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I've watched a few fragments of this program and I must say I was shocked by some of the fanatics who use and abuse religion for power and political goals and want to force their religious shit on others.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
I've watched a few fragments of this program and I must say I was shocked by some of the fanatics who use and abuse religion for power and political goals and want to force their religious shit on others.


Have you seen Jesus Camp? You might like it.
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Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.

Now I'm not denying that there are fanatics in this world with... interesting... takes on Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) but these fanatics have almost no real political power and no credibility with either major political party.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.


Like Fox News?
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.


Like Fox News?


Did he say Fox News was any less biased? I don't recall reading that. I think his point was to take a story that's more than likely just bashing Christian's based on the actions of a few with quite a large grain of salt.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Have you seen Jesus Camp? You might like it.
No, I have not.

Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.

Now I'm not denying that there are fanatics in this world with... interesting... takes on Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) but these fanatics have almost no real political power and no credibility with either major political party.
There is not much bias when showing the speeches these people give. And I'm talking about all three (God's Jewish, Muslim and Christian Warriors).

Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.


Like Fox News?


Did he say Fox News was any less biased? I don't recall reading that. I think his point was to take a story that's more than likely just bashing Christian's based on the actions of a few with quite a large grain of salt.

Where in my initial post did I say anything about Christians. I was talking about religious fanatics of ALL religion. I'm not trying to attack Christians.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: sean wookie
Have you seen Jesus Camp? You might like it.
No, I have not.

Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.

Now I'm not denying that there are fanatics in this world with... interesting... takes on Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) but these fanatics have almost no real political power and no credibility with either major political party.
There is not much bias when showing the speeches these people give. And I'm talking about all three (God's Jewish, Muslim and Christian Warriors).

Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.


Like Fox News?


Did he say Fox News was any less biased? I don't recall reading that. I think his point was to take a story that's more than likely just bashing Christian's based on the actions of a few with quite a large grain of salt.

Where in my initial post did I say anything about Christians. I was talking about religious fanatics of ALL religion. I'm not trying to attack Christians.


My post was actually in response to sean's which was in response to Chaltab's. I've not seen the program you're referring to, so maybe I incorrectly assumed it was bashing Christian's. After having read the Quran, I can tell you that Allah is NOT the same god as the Jewish/Christian God. I don't care what any Muslim says, they are not the same entity.

What examples, if any, can you give us? I don't watch CNN at all.
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For everyone of the 3 religions they focused on some individuals. There were some nice fragments on youtube I wanted to link to but they have been deleted. I'll try to find them somewhere else.
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Religion and politics mixed just makes things fucked up. They have too much influence on the people.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: sean wookie
Have you seen Jesus Camp? You might like it.
No, I have not.

Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.

Now I'm not denying that there are fanatics in this world with... interesting... takes on Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) but these fanatics have almost no real political power and no credibility with either major political party.
There is not much bias when showing the speeches these people give. And I'm talking about all three (God's Jewish, Muslim and Christian Warriors).

Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Because clearly CNN is a bastion of unbiased reporting.


Like Fox News?


Did he say Fox News was any less biased? I don't recall reading that. I think his point was to take a story that's more than likely just bashing Christian's based on the actions of a few with quite a large grain of salt.

Where in my initial post did I say anything about Christians. I was talking about religious fanatics of ALL religion. I'm not trying to attack Christians.


Most post was actually in response to sean's which was in response to Chaltab's. I've not seen the program you're referring to, so maybe I incorrectly assumed it was bashing Christian's. After having read the Quran, I can tell you that Allah is NOT the same god as the Jewish/Christian God. I don't care what any Muslim says, they are not the same entity.

What examples, if any, can you give us? I don't watch CNN at all.


I don't even bother watching major news media it's too fucked up. The only thing I'll really watch is Keith Olberman on MSNBC. He seems to be level headed.

Mostly I get my news from Digg and my favorite news blog Crooks and Liars which I get my clips of Olberman from.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Religion and politics mixed just makes things fucked up. They have too much influence on the people.


