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CP3S said:

In both cases, it was just someone stating their opposing opinion. Why are differing opinions and views so threatening to you? From getting defensive when someone feels your view is wrong, to cussing out fellow forum members when they hold a view you find distasteful, to wanting to lock up Alex Jones because you can't stand him.

  it is not just differing opinions.   It is criticizing me for 'daring' to think it possible that Al Qaeda did this.    Zombie84 argued that 911 was just one time thing and that "Al Qaeda hasn't attacked us in 12 years",when Al Qaeda has attacked us and other countries multiple times, threaten to do so again, and multiple would be attacks from Al Qaeda on American  continue to be thwarted.   Just this week an Al Qaeda linked attack on a Canada train was stopped.   

As for the conspiracy crap, I wasn't 100% serious about wanting Alex Jones locked up, although I really can't stand him.   I find these conspiracy theorists very offensive.   They besmirch my country with no real proof.    They don't care about these attacks, it is all a game to them.   And I've had it with them. 


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I stopped reading it after Adywans first post when I reread it before my last post, just now I read more, and the discussion goes on for longer than I thought it did. It is stupid, especially since the OP asked for people's thoughts on who it might have been. You merely said that would be your guess. Hardly anything harmful, considering Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization that prides itself for killing civilians, they are more than fair game.

 

I've known a few conspiracy theory types, and it is true, it is kind of a game to them. They're disaster junkies looking to connect the dots in everything, like some puzzle. But, that doesn't mean they don't care about the deaths that are happening, or don't have the same feelings of shock and disgust as you do about these violent situations. They just attribute the cause to a different source than you do, and jump to conclusions. The ones who think these are false flags are pretty disgusted and pissed off over them.

Of course, you have those others who think these are faked and that kids didn't actually die. Maybe this is just their way of coping with these horrible realities. Choosing believe in a fantasy world where an evil government is faking this stuff to control us, over a world where someone might randomly kill a bunch of our kids for no reason and never explains why.

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I think that period of the thread was more like the one where I described the slightly more X-files style of conspiracy theorist as possessing a different flavour of unsubstantiated belief to the religious types.

Here the comparison was between two flavours of speculation after a newsworthy event.

Warb assuming it was the wolf from Jungle Book is no different from pointing out what could be a hole in the 'official story'.

It only becomes an issue when people grandstand one way or another.

There is a lot of unnecessary offense taken here sometimes.

I doubt if this thread gets much readers in the constantly bombed to bits places in the world which spawn the small number of 'killing passerby' clubs nor do I believe many actual victims will be reading or their families but our rubber skinned lizard overlords are definitely linked in.

That's why I'm here folks.

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CP3S said:

I stopped reading it after Adywans first post when I reread it before my last post, just now I read more, and the discussion goes on for longer than I thought it did. It is stupid, especially since the OP asked for people's thoughts on who it might have been. You merely said that would be your guess. Hardly anything harmful, considering Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization that prides itself for killing civilians, they are more than fair game.

thank you. 

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But, that doesn't mean they don't care about the deaths that are happening, or don't have the same feelings of shock and disgust as you do about these violent situations.

it does when they start coming up with their stupid conspiracy theories before the bodies are even cold.  And that is exactly what happened in this case.  

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They just attribute the cause to a different source than you do, and jump to conclusions.

to say they jump to conclusions, is a massive understate.   

Although no one thinks of them as such, I say they are bigots.   They are bigoted against government/ the establishment.    Hence, their judgements when it comes to placing blame is clouded and prejudice. 

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Of course, you have those others who think these are faked and that kids didn't actually die. Maybe this is just their way of coping with these horrible realities.

nah, they're just crazy. 


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CP3S said:

In both cases, it was just someone stating their opposing opinion. Why are differing opinions and views so threatening to you? From getting defensive when someone feels your view is wrong, to cussing out fellow forum members when they hold a view you find distasteful, to wanting to lock up Alex Jones because you can't stand him.

  it is not just differing opinions.   It is criticizing me for 'daring' to think it possible that Al Qaeda did this.    They argued that 911 was just one time thing and that "Al Qaeda hasn't attacked us in 12 years",when Al Qaeda has attacked us and other countries multiple times, threaten to do so again, and multiple would be attacks from Al Qaeda on American  continue to be thwarted.   Just this week an Al Qaeda linked attack on a Canada train was stopped.   

