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Density said:

SilverWook said:

People are also illegally selling Harmy’s work on Ebay. If that doesn’t prove there’s a market…

Look, I have no doubt that there is a market. In fact I’ve stated repeatedly that there is, that it would sell and that Disney would turn a profit on it. That’s not up for debate. Studios release decent restorations of archive films all the time with much more niche audiences. There’s no doubt this would dwarf them in sells. But that’s not the question. The question, from Disney’s perspective, is whether it’s worth bothering with until:

A. They have all the rights.
B. They are done milking their own, more lucrative new trilogy.

So like I and a few others here have said, 2020 looks like the new goalpost.

At this point, if I’m still alive in 2020, I will be very surprised.
And what’s to keep them from yanking the football away once again three years from now, in Lucy Van Pelt-ian glee? Not getting any younger here. 😉

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SilverWook said:
Wouldn’t it be easier to have a character in the sequel die when they were supposed to, rather than alter the date given in the original movie though? 😉

I don’t know, I’ve never seen the sequel. But a Google search tells me they wanted the character to die on New Year’s Eve specifically as part of the narrative, so the date had to be changed. Whatever.

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JawsTDS said:

“I shot first” was said during the Smuggler’s Revenge audio story and the entire audience clapped and cheered. You don’t think people get that the films were changed?

And lest we forget, the ultimate rubbing salt in the wound…

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flametitan said:

If you go to other Star Wars communities (Reddit specifically in my example), what I end up seeing are people who know the SE was changed, but want a cut that reverts the meme changes (Han Solo shooting first, NOOOOOOO!) but retains some of the more drastic changes (like the CGI fighters, Hayden as Anakin’s ghost, nevermind some people don’t seem to realize anything’s wrong with the colour grading)

I.E. the Star Wars community seems to want Revisted, not the OOT.

Yeah, that’s another thing. The younglings who grew up on and like the SEs and prequels, who populate reddit and TFN and other boards… They represent a larger slice of the SW fan base now than this site does. The fact is the SEs in one form or another have now been around as long as the originals were pre-SE. Longer, in fact, in the case of ESB and ROTJ.

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SilverWook said:
At this point, if I’m still alive in 2020, I will be very surprised.
And what’s to keep them from yanking the football away once again three years from now, in Lucy Van Pelt-ian glee? Not getting any younger here. 😉

Oh there’s no guaranteeing they won’t. I would not put it past them. Maybe it will be 2023 when the whole trilogy is 40 years old. Maybe everything will be VR by the time it comes out. Maybe they will wait until George dies. Maybe they never will and we’ll forever have to cling to these preservations until we all die out. In any case, at this point I would just say we shouldn’t count on anything. I was so sure it was going to happen this year and be announced this week and then… It wasn’t. That was it for me. That was my last “hope” for Disney, gone. I just don’t care anymore. I’m just glad this site is around.

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Density said:

SilverWook said:
Wouldn’t it be easier to have a character in the sequel die when they were supposed to, rather than alter the date given in the original movie though? 😉

I don’t know, I’ve never seen the sequel. But a Google search tells me they wanted the character to die on New Year’s Eve specifically as part of the narrative, so the date had to be changed. Whatever.

Just like the OOT had to be changed to conform to three movies made two decades later. Whatever. 😉

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SilverWook said:

Density said:

SilverWook said:
Wouldn’t it be easier to have a character in the sequel die when they were supposed to, rather than alter the date given in the original movie though? 😉

I don’t know, I’ve never seen the sequel. But a Google search tells me they wanted the character to die on New Year’s Eve specifically as part of the narrative, so the date had to be changed. Whatever.

Just like the OOT had to be changed to conform to three movies made two decades later. Whatever. 😉

A date being slightly changed in an on-screen text epilogue in a film that I don’t really care about is pretty different to me from throwing Hayden Christensen into one of the defining films of my childhood. I literally could not possibly care less about the former and don’t think it’s the same thing at all.

