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Originally posted by: greencapt
Oooooo- and maybe darken the whole sequence to have taken place at night! The whole situation may have felt more menacing it it had occured at night.
This would work if you are cutting out the 'storytime' stuff, because Luke leaves at night and you could assume that the Rebels shortly after go to attack the bunker.
I'm sorry, but as good as the Emperor stuff is, I can't stand ROTJ for it's elongated Jabba scenes and the Ewoks. It's as bad as the first two PT films in this way. As I said after I had seen it, ROTS bumped ROTJ out of what I consider the 'best trilogy'.
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For me, the only reason to watch ROTJ is Yoda's death, the corresponding Obi-Wan visitation, and the Emperor/Luke/Vader scenes. The space battle is still good too. Everything else is just muppet fluff.
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LOL...I am so putting that in somewhere...
"Allow me to be a little bit off topic: Isn't it ironic that we, as fans, allow ourselves to consider things such as removing the Ewoks from the films, and yet we protest at GL adding Jabba and Greedo shooting first?"
Not at all. I view this solely as a parody - not as a definitive version of the film. Besides, I always fast-forward through these parts anyways.
And the space scenes still kick ROTS's ass.
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And the space scenes still kick ROTS's ass.
Reaaaaaaaallllly?
Do the words "It'sa twwwwwaaaaaaaaaappppppppp" meaning anything to you? How about '....' well, I don't even know how to type whatever labia face says.
Just ribbing ya alittle.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
I mean, can you rebuild the ROTJ story with minimal Ewok involvement?
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!no more messing with the OOT!!!!!!!
wheither you like the Ewoks or not , they are part of the OOT and therefor should remain.
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With the technology at hand and experience under its belt ILM should have done in ROTS a space battle that will steal the first place once held by ROTJ battle.
What do we get?
Chaotic mixture of space vessels, we can't follow who is who, who's winning etc. Too much time devoted to those stupid buzz-droids, as if this was more important than the space siege of Coruscant - darn, that's the capital of the whole known universe! Instead of it I'd like to see a classic "dogfight" (read: fighters' maneuver fight), what was presented to us in ROTJ and ANH-SE. Star Wars always followed the unmentioned rule that space battles should take plane in one plane, as if it was a classic naval duel. See the ships that evaded Death Star blast - they're in circle more or less on the equator level, not "everywhere around". Imperial fleet was positioned on one plane, facing Rebels. In ROTJ when the ships exchanged fire they were side by side - not "hanging upside down" like in ROTS.
Compare the scene when Lando pursues a fighter around a Rebel frigate - this (I remind you - we're in 1982) is still FX masterpiece for me.
Fortunately they followed the path "we're getting close to the original trilogy" and so most of the space ships in ROTS had cool design (I really dig those Republican Star Destroyers, is that the famed Victory-class?). I also loved how they explained why air isn't sucked from the landing bays - it was known to hardcore SW fans, but not for casual moviegoers - the whole sequence with landing bay shielding was a good idea.
It was an "OK" battle, but not what we should expect from Star Wars. I guess modern Star Trek stuff has already battles like this one...
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I think a music change would definitely be in order (sorry, John Williams) to something less "cute", and integrate something more mysterious and/or threatening from one of the other films.
"March of the Ewok Empire"?
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
I mean, can you rebuild the ROTJ story with minimal Ewok involvement?
no more messing with the OOT!!!!!!!
wheither you like the Ewoks or not , they are part of the OOT and therefor should remain.
Would you feel the same way if I was planning on editing the SE's to minimize the Ewoks?
The Ewoks stretch beyond plausibility, as if the Imperial Troops wouldn't have seen while out on patrol Ewoks hoisting giant logs up in the air or this odd collection of tree trunks 'just off to the left'. Not only that, but the little buggers have tiny little legs, making speed almost impossible. The first two movies were all about mystery, excitement and intrigue. 70% of ROTJ was this way as well. Unfortunately, we get story time with teddy bear and a group of tiny forrest creatures who can accomplish what a well armed, well funded human Rebellion couldn't do for 30 years. Plus, we have this bloated (pun intended) Jabba the Hutt scene, in which it's like 'A Week in the Life' of Jabba the Hutt, as every character has to have their own entrance. Cut it down, get to the point.
