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Captain Marvel, hoping to make carol a bit more likeable for those who hate her. (COMPLETED)

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i particularly disliked captain marvel as did many people. for me, carol came across as arrogant and condescending, particularly to men. this anti man feeling also extended beyond carol and in my opinion the worst part of the film where “I’m just a girl” started playing. As a woman, I didn’t find any of this particularly empowering as I think it was meant to be.
I wondered if these things were the main reason why this film feels bad to me so i have been taking another look and considering how the film would work with some alterations.

the first thing I have done is to try and remove that song and replace it with something i felt fit the theme better. I decided on “Ready to go” by Republica.
I have this sequence already done and rendered out.
If anyone is interested in taking a look and giving any feedback, I’d be happy to hear your thoughts.

Here is the clip to what I have done with the music. (it’s about 1 - 2 mins) https://mega.nz/file/Cm4RlACL#kvtZ1-x_IBUh19CRnC-OOp4NtTg25laJZZKbBzyZ6D8

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triadne said:

I don’t think I’m allowed to post a link though am I?

Hi triadne,

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I don’t even dislike Captain Marvel, per se. I may sound like a chud, but there isn’t an MCU film that I actively dislike, yet. I think the worst of them are watchable, at least in the context of the rest of the series. But I understand and agree with your assessment. Captain Marvel really hamfisted the “girl-power” thing in to the point where Carol Danvers was pretty annoying at several points in the film.

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I had no problem with her being arrogant and condescending. I also had no problems with Strange and Stark being arrogant and condescending. The problem I had was the latter two were allowed to also be funny whereas Danvers wasn’t. Though that’s probably because she spent most of the film not knowing who she was.

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Ok, thanks ^_^

I’ve added the link to my edit of the music. I’ll also add it here - https://mega.nz/file/Cm4RlACL#kvtZ1-x_IBUh19CRnC-OOp4NtTg25laJZZKbBzyZ6D8
I would welcome any and all feedback!

oh… yes I’m aware of the strange glitch at the start before the music begins. I’m not sure what caused that, probably a misalignment i can iron out later. This clip is more to demonstrate the audio work I did.

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LeperMessiah117 said:

Captain Marvel really hamfisted the “girl-power” thing in to the point where Carol Danvers was pretty annoying at several points in the film.

yes, ham fisted is a good way to describe it. I want to keep in the girl power as an underlying theme, but just tone it down a bit. or maybe a lot. we’ll see how it goes XD

Artan42 said:

I had no problem with her being arrogant and condescending. I also had no problems with Strange and Stark being arrogant and condescending. The problem I had was the latter two were allowed to also be funny whereas Danvers wasn’t. Though that’s probably because she spent most of the film not knowing who she was.

That’s a good point. the comedy does tend to soften the arrogance quite a bit.

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The difference is that Stark and Strange had arrogance that was a character flaw.
All heroes in the Marvel universe (comic and cinematic) are intended to have flaws proportional to the strength of their power. Only by overcoming these flaws can they become the heroes they need to be.

In her movie, Captain Marvel’s arrogance was not intended to be a flaw, but some how a strength… and that just doesn’t work.

Dr. M

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Doctor M said:

The difference is that Stark and Strange had arrogance that was a character flaw.
All heroes in the Marvel universe (comic and cinematic) are intended to have flaws proportional to the strength of their power. Only by overcoming these flaws can they become the heroes they need to be.

In her movie, Captain Marvel’s arrogance was not intended to be a flaw, but some how a strength… and that just doesn’t work.

No they’re not. Strange’s feeds into his desire to be the best at magic as much as he was at medicine and Stark’s drives him to constant innovation. Danver’s main strength is not giving up, it’s probably due to arrogance, but, like the other two, it directly feeds her strength.

What Strange and Stark have to give up is their selfishness. Danvers never suffers from that problem.

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I’d certainly appreciate any feedback on the clip I have done so far ^_^

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triadne said:

I’d certainly appreciate any feedback on the clip I have done so far ^_^

The music fits well. You’ve already mentioned the odd jumping in the sound right at the beginning. I don’t have the original to compare to at hand but it’s possibly a bit loud compared to the other sounds. It doesn’t drown anything out but it does seem like it’s been laid over (well it has but it also sounds like it has).

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thanks very much, that’s really helpful. I’m not super practiced with editing so that helps me confidence a bit.
I’ll see if I can adjust the levels a bit. I wonder if there’s a danger of the original music becoming audible though. I removed it from all the silent bits, but some of the sound effects still have it and i’m not sure how to remove.

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Hey all!
thank you for your input so far. I have arrived at a milestone. I have finished doing all the cuts and edits I had in mind.

I am now rendering a movie file out and pending feedback, I have completed this project! ^_^

I am now putting out a request, if anyone here wants to take a look at my work and give me feedback, I would very much appreciate it!

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Once it’s rendered if you PM me a link I can give it a watch this week.

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Thanks, It’s rendered and I’ll send you a link out now ^_^

Alas, I have identified a problem with this already. There was an issue with framerates due to my carelessness. it’s present in a couple of the added scenes that I transferred from the special features.
So that’s the first thing on my list of fixes. XD

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Hey everyone, thanks to those of you who gave feedback for version one.

I’ve made many tweaks and fixes and completely regraded the colour for the whole movie to improve it further.
I’m at what I consider either a near final or final version. I’m mainly looking to find errors and bad cuts now.