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SilverWook said:

Density said:

SilverWook said:

People are also illegally selling Harmy’s work on Ebay. If that doesn’t prove there’s a market…

Look, I have no doubt that there is a market. In fact I’ve stated repeatedly that there is, that it would sell and that Disney would turn a profit on it. That’s not up for debate. Studios release decent restorations of archive films all the time with much more niche audiences. There’s no doubt this would dwarf them in sells. But that’s not the question. The question, from Disney’s perspective, is whether it’s worth bothering with until:

A. They have all the rights.
B. They are done milking their own, more lucrative new trilogy.

So like I and a few others here have said, 2020 looks like the new goalpost.

At this point, if I’m still alive in 2020, I will be very surprised.

I read this to mean you don’t expect to be alive in three years!

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TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

Density said:

SilverWook said:

People are also illegally selling Harmy’s work on Ebay. If that doesn’t prove there’s a market…

Look, I have no doubt that there is a market. In fact I’ve stated repeatedly that there is, that it would sell and that Disney would turn a profit on it. That’s not up for debate. Studios release decent restorations of archive films all the time with much more niche audiences. There’s no doubt this would dwarf them in sells. But that’s not the question. The question, from Disney’s perspective, is whether it’s worth bothering with until:

A. They have all the rights.
B. They are done milking their own, more lucrative new trilogy.

So like I and a few others here have said, 2020 looks like the new goalpost.

At this point, if I’m still alive in 2020, I will be very surprised.

I read this to mean you don’t expect to be alive in three years!

It’s just health issues keep getting in the way of things lately. I’m not dying or anything. Don’t mind me!

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Density said:

SilverWook said:

Density said:

SilverWook said:
Wouldn’t it be easier to have a character in the sequel die when they were supposed to, rather than alter the date given in the original movie though? 😉

I don’t know, I’ve never seen the sequel. But a Google search tells me they wanted the character to die on New Year’s Eve specifically as part of the narrative, so the date had to be changed. Whatever.

Just like the OOT had to be changed to conform to three movies made two decades later. Whatever. 😉

A date being slightly changed in an on-screen text epilogue in a film that I don’t really care about is pretty different to me from throwing Hayden Christensen into one of the defining films of my childhood. I literally could not possibly care less about the former and don’t think it’s the same thing at all.

It was George’s first step on the path to the cinematic revisionism dark side though. 😉

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According to the social trend site I used to see how many times the term Unaltered Star Wars has been googled, it’s over a hundred million. Time span of 2014-2017

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I will post the details when I’m infront of a keyboard and mouse and not a smart phone.

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I used Google Trends to find that number

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2020 is not acceptable. Why not just move the goalpost to 2027 while we’re at it? Kennedy is proving to be worse than Lucas ever was.

They have the power to end twenty years of darkness, and they tell us to go see TLJ first, INSTEAD OF GIVING US THE ONLY THING WE HAVE EVER CARED ABOUT. The originals are the only versions that should exist. This needs to be rectified IMMEDIATELY, because the trilogy is too important to exist as a counterfeit version created by a lunatic in the 90s. This is the worst form of cultural erasure in American history, and I don’t care if I’m repeating myself over and over again.

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generalfrevious said:

I don’t care if I’m repeating myself over and over again.

Too bad. You’re still gonna be called out for it.

If Disney has the OOT preserved, then they shouldn’t keep it shelved for three more years just because they want to focus on making the most money from the new movies.

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To add to what crissrudd is saying, I feel like waiting another three years has other advantages for Lucasfilm aside from just the rights issue.

Some people are only just now getting around to buying the 2011 set. I honestly feel like we weren’t going to see a major reissue with actual new content until the time came to put the movies out on the next format. We’re only a year into 4k discs being a thing, and Star Wars has taken a long while to hit each new format.

To me, this is yet another sign pointing to 2020.

Mmm, this sounds awfully familiar. Before celebration the 40th anniversary was the most logical time for a release. Now that it doesn’t seem to pan out, things are pointing to 2020.

I don’t want to pessimistic, but from what we know from Mike Verta’s interactions with Disney, info from Disney’s restoration people, and Pablo Hidalgo, releasing the OOT is not a priority. So, there certainly seem to be no plans for a release in 2020, or otherwise. It appears to simply not be on the agenda, at all.

