Jabba in The Phantom Menace was much better then the digital Jabba in the A New Hope 1997 Special Edition.

That didn't take much considering how shitty the SE Jabba was. God he was awful.
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I didn't find the A New Hope Jabba that bad looking. But he definutly could have been better. He is one the lesser effects of the Special Editions. With how excellent the digital ships in the Special Edition look they really should have put that effort into Jabba. In The Phantom Menace Jabba looked much better. He was such a vast improvement. The digital bits says they can confirm that the old lesser Jabba will be replaced with a much better one for the 2004 DVDs. I don't know if Han will still step on his tail I guess we will find out in September.
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I thought I read somewhere that Han is not supposed to be stepping on his tail anymore. We shall see.

The reason why the SE Jabba is so bad to me is because he looks so different than ROTJ Jabba. And there is only a difference of four years between each appearance. SE Jabba looks more like the PT Jabba which is expected because they used roughly the same effects. However, I think seeing a big difference in Jabba from the PT to the SE is more acceptable than from ANH: SE to ROTJ because of the elapsed time between each. With so many years from TPM to ANH, it's understandable that Jabba's appearance can change that dramatically. But in four years to have changed that much? I doubt it. Jabba ain't using Weight Gainer 3000. I mean, he's nice and big and comfortable with his size in ROTJ. But he looks much thinner and gaunt in ANH. That's a helluvalot of crabs (or whatever is in his feed bucket) to have eaten to gain that kinda weight. Know what I mean?
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We all know why he's thiner: so he could fit on that pre-determined space.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
We all know why he's thiner: so he could fit on that pre-determined space.



LOL.

The SE Jabba seriously bothers me because he looks so unlike the ROTJ version. I always saw Jabba as this immobile, hideous gangster who moved seldom and with much effort when he did. He's also very nice in ANH. There's obviously some comraderie between Solo and Hutt, but honestly...is this guy a ruthless gangster by just calling people "my boy"? It also does not help that not much effort was put into it by the ILM team if the stories are true (hmmm I wonder why they'd not want to work on a project like this ).

The whole thing is a mess. Touch ups are one thing, but I can imagine it'd be hard enough to create Jabba if the actor hadn't been there. And for what it's worth, the TPM Jabba looked kinda weak. He's a puppet creation, and darn it he should stay one. Watch From Star Wars to Jedi and you'll see those pupetteers had PERSONALITY. They all gave some kind of life to him. The smoking guy, the tail waggler ("Backward and forward, backward and forward..."), etc. A CG Jabba is a bunch of wires.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
We all know why he's thiner: so he could fit on that pre-determined space.



LOL.

The SE Jabba seriously bothers me because he looks so unlike the ROTJ version. I always saw Jabba as this immobile, hideous gangster who moved seldom and with much effort when he did. He's also very nice in ANH. There's obviously some comraderie between Solo and Hutt, but honestly...is this guy a ruthless gangster by just calling people "my boy"? It also does not help that not much effort was put into it by the ILM team if the stories are true (hmmm I wonder why they'd not want to work on a project like this ).

The whole thing is a mess. Touch ups are one thing, but I can imagine it'd be hard enough to create Jabba if the actor hadn't been there. And for what it's worth, the TPM Jabba looked kinda weak. He's a puppet creation, and darn it he should stay one. Watch From Star Wars to Jedi and you'll see those pupetteers had PERSONALITY. They all gave some kind of life to him. The smoking guy, the tail waggler ("Backward and forward, backward and forward..."), etc. A CG Jabba is a bunch of wires.


And equally so, it has always annoyed me when Leia is pulled into Jabba's chest you can see the cheap "skin" material used give way as if she is falling onto a paracheut. The puppet Jabba looks very "fake" compared to TPM Jabba. I've always felt that alot of the early scenes in ROTJ have dated the film. I mean, when I watch ESB, I feel that it was filmed 20 years AFTER ROTJ, 3 before.
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My cousin told me that Hutt's skin changes rapidly until a certain age. Still, for something that took them a year to do(according to period interviews) it was rather awful. The coloration was wrong, his arms were wrong, and he looked completely phoney. Also, the scene is completely superfluous to the story. Jabba just repeats what Greedo says. It's so similar, I got the feeling Greedo was added to make up for Jabba being cut. It also make little sense that Jabba would see Han himself. Usually, he'd send a man named Heater(I think, I know Hearter wored for him, it's been awhile) to stand in for him, sense the guy was so ugly, and most people had never seen a Hutt.(That kind of got thrown out the window in TPM). So, given the bad effects, it might have been better just to redub Solo so he doesn't say "Jabba" anymore.(if I remember, it was Heater that met him in the radio dramas). It shouldn't be hard sense they removed the "Yes" from "Yes, I bet you have".

