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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Bobby Jay said:

Here's a rebuttal, endorsed by the official sw.com Twitter account

http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/17765

Some people just don't get it.

Actually, the rebuttal is mostly true.  This is what I said about the CNN article missing the point.  When ineffective arguments are made supporting our side, it ends up being more fodder for GL and others to make us look bad.

We have to be very careful exactly what we say and how we say it.

Agreed. Both articles are extreme examples of the two sides of this argument. What we need is someone who can articulate our side without resorting to name calling and extreme analogies.

doubleofive makes a good point about re-releasing the movies unchanged at the cinema. If Back to the Future can make £462,000 at the UK box office without new visual effects or a 3-D conversion, why can't Star Wars?

Your brain just makes s**t up!

A fate worse than death? Having your head digitally replaced with that of Hayden Christensen!

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I replied as well.  I kept myself calm and amicable to both sides of the story while presenting simple facts.

When they do articles like this they should interview some folks to present a well rounded yet purposeful position.

:)

Here is my blurb.............

Shawn on October 8th, 2010 at 6:45 am said:

I have read both articles and this is my response.

I am a fan of the Original Trilogy releases. I grew up with them and they gave me my own little place in the universe to play, have fun, and grow. I understand that Mr. Lucas has every right to do whatever it is he’d like because they are his films. What I don’t understand is why the original versions can’t be made as accessible as the updated versions. The Original Trilogy is a product of the time in which it was created and it should be respected as such. They were very organic and paved the way for countless actors, directors, and filmmakers in general to up the bar. They should not be shelved or forgotten for that reason alone.

The Prequel Trilogy stands on it’s own as a testament to it’s time as well. Due to it’s more mechanical nature it doesn’t always compliment the story that came before it and I would understand simple adjustments to make the flow of all 6 movies more balanced. It makes sense.

In the end, fans of the Original Trilogy just want a real quality version of the phenomenon that started it all, no changes, no enhancements, just the 3 movies that created a following that endears to this day. Mr. Lucas should be proud, not ashamed, of what he did with the limited time and budget he had. Mr. Lucas once triumphed the cause of film tampering when it came to the colorizing of black and white film. Preservation of the art was his reason. The Original Trilogy should be treated no differently. It deserves the same respect as the black and white adventures the Trilogy was inspired by.

Mr. Lucas, I respect your position, but I cannot endorse the execution of that position based purely on the “because I can” defense. Please, allow a quality HD transfer of the 3 original movies that started it all so that everyone can revel in the spirit and joy that you and all involved carried to create something so proud.

Cheers

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Just shows this guy knows absolutely nothing about the truth behind why we haven't got the original versions.

http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/17816

Do the transfer ourselves then hand it to GL as a present who would have to release it? Does he not realize that GL took almost all 35mm copies  of the movie out of existence and what are available wouldn't be anywhere near the quality a direct transfer from the negative would. I just had to put that idiot straight as to why fans are finding it impossible to restore these movies themselves

And i guess he wasn't too happy about the comments on his blog that came from over here too.

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There are different kinds of Star Wars fans and since so many different versions have been released, there are no right answers to what the best and the favorite should be. It’s all a matter of personal taste.

No right answers?  Cinematic history has been erased, and that's not a matter of personal taste, that's a fact.

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CNN guy misses the point. This has nothing to do with if Jar Jar was annoying or if 3D is a money making gimmick.

It has everything to do with the fact an Academy Award Best Picture nominated film that was beloved by millions and changed film forever doesn't exist anymore.

There's a similiar film with a differnet title, different effects, characters,and in some cases actors, but "Star Wars" is no where to be seen.

Everything else is just a distraction from that crime against art and culture.

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Swank-mo-tron on October 8th, 2010 at 3:49 pm said:

Clearly, you don’t understand Fair Use. I deal with it daily as a documentary filmmaker. For educational and historic purposes a case can be made for the fair use of that transfer. I’m not saying my 35mm would do you any good, but yes, preservations have been performed from piece meal prints and sources.

It’s obvious you guys don’t really want to work for this. You just want to bitch.

If you wanted it bad enough, you’d make it happen.

 

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Congrats everyone, you've gotten someone in the good graces of LFL to state that if a publicly funded preservation was carried out it should be allowed to be shown in theaters unobstructed.

 

oh i see he takes this back in the comments.

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"And I think the only group complaining about the changes are those from that first batch of people who saw it originally. Kids now won’t know the difference, so in another 10 or 20 years, that will be a completely moot point."

