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just keep repeating it to yourself.
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Have faith... Have faith... Have faith... Have faith... Have faith... Have faith...
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
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To avoid fainting, keep repeating "It's only a movie...It's only a movie..."

which fiml had this as its tagline?
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couldn't tell ya.
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The Phantom Menace.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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I'm new to this thread, but I just watched AOTC, so I thought it might be of some interest, and I might have some ideas.

I don't think it was Dooku who erased the files on Kamino. The whole point of erasing the files on Kamino was to hide the fact that there was a Clone army being made. Dooku didn't know about the Clone army. That's why he felt so sure that his droid army would be enough to destroy the Jedi.

I think it was another Jedi, either one we'll find out about later, or one who's insignifigant. Yoda and Mace both hint at their being corruption throughout the Jedi order, so it could very well have been some other Jedi. I mean, however it was, it was 10 years ago. But obviously, the point of the army is all a big plot of Sidious's doing (the guy is a strategic genius).

He knows about the Clone Army (that's why he sets it up so he can have "supreme exectutive power" or whatever). He knows about Dooku (in fact, he uses him to start a "rebellion" of sorts, so that he can get that power. Then, he uses this new Clone army to defeat the droids, but keeps the power with his Clone army. But either way, he wins. If the droids win, he's Dooku's master, so he rules the "Empire". If the Clones win, he just keeps the power he's given, and rules the Empire. It's a win win for him. The guy is a genius. This goes along with my theory about why they build a second Death Star when the first one failed. It was all just bait to lure the Rebellion in (see my latest post in the "what's wrong with ROTJ?" thread).

As for Obi-Won...
The wrist/cord thing is rediculous. a) how does it wrap around? b) how does it stay? c) how does Obi-Won not lose his hand??
And don't say "the force", because that's gay. That just makes you sound like GL. Blowing the original ideas of what the Jedi can do WAY out of proportion and then just covering up all the questions about it making sense with "they used the force". I mean, have you watched the Clone Wars cartoon? It's ridiculous what Mace Windu can do. If he could really do what he does in Chapter 13 alone, why were they all so worried when they were surrounded? Did they really need the Clones to come and save them? No. Not to mention Mace repeatedly used the Force for attack, which according to Yoda is specifically forbidden by the Jedi. ("A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. NEVER attack." ie, blowing holes in droids, crushing their heads, causing them to fall into pieces only to throw those pieces back at other droids, etc, etc)

This is why I don't like the new episodes, because I think GL has gotten caught up in his own hype, and overblown the Jedi's power to the point that it's just silly. I mean, watching the Clone Wars cartoons makes me wonder what Ep 3 is going to be like. If it's like the cartoon, then you have to wonder, why wasn't it like that in Ep 1 and 2? Or 4, 5, 6 for that matter? It's a HUGE plot hole, that to me just seems like GL trying to win over fans of the Matrix. But then again, if it less then the cartoon, people will ask why they could do what they did in the cartoon, but not in the movies. Again, complete lack of continuance. GL has lost a) his mind b) his vision c) any grasp of continuance in the SW universe.

Sorry for the long post. Try not to flame me. Thx.
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no its not ricarleite.

its from The Last House On The Left.
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Joker....Try to forget about the cartoon being the same as the films. I like the cartoon, but those are two completly different things all together..I see your pont but you can't compare.

As for Dooku...
I always thought he knew about the clone army. When he meets up with Sidious, they both mention the war and how the plan was working, or words to that effect, I take it Dooku knew all about the clones.

As for who orderd them, Lucas has said somehwere that the guy who ordered the clones WAQS seen in AOTC.
Who? Dunno
Why? Dunno

3 will sort that shit out.
As for the Obi- Wan thing..Dunno man, maybe he used the Force!

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no its not ricarleite.

its from The Last House On The Left.

That was one twisted film. Craven's first as I recall. He graduated from one of my University's #1 competitors. Just about 15-20 miles from here. The alumni association won't ask him for money because they don't want a direct association with a guy known for making horror films. He graduated from a very religious private university. My old boss actually interviewed him one time because she worked for the university. She said he was a really nice, down to earth guy.
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Joker....Try to forget about the cartoon being the same as the films. I like the cartoon, but those are two completly different things all together..I see your pont but you can't compare.

As for Dooku...
I always thought he knew about the clone army. When he meets up with Sidious, they both mention the war and how the plan was working, or words to that effect, I take it Dooku knew all about the clones.

As for who orderd them, Lucas has said somehwere that the guy who ordered the clones WAQS seen in AOTC.
Who? Dunno
Why? Dunno

3 will sort that shit out.
As for the Obi- Wan thing..Dunno man, maybe he used the Force!


Well, the cartoon may be a bit differant, but it is an official Lucasfilm production so to say you can't even compare it to the movies is kinda dumb. Maybe if George Lucas wasn't an Executive Producer on the show.....but he is. So, they're not really "two completely differant things" afterall...

As for Dooku, I think you could be right on that one. He could very well just be acting surprised cuz all the guys he was supposedly plotting with were all there. However, he only says "The war has begun" to Sidious. That doesn't really mean anything...so who knows, really.