As for the "excellent" ships, part of the reason I hated the SE is because the SFX are below ILM's efforts. They're just too half-assed. The changing windows in ESB, the cartoonish CGI characters, and the reused models in the Yavin battle. Look at the X-wings in that battle. When they're coming up to the Death Star, look them over. You'll notice that they all have the same number of stripes on the wing, the same astromech droid, and rust in the same places Would it have been that hard to scan more than one or two models. That's how it's normally done. Every X-wing was a different model in the original. All ILM did in 97 was change the stripe on a few. They also forgot to fix that fact that Luke gets into a X-wing with a solid stripe, yet flys one with a broken stipe in battle. Sure, they had little more then a year to do it, but all the materials were premade. Lucas saved everything. I could understand if it were from scatch but it wasn't. Two monthes before the SE came out, Star Trek: First Contact had beautiful SFX by ILM. Did Lucas only put part of his team to work on the SE's? They look more like the group that represents ILM recently, where groups like Weta and Digital Domain have been exceeding them. Not the top quality we're used to from ILM. Why would Lucas leave something that's supposed to "fix" his movies up to such a shoddy performence. I just don't get it. If its suppose to improve, why are there new errors? An incorrect Jabba, unfinished changes, X-wings taking off next to an outpost that's supposed to be far away. A new battle establisment shot that makes it look like the Death Star is right in front of Yavin 4's moon. Not to mention all the errors that were left, like the lightsabers, the incorrect Death Star Plans, and the Rancor's matt line. It just didn't look like the work of ILM, nor like something that was supposed to "improve" something once and for all. They looked even more unfinished.

Of course, some interviews suggested that the SE was simply an excuse to test out new techniques for the PT, or just to pique interest in the re-release. The latter isn't really founded, but the former was stated as a reason. ILM is the fore-runner of special effects. Only James Cameron's Digital Domain and Peter Jackson's Weta Workshop and Weta Digital even come close to them in quality. Given the amount of work they get, I doubt they needed the OT to flex their muscles. I don't know about you, but I don't think I like the idea that the OT was merely a testbed for special effects. It really gives the impression that it's all about special effects in the end. Silly me, I though it was about story and character.

Sorry for the tirade. Sometimes these things get in my head and I have trouble writing them down. Just my opinions on somethings. Lucas can do what he wants as long as he gives what some of the fans want. It wouldn't hurt if he put more effort into things as well.


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...anyone want me to post some screenshots from the french DVD trailer for discussion???
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I've heard of the trailer, but I haven't seen it yet. What's it like?
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And equally so, it has always annoyed me when Leia is pulled into Jabba's chest you can see the cheap "skin" material used give way as if she is falling onto a paracheut. The puppet Jabba looks very "fake" compared to TPM Jabba. I've always felt that alot of the early scenes in ROTJ have dated the film. I mean, when I watch ESB, I feel that it was filmed 20 years AFTER ROTJ, 3 before.


jimbo you have no clue what looks fake...
the ROTJ Jabba had nothing fake about him...
"paracheut"????? what the hell are you?

a paracheut expert...
lol

man can we still create polls on here...
i wanna see how many people think the SE ANH jabba looked fake or did the OT ROTJ jabba look fake..
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Luke Luke Luke. Poor poor simple Luke. Hardcore Legend posted that not me. I have nothing against the puppet Jabba in Return of the Jedi. Except that he didn't move. You have to learn to read more fully before you post and to start respecting others opinions.
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Luke Luke Luke. Poor poor simple Luke. Hardcore Legend posted that not me. I have nothing against the puppet Jabba in Return of the Jedi. Except that he didn't move. You have to learn to read more fully before you post and to start respecting others opinions.


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Was the cell bay changed I couldn't tell. It looked like the lightsabers were better but I could be wrong. The third one is just an example of remastering not a change.
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And equally so, it has always annoyed me when Leia is pulled into Jabba's chest you can see the cheap "skin" material used give way as if she is falling onto a paracheut. The puppet Jabba looks very "fake" compared to TPM Jabba. I've always felt that alot of the early scenes in ROTJ have dated the film. I mean, when I watch ESB, I feel that it was filmed 20 years AFTER ROTJ, 3 before.


jimbo you have no clue what looks fake...
the ROTJ Jabba had nothing fake about him...
"paracheut"????? what the hell are you?

a paracheut expert...
lol

man can we still create polls on here...
i wanna see how many people think the SE ANH jabba looked fake or did the OT ROTJ jabba look fake..



Well, seing as I was the one that said it, I will respond. I never said anything about the SE ANH looking good, I said that the Jabba in the Phantom Menace looked more realistic than the puppet in ROTJ. I'm sorry, but a puppet will always be a puppet. You can tell everytime. The only exception is with Yoda in ESB, but even then if you know anything about film you still look for the camera tricks that are used to hide it. I'm not a CGI fanboy, but I can't with a clear soul pass into the next life saying that the Jabba in ROTJ looked real, I mean, the man had no throat, just a mouth and toungue.
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Cheers for posting them, Stale Elvis.

The Death Star explosion scene looks interesting.

Any other changes any know of?


Yeah, it does. I guess I wouldn't mind seeing the new Death Star explosion.

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