As for the space battle in ROTS, alot was cut out of the script, because it wasn't important to the story of Anakin. Anakin and Obi-Wan were always to leave the battle and stay on 'the mission'. I guess they could have intercut the space battle outside with the Clones, but it wasn't needed because the real story isn't about the war, it's about Anakin Skywalker. The OT is about Luke Skywalker and the Rebellion, as Leia and Han are part of it and are major characters.
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Hey, just my opinion, and let's not confuse dialogue with action.
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<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
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umm, yeah, I also think that space battles should be fought on one plane. The ships should all buddy up fight each other one on one, and none of this using that crazy z-axis thing during the battle, thats perposterious. While we're at it, we should re-fight modern wars more along the style of the Revolutionary war. Ok, you guys line up on this side of the field, we'll line up on that side. We'll march towards each other and when we are about 150 yards away raise your gun and fire...oh, but dont fire untill the guy thats hiding behind all of you fools in the front says to.[/sarcasm]
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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*edit, plus it wasnt even really a battle. It was a hit and run by the seperatists (get in, grab the chancellor, get out) with the Republic 'frantically' trying to prevent them from getting away. Someone made a comment about knowing who was winning. No one was winning, the Seperatists were just trying to hold off the Republic until they could make the jump to light speed and get the flock our of there.
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I was just trying to point out that methods of fighting evolve. Fighter jets nowadays use the whole 3-dimensions of the sky, not to the extent that a spaceship can, but more so than bi-planes did. Do you really think that if you can make a ship with that kind of manuverability in a 'zero-g' enviornment that its not gonna be taken advantage of during battle?
But maybe im also just venting after a shitty day at work and overreacting to a simple comment. either way im taking this off topic, so back to ewoks.
I think their underestimated...i mean spray one down with a hose and then feed them after midnight and you got your hands full
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And this "unmentioned rule" stuff wasn't invented by me, I heard it in some SW documentary where people with far more knowledge about film making than you or me were describing their "tricks of the trade" used in Star Wars FX etc.
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With the technology at hand and experience under its belt ILM should have done in ROTS a space battle that will steal the first place once held by ROTJ battle.
What do we get?
Chaotic mixture of space vessels, we can't follow who is who, who's winning etc. Too much time devoted to those stupid buzz-droids, as if this was more important than the space siege of Coruscant - darn, that's the capital of the whole known universe! Instead of it I'd like to see a classic "dogfight" (read: fighters' maneuver fight), what was presented to us in ROTJ and ANH-SE. Star Wars always followed the unmentioned rule that space battles should take plane in one plane, as if it was a classic naval duel. See the ships that evaded Death Star blast - they're in circle more or less on the equator level, not "everywhere around". Imperial fleet was positioned on one plane, facing Rebels. In ROTJ when the ships exchanged fire they were side by side - not "hanging upside down" like in ROTS.
Compare the scene when Lando pursues a fighter around a Rebel frigate - this (I remind you - we're in 1982) is still FX masterpiece for me.
I gotta agree with Darth Simon about fighter orientation, I also gotta say that, if you read the RotS novel with a much longer space battle script, you'll find the parts they kept are not actually as cool as the parts they cut . . . which makes me a very sad boo. There are some great setups in there that were chucked for the buzz droid sequence. ( Which is also in there, I'm just saying, if one had to go . . . ) I understand the buzz droids made it necessary for them to crash into the hanger, but not only could they have found another excuse, even this is less cool than in the book.
"Reaching into the Force, his mind followed the starfighter's mangled circuitry to locate and activate the sublight engines' manual test board. With a slight push, he triggered a command normally used only in bench tests: full reverse.
The cometary trail of glowing debris shed by his disintegrating starfighter shot past him and evaporated in a cascade of minature starbursts on contact with the hangar shield. Which was exactly what was about to happen to him.
The only effect of full reverse from his failing engines was to give him more time to see it coming."
Do. not. understand. choreographer's. choices. Oh well, at least none of the other fights were like the atrociously orchastrated stuff in episode ii.
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