zombie84 said:
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
I know. I was never crazy about that war. On one hand, I did view Saddam as an evil murdering dictator and a threat, but on the other he didn't do 911 and obviously did not have the wmds Bush claimed they had. As for going to war for 911, the only war I wanted fought was a war with the people that did it, Al Qaeda.
zombie84 said:
It has been the worst thing to happen to the middle east since Syria came along, and very few people who actually live there feel it has benefited their lives. In fact, almost no one does.
I have to believe getting rid of an evil murdering dictator like Saddam did some good.
zombie84 said:
The worst part is that the United States might be dealt a retaliation from it in some way.
lets hope not.
zombie84 said:
Illegally invading a country without any planning or strategy, destroying the very fabric of society and law and order and directly being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians and the further feeding of the feeling of subjugation by western hegemonic powers
I am sure we had some planning and strategy it just wasn't good enough
As for society and law and order, just what kind of society, law, and order was there under Saddam?
As for the deaths of innocent civilians. I don't know all the details of the war and how the civilians were killed, I certainly hope we did not deliberately target them.
zombie84 said:
--that mobilizes radicalization. The war in Iraq has created way more radicals than it removed,
perhaps.
zombie84 said:
The United States helped cause 9/11 on itself for this very same cycle through it's interventions in Israel,
I am sure some of the justification given for doing 911, was for our actions in the middle east. But that doesn't justify hijacking planes full of innocent people and slamming into buildings full of innocent people.
zombie84 said:
which was why Bin Laden did what he did. If you listen to some of the speeches he has given, he isn't as "insane" as some people would have you believe,
yes he is. Anyone that does the things he did is sick, evil and insane.
zombie84 said:
If you go around trying to control the world, often in the pursuit of self interest on some level, and in the course of it don't really give a real shit about the people who live there, you are going to create a lot of enemies, for very legitimate and understandable reasons.
all I can say is that I do give a shit about the people in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. The only reason I'd support military action in Syria would be for the sake of the Syrians, to put a stop to the bloodshed. Most people in America that supported the war in Iraq, didn't do so for oil, they thought we went to war there to rid the world of an evil dictator that was murdering his own people, that was a threat the US and other nations. I and others were hoping that the war would bring freedom and democracy to Iraq. We are not trying to control the world.
zombie84 said:
The US can't simply "go in and take out the bad guys" in Syria, because it's not that simple, just as it was in Iraq, there are multiple levels of social, political, and even religious, contexts to consider, plus the sheer logistics of such an operation, and the fact that things are more grey than they are black and white. A complex civil war/revolution isn't something you can solve with just a big stick, even though that is a useful tool to have, such bluntness is ineffectual against something as complex as this. I'm not really sure what the solution is, to be honest, but if you want to kick the hornets nest you are for sure going to get stung. Complex problems require complex solutions that are a lot less satisfying than just saying "well, why don't we just take them out?", which was something a simpleton moron like George Bush didn't understand and why he now has the blood of 110,000 civilian deaths on his hands.
it probably does require a complex solution, but I refuse to believe that there is nothing the US can do about the carnage going on there.