Ugh, this comment from the author makes me facepalm.  Doesn't he understand that that reasoning is exactly what makes the point all that more important?  That Lucas has so successfully rewritten history that people are no longer going to "know the difference" isn't a big deal to him?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I would recommend running with the Kickstarter idea just so the price tag or technological purchases with man hour estimates is out there. 

Anyone speculate an estimate?  50k a movie, 200k a movie? then 2 hours man time for each frame clean up?

Going for the best sequence of events, I would imagine the Library of Congress 'Star Wars' copy being loaned to archivist Rick Prelinger, who'd figure out how to get the clean up work crowdsourced through Archive.org.

 

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I couldn't get the comment I wrote to load over there, but the guy is a dopey jagoff and at this point he's just hit-whoring. Let him get back to his important blogging.

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Yeh it's pretty obvious him and his little sidekick are just Lucas worshipers and are trying to stir things up just to get hits. If he can say something like this:

Scanning the original print and tossing it on DVD as is would look like more crap than the 93 laserdisc.


then it just shows he's an idiot because isn't he telling us we could easily do a high quality restoration from a degraded theatrical print?  And he's supposed to be a documentary filmmaker? Geesh can you imagine the one sided crap he puts out?

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The poor chap's brain has gone boi-yoi-yoing at this point.

If he were posting here we would be posting pictures of tuna sandwiches and ice-cream by now.

Short of stealing a library quality print of each film, building a secret lab and bringing in a restoration expert (possibly kidnapped) he has suggested options beyond those of the most deranged also ran ever to grace these boards.

Now please excuse me while I run Catherine Zeta Jones through the laser avoidance dance routine.

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Swank-mo-tron on October 8th, 2010 at 4:34 pm said:

Scanning the original print and tossing it on DVD as is would look like more crap than the 93 laserdisc


ChainsawAsh on October 8th, 2010 at 4:55 pm said:

Oh, so you’re just an idiot then. Okay. I’m outta here.

LMFAO

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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EyeShotFirst said:

Swank-mo-tron on October 8th, 2010 at 4:34 pm said:

Scanning the original print and tossing it on DVD as is would look like more crap than the 93 laserdisc


ChainsawAsh on October 8th, 2010 at 4:55 pm said:

Oh, so you’re just an idiot then. Okay. I’m outta here.

LMFAO

Sadly, I felt compelled to post another reply, which kind of diminishes the impact of that post.  But whatever.  I'm (most likely) done now.

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ChainsawAsh said:

EyeShotFirst said:

Swank-mo-tron on October 8th, 2010 at 4:34 pm said:

Scanning the original print and tossing it on DVD as is would look like more crap than the 93 laserdisc


ChainsawAsh on October 8th, 2010 at 4:55 pm said:

Oh, so you’re just an idiot then. Okay. I’m outta here.

LMFAO

Sadly, I felt compelled to post another reply, which kind of diminishes the impact of that post.  But whatever.  I'm (most likely) done now.

The guy obviously knows more than we do, let's not anger him, he might destroy us with his brain.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Alright, now, which of you just posted as "George Lucas"?  :-P

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ChainsawAsh said:

Alright, now, which of you just posted as "George Lucas"?  :-P

I did.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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George Lucas
George Lucas on October 8th, 2010 at 5:30 pm said:

Nooooooooooooo!!!!!

Alex M.
Alex M. on October 8th, 2010 at 5:36 pm said:

I DON’T LIKE SAND.

LOL

I really hope this guy signs up over here.

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That was me. My first comment showed up, then I felt myself getting sucked into the old star wars arguing vortex, aka the Go-mertonic nebula.

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Hooray another film industry giant has joined the discussion.

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Bingowings said:

Hooray another film industry giant has joined the discussion.

:-)

Too bad you couldn't post the washtrooper pic.

Wilfredo Arendela on October 8th, 2010 at 6:21 pm said:

Como usted bien puede saber que he estado trabajando en la industria del cine durante muchos años ahora y esta discusión ha llegado a ser muy tonta. George Lucas no ha conseguido un cuello.

Bang!

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If only I'd paid more attention in Spanish class back in high school.

Ah, well.  My Translate widget says:

As you can well know that there am been working in the industry of the cinema during many years now and this discussion has gotten to be very idiot. George Lucas has not obtained a neck.

Bang!

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If only Lucas had obtained a neck, we'd have the OOT by now.

I think...