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Can someone please explain WHY the audio on the 2004 ANH DVD is so messed up? — Page 2

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try listening to a new hope dvd on headphones... it is pathetic...
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Well, fact is certain lines have always sounded like shit. Have you ever heard a good-sounding version of "It just isn't fair. Biggs is right, I'll never get outta here!"? I wouldn't mind if they had Mark re-do them - he is a brilliant voice actor after all.
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Originally posted by: olzen
Well, fact is certain lines have always sounded like shit. Have you ever heard a good-sounding version of "It just isn't fair. Biggs is right, I'll never get outta here!"? I wouldn't mind if they had Mark re-do them - he is a brilliant voice actor after all.


That is exactly my thinking too.
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Well I'd say sound-wise only ANH really is bad:

The fauley track being mixed correctly in 5.1 but solely the musical score has it's audio flipped on the two rear speakers, something that especially bothers enthusiasts of classical music, because they kind of developed an ear for such things. A classical music orchestra has it's instruments arranged in a certain manner, destroying this arrangement means destroying the deeper harmony and beauty of the music.

The second flaw is, that Ben Burtt obviously did not have the time or the resources to reconstruct the audio for ANH entirely, as a lot of small things are amiss (certain sound effects are either different or completely gone, thus reducing the depth of the soundscape - it's basically damaging "the film off the screen" as Ben Burtt called it once himself).

Another thing is the mix itself. The loudness of the fauley track in relation to the loudness of dialogue and musical score is weighted totally different than in the original mix, which surely could be interpreted in some places as kind of a 'creative decision', but in many places it just sounds like a bad misweighing of the different audio streams' loudness.

In my opinion Ben Burtt was not given the time and resources to complete his work - let us just hope he'll return for the job for the 2007 DVD set to complete his work.

The irony is that George Lucas is the one making the biggest fuss about being unhappy releasing inferior or unfinished films to the wider public (namely the original trilogy), yet allows a release of such an inferior and most certainly unfinished work in the 2004 DVD set. My opinion is: If he had no problem releasing that 2004 version, he should have even less problems with releasing the original cuts.
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I think the whole reason they released the DVDs when they did is for one simple reason: Pimping Revenge of the Sith. Pure and simple.

If you look on the bonus disk you see a whole section devoted to "special behind the scene" stuff for Episode III. Of course, looking at it now it is pretty dated...since we all seen the movie now anyway, and many of us own it. Why else was the "original box art" DVD set released with out the extra disk and after ROTS was out on DVD? Duh.
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Yeah, I know, I just don't know why they didn't pay more attention to detail and quality than they did.

What they really need to be focusing on now is making the films look as good as it possibly can. THEN they should release them as the definitive, archival, whatever editions on Blu-ray.
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I think the reason why "The Wizard of Oz" so good is because it was shot on technicolor. All the technicolor films have aged very well. I've heard the film used for "Star Wars" was later found to be most suceptible to deterioration. There's a really good documentary that should explain some of this on the two disc special edition "The Adventures of Robin Hood." (the 1937 film)

I don't know if I want Ben Burtt to work on the sound mix for the next dvd release. I think with the official dvd's and prequels, the sound effects have drowned out the music way too much. The entire death star attack is a good example of this. When people talk about what was underused for the prequels, they should also mention John Williams. His memorable scores really had a huge impact. When people talk about parts of the prequels they like such as the Darth Maul duel, it seems very common for them to say "... and the John Williams score really adds so much to the scene." But think about it, outside of Anakin's Theme, Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars and A Hero Falls, what parts in the prequels had memorable music that you can hum to yourself? Like how Mike Verta of Star Wars legacy wrote how he would ask people to hum the theme to Raiders and then do the same for Spiderman. No one could do the second. Burtt mentioned in his boring commentary of ep 1 that he loved having just sound effects, no dialogue, no music for the podrace. I think could have been even better with music. Diddy Kong Racing for the N64 is one of my favorite videogames and a big reason for that is the music.

I thought the Ep II nightclub scene and asteriod chase between Obi Wan and Jango were pale imitations of the cantina from Star Wars and asteriod field from ESB. The reason the older ones were better was a large part due to the music. Can you hum the asteriod flight theme from ESB? Okay, can you do the same for the asteroid chase from Ep II? I didn't think so. Hell, I wouldn't mind having "Jedi Rocks" in the Ep II nightclub. It's over the top, in your face style (literally) would be more fitting for the prequels than the ot. It sure would make better sense to have it at a time when the Jedi were guardians of peace and justice in the republic, not when they were "traitors" who tried to "overthrow the republic." Didn't Jabba hate the Jedi anyway?

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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Hell, I wouldn't mind having "Jedi Rocks" in the Ep II nightclub. It's over the top, in your face style (literally) would be more fitting for the prequels than the ot. It sure would make better sense to have it at a time when the Jedi were guardians of peace and justice in the republic, not when they were "traitors" who tried to "overthrow the republic." Didn't Jabba hate the Jedi anyway?


The title "Jedi Rocks" was meant as a joke by Ben Burtt and those who wrote it. It's referring to the movie "Jedi."
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Originally posted by: battlewars
like the prequels and special editions


We all say things we regret when we are drunk. *raises her glass*
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