So...what? Christian's are suppose to vote against their beliefs? Is a Christian politician suppose to completely forget his beliefs when voting on something like Abortion or Gay Marriage? It's not mixing the two that makes things fucked up, it's just politics that makes things fucked up. If people would start taking a little more responsibility for their actions and realize that there's consequences to everything, then you'd have a lot less political bs going on everywhere.

Of course, then you have the excuse of "They're going to do it anyway, might as well make it safe for them". That's used for drinking, smoking dope, having sex, and just about any hotbed political issue. It's also bullshit. Yeah, I know you can't watch your kids every moment of the day, but instead of just accepting what they do, put some controls on them. If you find pot, ground them. If they come home drunk, ground them. 3 month grounding usually works pretty well. No phone, no car, no going out except to school. So stop accepting childish behavior as the norm and start enforcing some rules.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi

My post was actually in response to sean's which was in response to Chaltab's. I've not seen the program you're referring to, so maybe I incorrectly assumed it was bashing Christian's. After having read the Quran, I can tell you that Allah is NOT the same god as the Jewish/Christian God. I don't care what any Muslim says, they are not the same entity.

What examples, if any, can you give us? I don't watch CNN at all.


Lets try this. pretend each religion is a supreme court judge. The judges job is to interpret the constitution in this instance you can think of the word of god. The judges may have completely different point of views which can end up completely different outcomes. The Quran is a different outcome from the word of god as Jews and Christians see it.

Either way it's just safer to go with Satan.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
The Quran is a different outcome from the word of god as Jews and Christians see it.


That is a bunch of bullshit actually. How could the Quran be a different outcome from the word of God? What exactly is the word of God? Tell me what the source is that is being interpreted differently by each of these groups? In fact that whole analogy is just ignorant and pointless in every way. Was it suppose to be making some sort of point? Or is it just copypasta from some other forum?

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: sean wookie
The Quran is a different outcome from the word of god as Jews and Christians see it.


That is a bunch of bullshit actually. How could the Quran be a different outcome from the word of God? What exactly is the word of God? Tell me what the source is that is being interpreted differently by each of these groups? In fact that whole analogy is just ignorant and pointless in every way. Was it suppose to be making some sort of point? Or is it just copypasta from some other forum?


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Oh, well I only guest it might have been a copy paste because it felt incomplete. Its fallacy lies in the fact that there has to be a common Word of God from which all three are interpreting in their own way, like Court Justices with the Constitution. In your analogy there is no "Constitution" from which these three religions are interpreting from. There was the Hebrews collection of holy scriptures, which predates both Christianity and Islam. Then you have Christianity branch off of Judaism, with Christ coming and claiming that he is the son of God and the Messiah come to fill Jewish prophecy. Then several hundred years later Muhammed is born and invents Islam by taking aspects from both Judaism and Christianity in order to get people to die for his cause. So yes, they are all related, but they are far from different interpretations of one "Word of God", rather it is that each is built off the others before it.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Oh, well I only guest it might have been a copy paste because it felt incomplete. Its fallacy lies in the fact that there has to be a common Word of God from which all three are interpreting in their own way, like Court Justices with the Constitution. In your analogy there is no "Constitution" from which these three religions are interpreting from. There was the Hebrews collection of holy scriptures, which predates both Christianity and Islam. Then you have Christianity branch off of Judaism, with Christ coming and claiming that he is the son of God and the Messiah come to fill Jewish prophecy. Then several hundred years later Muhammed is born and invents Islam by taking aspects from both Judaism and Christianity in order to get people to die for his cause. So yes, they are all related, but they are far from different interpretations of one "Word of God", rather it is that each is built off the others before it.


God is just a sadistic ass hole IMO. If it exists that is.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Lets try this. pretend each religion is a supreme court judge. The judges job is to interpret the constitution in this instance you can think of the word of god. The judges may have completely different point of views which can end up completely different outcomes. The Quran is a different outcome from the word of god as Jews and Christians see it.

Let's not try that because it's completely wrong.