Hopefully, Mike Verta’s pitch has happened, and has set things in motion. However, I very much doubt Disney and Lucasfilm will have their own plans. There’s a new 4K restoration for ANH for sure, conformed to the SE. So, a new 4K mastered SE release may be pending, with some additional material, such as the Tarkin footage shown at celebration, but an OOT release seems unlikely, unless Mike Verta can convince them of the merits of his restoration.

I have not seen the original versions in almost seven years. There is no way in hell I am waiting another three years AT LEAST to see them again. I would take back everything bad I have said about TFA and RO if Disney releases the originals this year. Otherwise I can’t tolerate this carrot and stick approach any longer.

I’m not going to lie…like a year ago this post would have gotten me mad but now I revel in the fact that someone…anyone who hates the new K-Canon films admits that they have an irrational hatred of them that their opinion is not based on the quality of the movies themselves. Yeah, knowing this is a fact prematurely is nice but confirmation is better. Thank you.

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Guys, we are the only keepers of the light. Like Roland Deschain, I have faith that someday we will reach the dark tower, but only of our own accord.

Luke threw twice…maybe.

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Lord Haseo said:

generalfrevious said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

To add to what crissrudd is saying, I feel like waiting another three years has other advantages for Lucasfilm aside from just the rights issue.

Some people are only just now getting around to buying the 2011 set. I honestly feel like we weren’t going to see a major reissue with actual new content until the time came to put the movies out on the next format. We’re only a year into 4k discs being a thing, and Star Wars has taken a long while to hit each new format.

To me, this is yet another sign pointing to 2020.

Mmm, this sounds awfully familiar. Before celebration the 40th anniversary was the most logical time for a release. Now that it doesn’t seem to pan out, things are pointing to 2020.

I don’t want to pessimistic, but from what we know from Mike Verta’s interactions with Disney, info from Disney’s restoration people, and Pablo Hidalgo, releasing the OOT is not a priority. So, there certainly seem to be no plans for a release in 2020, or otherwise. It appears to simply not be on the agenda, at all.

Hopefully, Mike Verta’s pitch has happened, and has set things in motion. However, I very much doubt Disney and Lucasfilm will have their own plans. There’s a new 4K restoration for ANH for sure, conformed to the SE. So, a new 4K mastered SE release may be pending, with some additional material, such as the Tarkin footage shown at celebration, but an OOT release seems unlikely, unless Mike Verta can convince them of the merits of his restoration.

I have not seen the original versions in almost seven years. There is no way in hell I am waiting another three years AT LEAST to see them again. I would take back everything bad I have said about TFA and RO if Disney releases the originals this year. Otherwise I can’t tolerate this carrot and stick approach any longer.

I’m not going to lie…like a year ago this post would have gotten me mad but now I revel in the fact that someone…anyone who hates the new K-Canon films admits that they have an irrational hatred of them that their opinion is not based on the quality of the movies themselves. Yeah, knowing this is a fact prematurely is nice but confirmation is better. Thank you.

Dislike of **** movies and hatred for them are different things. Regardless of what Disney does or doesn’t do with the OOT, some of us, maybe many of us, are still going to think their **** movies are **** and not any good. That doesn’t mean we would necessarily hate them, because in a vaccuum, there is no need to hate bad movies. They are merely bad.

The animosity comes from two things, however:

  1. Disney continues to stiff us on the OOT, while continuing to shill for their **** films that aren’t any good. Without a doubt, if they simply released the OOT, the criticism would die down. The Disney movies would no longer be movies that are standing in between us and the OOT, or movies they are offering us instead of the OOT–they would just be bad movies we no longer care about either way.

  2. The exception to that rule is when they start fucking with Star Wars. The original characters, the spirit of the original trilogy, that kind of stuff is not to be tainted with. Give us new characters, give us new stories that keep in spirit with the original. That’s all good. Just don’t fuck with the originals, which is even more egregious now, because they don’t even have a set story anymore. They are diverting the series from the archetypal to the episodic. It’s just a bunch of TV writers sitting around and coming up with the next idea out of their ass and passing it off to the next guy. At that point, it’s no longer a story with a meaningful message to tell, it’s just situational melodrama, meant to distract the bored.

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Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

generalfrevious said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

To add to what crissrudd is saying, I feel like waiting another three years has other advantages for Lucasfilm aside from just the rights issue.