As for the conspiracy crap, I wasn't 100% serious about wanting Alex Jones locked up, although I really can't stand him.   I find these conspiracy theorists very offensive.   They besmirch my country with no real proof.    They don't care about these attacks, it is all a game to them.   And I've had it with them. 

All i did was to point out how quick people are to blame Al Qaeda, when recent events have shown it more likely to be a home grown attack. My first comment was more in jest (which is why i added your signature **sigh**) but you become very defensive when i said it could have been an American Christian.  But please point out anywhere in my posts did i once argue that 9/11 was a one time thing or claim any other conspiracy crap?

You are very quick to complain about people "jumping all over you" about this remark, which was not my intention, but then you can't really complain about other people doing something like that when you post this because someone has a differing opinion than yourself.:

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FanFiltration said:

Why Were People TOLD To "STAY CALM" Before Boston Marathon Bombings?

please take your fucking stupid asinine conspiracy theories, shove them up your fucking ass and get the fuck out of here.  You jerk.

Warbler said:

Go fuck yourself.

You see what i mean? Anything that anyone has said in here towards you is FAR less aggressive and nothing like "jumping all over you" as this type of reply.

 

 

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adywan said:

Warbler said:

CP3S said:

In both cases, it was just someone stating their opposing opinion. Why are differing opinions and views so threatening to you? From getting defensive when someone feels your view is wrong, to cussing out fellow forum members when they hold a view you find distasteful, to wanting to lock up Alex Jones because you can't stand him.

  it is not just differing opinions.   It is criticizing me for 'daring' to think it possible that Al Qaeda did this.    They argued that 911 was just one time thing and that "Al Qaeda hasn't attacked us in 12 years",when Al Qaeda has attacked us and other countries multiple times, threaten to do so again, and multiple would be attacks from Al Qaeda on American  continue to be thwarted.   Just this week an Al Qaeda linked attack on a Canada train was stopped.   

As for the conspiracy crap, I wasn't 100% serious about wanting Alex Jones locked up, although I really can't stand him.   I find these conspiracy theorists very offensive.   They besmirch my country with no real proof.    They don't care about these attacks, it is all a game to them.   And I've had it with them. 

All i did was to point out how quick people are to blame Al Qaeda,

Wow! what a shock!!!   People are quick to guess a terrorist group that

  •  has killed Americans and innocent people from other Nations
  •  threatened do so again and again
  • and keeps trying trying to do

for a terrorist attack.   man, what a terrible thing to do.    Poor innocent angelic Al Qaeda.   what terrible bastard I am for daring to suggest it possible. 

Tell me something adywan, if a group of people killing multiple family members of yours, threatened do so again, trying repeatedly to do again, and then another family member of yours winds up murdered.   Are you going to honestly tell me you wouldn't suspect that group of murdered the family member?  That it would be jumping the gun? 

finally in case you missed this post from C3PS:

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I stopped reading it after Adywans first post when I reread it before my last post, just now I read more, and the discussion goes on for longer than I thought it did. It is stupid, especially since the OP asked for people's thoughts on who it might have been. You merely said that would be your guess. Hardly anything harmful, considering Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization that prides itself for killing civilians, they are more than fair game.

 

adywan said:

when recent events have shown it more likely to be a home grown attack.

if it had been someone running through the crowd randomly shooting people, I would agree.    But since when had American had a rash bomb attacks by Americans?

adywan said:

My first comment was more in jest (which is why i added your signature **sigh**) but you become very defensive when i said it could have been an American Christian. 

I did?   No, I became defensive when people accused me of borderline racism.  

As my reaction to you saying it could have been a white Christian, here is what I said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

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I just saw on CNN there was a third explosion at JFK library.   

If I had one guess, I'd guess Al Qaeda did this. 

yeh, because it has to be a Muslim terrorist doesn't it. It couldn't possibly be the act of an American Christian now, could it?

**sigh**

of course it doesn't have to a Muslim terrorist.   I was making a guess, not a conclusion.   btw, why does it have to be an American Christian?  It could be an America Jew or an American atheist or an American of some other religion.   Or it could be someone from England or France or N. Korea.   Who the heck knows.

