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Warbler said:

perhaps I should have said "quality, nonbiased, trained mental experts, like psychologists and Psychiatrists?    

and again, what about slander? 

Again, what about freedom of speech?

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CP3S said:

TV's Frink said:

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So, haha, clearly it is Alex Jones who is responsible for the Boston Marathon Bombing!!!

That's clearly not what I was saying.  All I was saying is you can't automatically assume he's harmless.

It wasn't clearly not what you were saying, it is exactly what your link was suggesting (which is what I was commenting on), with you making no more comment on the whole thing than a simple, "not necessarily". Just saying, it is hard to know exactly what you were trying to say, but the link you linked to was as ungrounded, and speculative as any crazy conspiracy theory.

 

Ok fine, now you know what I was saying.

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CP3S said:

Warbler said:

perhaps I should have said "quality, nonbiased, trained mental experts, like psychologists and Psychiatrists?    

and again, what about slander? 

Again, what about freedom of speech?

suing for slander is, as far as I know, not a violation of the 1st amendment.

So, what about slander?

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You know, I kind of like being able to critisize the government and not have to ever worry about being sued because people generally dislike what I'm saying and accuse me of slander.

So, again, how about true freedom of speech? Let's ditch looking for loopholes and digging for reasons to give up that freedom. I, for one, would really like to hang onto that freedom.

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I do too, but I f___ing can't stand people like Alex Jones. 

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Easy solution: Don't tune into him. You don't have to stand him, or even hear a word he says. Problem solved, no breaking down the integrity of out freedom of speech needed. Yay.

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I still say he ought to be in a padded cell. 

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Well, I'm just glad I don't live in the country you wish the US was.

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*puts CP3S in straightjacket, locks him in padded cell, and throws away the key*

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Alex Jones has the right to say what he wants to say, I kind of just like to hear him say the outlandish claims he does. It is quite amusing.

Anyway, nobody sane really takes him seriously.

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TV's Frink said:

It's not the sane that concern me.

Maybe we should ban Catcher In The Rye and violent video games too?

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TV's Frink said:

I never said anything about banning anyone.

oh, sorry. I got ahead of myself.

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From the Religion thread but more appropriate here...

CP3S said:

I was thinking a little bit more about this link Fink posted in the Boston Marathon Bombing thread: http://deadspin.com/the-tsarnaev-brothers-allegedly-followed-9-11-conspirac-476607277

In short, it is someone going on about how ridiculous Alex Jones is for his wild conspiracy theories, crazy speculation, and how quick he is to jump to conclusions. The author links to a blog post made by a woman who knew the bombers' mother and retells how their mother believed that 9/11 was done by the US to make Islam look bad and justify war. The author then goes on to do exactly what he condemns Alex Jones for and wildly speculates that maybe the reason these guys did it wasn't because they were Islamic fundamentalists, but because they were paying back America for the evil America has done to them with framing Muslims for 9/11.

Yeah. At least Alex Jones is talented enough to make his wild speculation seem plausible, in a convoluted crazy sort of way.

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http://deadspin.com/report-boston-bombing-suspect-was-a-9-11-truther-478631719

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bomb-suspect-influenced-mysterious-radical

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 *Sigh*  

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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TV's Frink said:

From the Religion thread but more appropriate here...

CP3S said:

I was thinking a little bit more about this link Fink posted in the Boston Marathon Bombing thread: http://deadspin.com/the-tsarnaev-brothers-allegedly-followed-9-11-conspirac-476607277

In short, it is someone going on about how ridiculous Alex Jones is for his wild conspiracy theories, crazy speculation, and how quick he is to jump to conclusions. The author links to a blog post made by a woman who knew the bombers' mother and retells how their mother believed that 9/11 was done by the US to make Islam look bad and justify war. The author then goes on to do exactly what he condemns Alex Jones for and wildly speculates that maybe the reason these guys did it wasn't because they were Islamic fundamentalists, but because they were paying back America for the evil America has done to them with framing Muslims for 9/11.