Some people are only just now getting around to buying the 2011 set. I honestly feel like we weren’t going to see a major reissue with actual new content until the time came to put the movies out on the next format. We’re only a year into 4k discs being a thing, and Star Wars has taken a long while to hit each new format.

To me, this is yet another sign pointing to 2020.

Mmm, this sounds awfully familiar. Before celebration the 40th anniversary was the most logical time for a release. Now that it doesn’t seem to pan out, things are pointing to 2020.

I don’t want to pessimistic, but from what we know from Mike Verta’s interactions with Disney, info from Disney’s restoration people, and Pablo Hidalgo, releasing the OOT is not a priority. So, there certainly seem to be no plans for a release in 2020, or otherwise. It appears to simply not be on the agenda, at all.

Hopefully, Mike Verta’s pitch has happened, and has set things in motion. However, I very much doubt Disney and Lucasfilm will have their own plans. There’s a new 4K restoration for ANH for sure, conformed to the SE. So, a new 4K mastered SE release may be pending, with some additional material, such as the Tarkin footage shown at celebration, but an OOT release seems unlikely, unless Mike Verta can convince them of the merits of his restoration.

I have not seen the original versions in almost seven years. There is no way in hell I am waiting another three years AT LEAST to see them again. I would take back everything bad I have said about TFA and RO if Disney releases the originals this year. Otherwise I can’t tolerate this carrot and stick approach any longer.

I’m not going to lie…like a year ago this post would have gotten me mad but now I revel in the fact that someone…anyone who hates the new K-Canon films admits that they have an irrational hatred of them that their opinion is not based on the quality of the movies themselves. Yeah, knowing this is a fact prematurely is nice but confirmation is better. Thank you.

Dislike of **** movies and hatred for them are different things.

You’re right actually. If you dislike TFA and Rogue One because of reasons XYZ that’s fine but there are people who hate those films because because of reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the films themselves. It stands the reason that someone who is grown should be able to not let outside shit influence their opinions but I just don’t know anymore.

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There’s also nothing wrong with hating certain movies too but irrational hatred is bad.

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Lord Haseo said:

You’re right actually. If you dislike TFA and Rogue One because of reasons XYZ that’s fine but there are people who hate those films because because of reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the films themselves. It stands the reason that someone who is grown should be able to not let outside shit influence their opinions but I just don’t know anymore.

I can only speak for myself. I dislike the Disney movies and think they are bad movies for legitimate filmmaking and screenwriting reasons. But if that were it, they would just be bad movies and who cares.

The problem is Disney bought Star Wars, and is turning it into the dancing Vader disco nonsense, giving us the finger when we ask for the OOT, and instead pulling these bait and switches.

You want the OOT? What’s that? Don’t you mean you really want to watch a trailer for our new movie? Yeah! Ok 😃

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Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

You’re right actually. If you dislike TFA and Rogue One because of reasons XYZ that’s fine but there are people who hate those films because because of reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the films themselves. It stands the reason that someone who is grown should be able to not let outside shit influence their opinions but I just don’t know anymore.

I can only speak for myself. I dislike the Disney movies and think they are bad movies for legitimate filmmaking and screenwriting reasons. But if that were it, they would just be bad movies and who cares.

The problem is Disney bought Star Wars, and is turning it into the dancing Vader disco nonsense, giving us the finger when we ask for the OOT, and instead pulling these bait and switches.

It’s actually more along the lines of the US Government’s attitude toward the UFO phenomenon before 2000 as in they’re not really acknowledging the shit.

You want the OOT? What’s that? Don’t you mean you really want to watch a trailer for our new movie? Yeah! Ok 😃

Well truth is not everyone knows, wants or cares about the original version being in High Definition but for a guy like me I wanted both and only got one of these things. The second one more than made up for it though 😉

Plus I know we won’t be getting the OUT until 2020 at least. I can’t even get mad about it…not yet at least.

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Alderaan said:

The problem is Disney bought Star Wars, and is turning it into the dancing Vader disco nonsense, giving us the finger when we ask for the OOT, and instead pulling these bait and switches.

I think you somehow got one of Frink’s future edits via a wormhole. 😉

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