I also said this:

Warbler said:

 

But again let's stress, that this needs to be fully and fairly investigated.   Of course it is possible that Al Qaeda had nothing to do with this.   Let this be fully investigated and see what the evidence shows.  I am fully open to the possibility that Al Qaeda is totally innocent of this.    

that really sound all that defensive?

I think it was Ender that became defensive about the White Christian stuff.   But it does seem odd to me that with no evidence or anything, it was wrong and racist to blame a terrorist organization, but ok to blame White Christians. 

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But please point out anywhere in my posts did i once argue that 9/11 was a one time thing or claim any other conspiracy crap?

I never claimed you believed any conspiracy crap, nor did I intend to claim that.     Nor did I say that you said 911 was a one time thing.   It was zombie84 that said that:

zombie84 said: and the reason I took some issue with that is because 9/11 was a long time ago and, really, an isolated incident,

 

 

adywan said:

You are very quick to complain about people "jumping all over you" about this remark, which was not my intention, but then you can't really complain about other people doing something like that when you post this because someone has a differing opinion than yourself.:

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FanFiltration said:

Why Were People TOLD To "STAY CALM" Before Boston Marathon Bombings?

please take your fucking stupid asinine conspiracy theories, shove them up your fucking ass and get the fuck out of here.  You jerk.

Warbler said:

Go fuck yourself.

You see what i mean? Anything that anyone has said in here towards you is FAR less aggressive and nothing like "jumping all over you" as this type of reply.

I said that in response to fanfiltration's crazy conspiracy crap.   I am sorry, but I have zero patience anymore with this conspiracy crap.  Every time a tragedy happens they come out of the woodwork and blame the government or say it really didn't happen or some other crap.    Others in here can vouch for me that I don't react this way every time someone has a differing opinion than myself.    It is not just that I disagree with it, I find this conspiracy crap nutty, stupid, offensive and disrespectful to the victims and their friends and family.


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You know what, Warbler, i actually think you don't bother to read peoples posts properly before replying or you completely misinterpret what has been said. The underline section i quoted from you was your reply to this CP3S post:

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Also, rereading the first page of this thread, I don't think people jumped all over you and called you racist. A Canadian guy who apparently thinks Al-Qaeda is a race, if he was in fact responding to your comment, said it is almost borderline racist to automatically assume it was a Muslim organization rather than consider the possibility that it might be homegrown. That was one person, not people, and he wasn't exactly accusing you of racism.

Adywan was the other one that "jumped all over you", and his wasn't really anything harsh either. He was just sharing his opinion that he feels it was premature to assume foreign terrorists, when we have plenty of issues with public violence right here on the home front.

In both cases, it was just someone stating their opposing opinion. Why are differing opinions and views so threatening to you? From getting defensive when someone feels your view is wrong, to cussing out fellow forum members when they hold a view you find distasteful, to wanting to lock up Alex Jones because you can't stand him.

and you replied to this:

Warbler said:

  it is not just differing opinions.   It is criticizing me for 'daring' to think it possible that Al Qaeda did this.    They argued that 911 was just one time thing and that "Al Qaeda hasn't attacked us in 12 years",when Al Qaeda has attacked us and other countries multiple times, threaten to do so again, and multiple would be attacks from Al Qaeda on American  continue to be thwarted.   Just this week an Al Qaeda linked attack on a Canada train was stopped.   

As for the conspiracy crap, I wasn't 100% serious about wanting Alex Jones locked up, although I really can't stand him.   I find these conspiracy theorists very offensive.   They besmirch my country with no real proof.    They don't care about these attacks, it is all a game to them.   And I've had it with them. 

So you then twisted what i wrote, by quoting only a small part of my post, to make out that i am jumping all over you again about your "guess" about Al Qaeda. But my post was nothing about that. In your reply to CP3S, who mentioned me as "the other one" you said that (please read the bold and underlined section as i originally highlighted) :

Warbler said:

  it is not just differing opinions.   It is criticizing me for 'daring' to think it possible that Al Qaeda did this.    They argued that 911 was just one time thing and that "Al Qaeda hasn't attacked us in 12 years",when Al Qaeda has attacked us and other countries multiple times, threaten to do so again, and multiple would be attacks from Al Qaeda on American  continue to be thwarted.   Just this week an Al Qaeda linked attack on a Canada train was stopped.  