Yeah. At least Alex Jones is talented enough to make his wild speculation seem plausible, in a convoluted crazy sort of way.

Follow up:

http://deadspin.com/report-boston-bombing-suspect-was-a-9-11-truther-478631719

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bomb-suspect-influenced-mysterious-radical

 

Yup. He was a 9/11 truther. So?

The associated press article you linked to also explained that he had a close friend who steered him toward a "strict stand of Islam". Of course, it probably is more likely that it was his trutherism that drove him to do it.

 

 

That was actually another thing I was going to comment on in my post in the Religion thread today, but left out. I think it is a major failure of liberals that they try so hard to defend Islam. Let it all drop. We don't need it, and there is no reason to defend it in the name of multiculturalism. Antiquated harmful old religions don't need our defense. Sure, be accepting of this cultural background, but we can do that without defending and condoning (there is nothing wrong with wearing a burka if it is your choice, but it is very wrong to force others to wear them, or to inflict pain and suffering upon them if they refuse to comply). Statements like, "it is a beautiful religion of peace" are complete bullshit. A beautiful religion doesn't treat their women like second class people and require them to cover their heads and faces in public. There is nothing beautiful about that.

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“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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Arrrg. Now I will never know what you said, and it will drive me crazy.

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I guessed that Al-Qaeda,  terrorist organization that happens to be Muslim , might have done the Boston bombing: people jump all over me and accuse me of racism even though I guessed a terrorist organization and not Muslims or Islam itself.    

Then CP3S says this:

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That was actually another thing I was going to comment on in my post in the Religion thread today, but left out. I think it is a major failure of liberals that they try so hard to defend Islam. Let it all drop. We don't need it, and there is no reason to defend it in the name of multiculturalism. Antiquated harmful old religions don't need our defense. Sure, be accepting of this cultural background, but we can do that without defending and condoning (there is nothing wrong with wearing a burka if it is your choice, but it is very wrong to force others to wear them, or to inflict pain and suffering upon them if they refuse to comply). Statements like, "it is a beautiful religion of peace" are complete bullshit. A beautiful religion doesn't treat their women like second class people and require them to cover their heads and faces in public. There is nothing beautiful about that.

and nothing. 

Where are the people that jumped all over me?   

 

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I won't be surprised if my post gets a lot of negative reaction. One reason I assume the one in the religion thread isn't getting a reaction, is because it is kind of long and people aren't reading it.

But, everything in my post is really hard to argue with. It is all true, and most people know it is true, but it just sounds so wrong and incorrect to say it. 

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Also, rereading the first page of this thread, I don't think people jumped all over you and called you racist. A Canadian guy who apparently thinks Al-Qaeda is a race, if he was in fact responding to your comment, said it is almost borderline racist to automatically assume it was a Muslim organization rather than consider the possibility that it might be homegrown. That was one person, not people, and he wasn't exactly accusing you of racism.

Adywan was the other one that "jumped all over you", and his wasn't really anything harsh either. He was just sharing his opinion that he feels it was premature to assume foreign terrorists, when we have plenty of issues with public violence right here on the home front.

In both cases, it was just someone stating their opposing opinion. Why are differing opinions and views so threatening to you? From getting defensive when someone feels your view is wrong, to cussing out fellow forum members when they hold a view you find distasteful, to wanting to lock up Alex Jones because you can't stand him.

 

I do find it amusing that now that the bombers were found to have been Muslims, and rather serious ones at that, we are trying to focus in on the fact that they were 9/11 truthers and make that the significant factor. It is all about avoiding a touchy subject, and trying to toss the muck onto a target nobody minds seeing muck thrown at.

Any ideology that teaches that some lives are worth less than others, is a very dangerous thing. Cultural sensitivity be damned. There is ultimately no defense for such a backward way of thinking, and those who hold such ideologies, as history has not so kindly demonstrated again and again, can be quite dangerous. I find that way of thinking far more dangerous than someone dreaming up and preaching silly conspiracies theories about lizard people and false flags.