Christianity was built of Judaism, but only because The Torah is part of the Old Testament. When Jesus Christ came along, a close group of Jews believed that he was the Messiah (even though he never actually said "I'm the Messiah", his actions spoke much louder than words though). Of course, a lot of other Jews disagreed. So this guy, Christ, tells everyone to just believe in him and they'll be saved. Then he gets killed and rises from the dead three days later. He tells his close friends that he's the way and to go preach the word to the world. So post resurrection you've got this group of guys that believes he's the Messiah, and another group that still doesn't believe the Messiah has come. So they split and you have Christianity and Judaism. They both believe there is a God, they both believe there is a Messiah, yet one group is waiting for the second coming while the other group is still waiting for the first coming. The second group (Jews) also don't necessarily believe the Messiah will take human form because it's, to them, a lowly form that the Messiah wouldn't bother with.

Now, a couple hundred years after Christ comes, another guy named Muhammed comes and says that everything before is wrong. He claims that Jesus was nothing more than a Prophet and that everyone is to fight and die for Allah. He also says there'll be a bunch of virgins waiting for you in heaven once you die.

So let's make something perfectly clear. Aside from a few similarities in the Quran and the Bible, Islam is not built on Christianity. Where in Christianity does it say you should die fighting for God? It doesn't. Jesus died once for all of us, we don't need to fight that battle anymore. Where in Christianity does it mention virgins in heaven? It doesn't. There is no need or want for anything like that in heaven because it's pure happiness and joy.

Here's a perfect example of one of the similarities. In the Christian Bible (and the Torah), Abraham is told by God to take his son Isaac to Moriah to be sacrificed. On the third day he gets there (some of you may figure this out at this point). So he takes his son up to the spot where God said to go, ties him to a log that he's going to use for burning, and just as he's about to sacrifice his only son, an Angel of God stops him. He then finds a ram and sacrifices that in Isaac's place. This is essentially an early prophecy of Christ's death and resurrection. In God's eyes, Isaac was dead the moment he told Abraham where to go. Three days later, Isaac is resurrected by the power of God. Now, in Islam, this story is totally different. In Islam, Ibrahim is told where to go and then the devil tries to stop him three times but Ibrahim doesn't give up. He gets to the spot and proceeds to sacrifice his only son to Allah. THAT is what I mean by it not being the same god. The god I know would never do such a thing.

Sean, if you don't want to believe in God, that's fine. But if you really want to discuss how you believe that all three are wrong and that there is no God, you should at least study all three so you're not just making stuff up that sounds good to you but has absolutely no basis in fact. At least that way, you won't sound like a complete idiot.

Originally posted by: sean wookie
God is just a sadistic ass hole IMO.


Thankfully your opinion doesn't mean much. Especially since, on one hand, you say it's safer to go with Satan, and on the other you question God's existence. Well, if Satan exists, then so does God. I'll take the winning side, thank you (that would be God for the idiots out there, he created everything after all).
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And what do his sins have to do with what the Bible says? Whatever he did in his private life does not change what the Bible preaches, nor does it change the fact that what he was doing was wrong.

You guys keep wanting to equate the religion with the people that preach it. So when some preacher comes out and says he's gay, that means all of Christianity is wrong. Um, no, it means that that guy is a hypocrite. And let's not even pretend that hypocrites come from all religions, politics, and whatever else.

But I know how fun it is to bash the millions of Christians around the world because of a few hypocrites. The Bible is not hypocritical. The people who spread the message might be, but the book itself is not.
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Umm, I'm an active Christian. All I did was post an image of Ted Haggard and suddenly I'm bashing the millions (actually there are billions) of Christians around the world? You're jumping to a conclusion there. I'm bashing hypocrites because, as the first post in the forum says "I was shocked by some of the fanatics who use and abuse religion for power and political goals and want to force their religious shit on others."

I agree that the Bible is not hypocritical, even if it is contradictory at times. But those contradictions do make it easier for hypocrites to seize upon it for their own purposes. Just sayin' ...
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