You're DEFINITLY right about us finding out for sure about all this arguing when Ep3 comes out.
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Just to add something about the Dooku thing.

Dooku was working with Sidious. Dooku knew about the clones, he couldn't say shit to the guys round the table coz the Trade Fed were there. They've already been fucked over by Sidious, so Dooku plays along with them, to get this army built. So it could attack the Rebpulic, so Palps could put forth a Clone Army, which Dooku has already ordered (it's so obvious it was him. Dooku left 10 years ago, the army was formed 10 years ago....) and this is all for Paps/Sid to control the Galaxy.

See!!

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I think you're probably right about the Dooku thing. You've argued your point well. And just to save face, all say this...

I hate Ep 2. It's terrible.
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ep2 was great!
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Personally, I thought it was terrible. At least it was better than Ep 1. I've only seen it twice. 1) in theaters, opening day 2) the other day, cuz I couldn't remember ANYthing about it, and I was REALLY bored...

Like many "sequals" or "prequals" or whatever, ON IT'S OWN, it was ok. As a Star Wars movie, it was terrible. Acting, special effects, story, everything. SO differant from the original, that a huge fan of the originals, like me, finds it unwatchable.

Sorry to anyone that actually likes Ep 2 or 1 or whatever, but I just can't stand them.
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Originally posted by: Joker_Smilez
Like many "sequals" or "prequals" or whatever, ON IT'S OWN, it was ok. As a Star Wars movie, it was terrible. Acting, special effects, story, everything. SO differant from the original, that a huge fan of the originals, like me, finds it unwatchable.


Exactly. The problem with the prequels is that we try to compare it to the OT, and it's useless, because the OT "feels" kinda different. I have this theory, if GL had filmed episodes 1, 2 and 3 during the 70s and 80s, and filmed the sequel (4, 5 and 6) now, we would hate the sequels, as we would be trying to compare it to something we enjoyed.
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To me, the only similarity between the OT and the PT is that they share the name "Star Wars". Otherwise I do try and separate them as much as possible. That allows me to enjoy AOTC a lot more. And I do. I really liked AOTC. Can't say the same about TPM, but I have only seen it once. So that could be a contributing factor. I've been meaning to give it a second chance, just haven't gotten around to it.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite

Exactly. The problem with the prequels is that we try to compare it to the OT, and it's useless, because the OT "feels" kinda different. I have this theory, if GL had filmed episodes 1, 2 and 3 during the 70s and 80s, and filmed the sequel (4, 5 and 6) now, we would hate the sequels, as we would be trying to compare it to something we enjoyed.

The problem is actually that GL is trying to put his back story to film and flesh out the details @ the same time. Since we have all been living w/ SW for over 25 years, we have already fleshed out those details in the back story in our own minds. As a result, we have our own preconceived notions of how the PT should play out. Since GL's vision is not the same as those notions, we have become disillusioned with the PT. Thus, why it is best to judge the PT on its own merits rather than comparing it with the OT.

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I honestly had no idea what the PT would be like, or what the main plot would be, and had nothing on my mind. So my disapointment was real, not based on something I had imagined before.
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The problem is actually that GL is trying to put his back story to film and flesh out the details @ the same time. Since we have all been living w/ SW for over 25 years, we have already fleshed out those details in the back story in our own minds. As a result, we have our own preconceived notions of how the PT should play out. Since GL's vision is not the same as those notions, we have become disillusioned with the PT. Thus, why it is best to judge the PT on its own merits rather than comparing it with the OT.


exactly my thoughts mate

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I honestly had no idea what the PT would be like, or what the main plot would be, and had nothing on my mind. So my disapointment was real, not based on something I had imagined before.


Same goes for me
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i dont know, i just havent been disappointed by the PT so far, except for some minor things, which i also can pinpoint in the OT.
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To me, the only similarity between the OT and the PT is that they share the name "Star Wars". Otherwise I do try and separate them as much as possible. That allows me to enjoy AOTC a lot more. And I do. I really liked AOTC. Can't say the same about TPM, but I have only seen it once. So that could be a contributing factor. I've been meaning to give it a second chance, just haven't gotten around to it.


I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who has that approach (separating the prequels and the originals). It's probably the best way to do it. I once thought that a day-long Star Wars marathon would be fun, but the differences between the two trilogies would clash too much, so I figure it's best to just watch the trilogies separately. Also, my references to the prequels when discussing the original trilogy are mainly limited to generalities and basic facts.

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The problem is actually that GL is trying to put his back story to film and flesh out the details @ the same time. Since we have all been living w/ SW for over 25 years, we have already fleshed out those details in the back story in our own minds. As a result, we have our own preconceived notions of how the PT should play out. Since GL's vision is not the same as those notions, we have become disillusioned with the PT. Thus, why it is best to judge the PT on its own merits rather than comparing it with the OT.


That's the exact reason why this debate exists. That and how GL is not acknowledgeing that basic fact. The way my best friend and I, out of all of my friends, are able to enjoy the prequels is because we've judged each trilogy separately.



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