If anyone is willing to give this a look (or another look) then I’d be most appreciative! ^_^

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Title:
Captain Marvel : Where’s the Love

Tagline:
Love can set you free

Synopsis:
An amnesiac Kree Starforce operative with mysterious powers, discovers her true past and slowly learns that her emotions can set her free from the shackles of those she once considered allies.

Intent:
To make Carol more likeable. A lot of people had an issue with anti-male sentiments in this movie. Some people didn’t notice it, but for other people it stuck out like a sore thumb. My intent is to apply ointment to the sore thumb of this movie. To give it some love and allow love to reflect back out. Sorry about the silly analogy, but I am a girl and I didn’t feel empowered by this movie. I feel much more empowered by strength through love, and so I tried to take the movie in this direction. Emphasis on emotions and friendships.

I also received a request to remove Fury losing his eye due to a scratch. He still gets scratched, but I made it a point to show his eye healed afterwards in a mid credits scene. Since Goose is in Fury’s office, it is still possible he gets scratched by Goose again so if people like that part then it can still have happened after the events of this movie.

Edits:
Colour graded entire movie to reflect Carol’s emotional state.
Added visual effects to reflect when Carol’s implant was subduing her powers.
Switched Carol and Yon Rogg door scene, to a deleted scene of Yon Rogg teaching children.
Removed Carol needlessly insulting her Kree colleague.
Inserted deleted scene showing more upbeat and friendly interaction with Kree colleagues.
On skrull ship, during memory search, cut some parts where she was obviously being ‘put down by men’.
Removed Carol screaming at skrull. it was stupid.
Removed Carol telling Fury “you finally asked a relevant question”
Removed Biker “how about a smile?”
Removed Fury and ‘Keller’ looking under autopsy blanket.
Removed “noble warrior heroes”, the way she said it was too smarmy.
Removed Carols smirk and “huh” just before the “welcome wagon” in the pegasus facility.
Inserted flashback to memories of Goose when they meet up with Goose in the corridor.
Inserted a few relevant flashbacks when Carol is studying the files on the crash.
Replaced Yogg Ronn/Ronan scene with deleted scene of ‘Keller’ talking about tracking the plane.
Re-inserted Yon Rogg/Ronan scene midway through the scene in Marie’s house so as to make it feel like she was there longer.
Inserted a shot of ‘Goose’ at the cut back to Marie’s house. (from stock footage)
Inserted some warm memory flashbacks when Carol is looking at old photos…
Inserted an unpleasant ‘memory’ of the ‘Skrull’ shooting Lawson, just before there is a knock on the door, to introduce more tension.
Inserted scene of Yonn Rogg talking to supreme intelligence to show just how intimidating the supreme intelligence can be.
Removed Carol saying " reached blah blah altitude" and inserted a reminder of her and Maria’s relationship.
Changed scene of scanning goose and fury, so it says “human” instead of “human male”.
Reduced volume of “smells like teen spirit”. it just seemed way too loud to me.
Removed memory of bike crash and baseball. these seem to serve only to suggest “she’s clumsy because she’s a girl”. extended the gocart clip just to pad this out for the dialogue.
Completely replaced montage of “Carol standing up because she’s realised she’s allowed to” with a montage of “Carol reflects on her friendships and realises her emotions give her strength”.
Removed “just a girl” and replaced it with “violet” by ‘Hole’.
Removed horrible effects shot of carol falling towards the ground. It was just ugly XD
Removed Carol’s line to Yon Rogg “I have nothing to prove to you”.
Removed Talos’ reaction to Goose scratching Fury’s eye. Now it is not indicated that This is the cause of is lost eye.
Removed Maria’s line asking Fury about his eye.
Removed final scene to reinsert it as a mid credits scene
Mid credits scene features part of a deleted scene of Fury walking to his office with both eyes intact.
Obligatory edit of the end credits.

Special thanks:
VERsingthegamez
Malthus
Artan42
Other members of Fanedit forums
Other members of TheOriginalTrilogy forums

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I’ll happily give the new cut a look if you send me the link.

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Thank you! I had some sound issues so I had to re-render and I’m uploading now. I’ll speak to you shortly 😃

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Thank you for the Link, I got round to watching it last night and really enjoyed. You have successfully made Carol more likeable 😄 , All the cuts blended perfectly and all in all a big improvement on what was originally released by Marvel.
I didn’t notice any audio issues but only watched it on my PC with crappy speakers so may not have noticed.

Thanks again for the link, really enjoyed 😃

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Thank you so much, I really appreciate your feedback 😄

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Thanks for the support you have given me!
I am happy to say I have arrived at my final version!
It’s not perfect and I could always do more, but I have to draw the line here and all identified issues from first two drafts have been resolved.

I am very pleased with my work and I thoroughly enjoy watching this movie without the more unpleasant elements, and I hope many more people can enjoy it also.

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I finally got around to watching the draft you sent me. I found it to flow essentially as if it was cut that way initially. I may download this and burn it to disc.

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Artan42 said:

I finally got around to watching the draft you sent me. I found it to flow essentially as if it was cut that way initially. I may download this and burn it to disc.

Many thanks ^_^
I’m really glad it all works well. I’ve sent you a final version if you want to burn it to disc 😃

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Thanks. I was going to PM you as the link I had no longer worked but now I have the correct version. Thanks.

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I finally got around to watching your edit, and I must say I’m really impressed! It was very well done, and Carol is a much more likeable character as you intended. Thanks for your work making this, and for taking the time to share it.

Is there any chance of you releasing a blu-ray quality file with 5.1 audio in the future? No worries if not though. This will still be my definitive edition going forward.