Now by saying "they", in direct response to the CP3S's post implies that i was also one of those arguing that 9/11 was just a one time thing. If it was just Zombie that you were talking about then surely you would have said "he" and not "they"?. Yet you then only quote one line to change my posts meaning and then come back with some lame ass sarcastic and defensive reply.

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adywan said:

All i did was to point out how quick people are to blame Al Qaeda,

Wow! what a shock!!!   People are quick to guess a terrorist group that

  •  has killed Americans and innocent people from other Nations
  •  threatened do so again and again
  • and keeps trying trying to do

for a terrorist attack.   man, what a terrible thing to do.    Poor innocent angelic Al Qaeda.   what terrible bastard I am for daring to suggest it possible. 

Tell me something adywan, if a group of people killing multiple family members of yours, threatened do so again, trying repeatedly to do again, and then another family member of yours winds up murdered.   Are you going to honestly tell me you wouldn't suspect that group of murdered the family member?  That it would be jumping the gun?

Again, i was NOT calling you out for guessing Al Qaeda , but merely stating that some people will jump to the conclusion that a terrorist attack is down to Al Qaeda. I was NOT saying that you shouldn't have said that. I was NOT jumping on you for saying it.  It was more in reply to all the news channels / forums etc that when anything happens like this then its first and foremost Al Qaeda, without any evidence or any leads on what has actually happened and not just in the Boston bombings.

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adywan said:

You know what, Warbler, i actually think you don't bother to read peoples posts properly before replying or you completely misinterpret what has been said. The underline section i quoted from you was your reply to this CP3S post:

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Also, rereading the first page of this thread, I don't think people jumped all over you and called you racist. A Canadian guy who apparently thinks Al-Qaeda is a race, if he was in fact responding to your comment, said it is almost borderline racist to automatically assume it was a Muslim organization rather than consider the possibility that it might be homegrown. That was one person, not people, and he wasn't exactly accusing you of racism.

Adywan was the other one that "jumped all over you", and his wasn't really anything harsh either. He was just sharing his opinion that he feels it was premature to assume foreign terrorists, when we have plenty of issues with public violence right here on the home front.

In both cases, it was just someone stating their opposing opinion. Why are differing opinions and views so threatening to you? From getting defensive when someone feels your view is wrong, to cussing out fellow forum members when they hold a view you find distasteful, to wanting to lock up Alex Jones because you can't stand him.

and you replied to this:

Warbler said:

  it is not just differing opinions.   It is criticizing me for 'daring' to think it possible that Al Qaeda did this.    They argued that 911 was just one time thing and that "Al Qaeda hasn't attacked us in 12 years",when Al Qaeda has attacked us and other countries multiple times, threaten to do so again, and multiple would be attacks from Al Qaeda on American  continue to be thwarted.   Just this week an Al Qaeda linked attack on a Canada train was stopped.   

As for the conspiracy crap, I wasn't 100% serious about wanting Alex Jones locked up, although I really can't stand him.   I find these conspiracy theorists very offensive.   They besmirch my country with no real proof.    They don't care about these attacks, it is all a game to them.   And I've had it with them. 

So you then twisted what i wrote, by quoting only a small part of my post, to make out that i am jumping all over you again about your "guess" about Al Qaeda. But my post was nothing about that. In your reply to CP3S, who mentioned me as "the other one" you said that (please read the bold and underlined section as i originally highlighted) :

Warbler said:

  it is not just differing opinions.   It is criticizing me for 'daring' to think it possible that Al Qaeda did this.    They argued that 911 was just one time thing and that "Al Qaeda hasn't attacked us in 12 years",when Al Qaeda has attacked us and other countries multiple times, threaten to do so again, and multiple would be attacks from Al Qaeda on American  continue to be thwarted.   Just this week an Al Qaeda linked attack on a Canada train was stopped.  

sorry, I should have made it more clear that it was Zombie84  and only him that said 911 was an isolated incident.   I have corrected the post.  

adywan said:

Now by saying "they", in direct response to the CP3S's post implies that i was also one of those arguing that 9/11 was just a one time thing. If it was just Zombie that you were talking about then surely you would have said "he" and not "they"?. Yet you then only quote one line to change my posts meaning and then come back with some lame ass sarcastic and defensive reply.

I didn't change your post's meaning.   I merely broke your post up in to separate parts.  

you originally posted:

adywan said:

All i did was to point out how quick people are to blame Al Qaeda, when recent events have shown it more likely to be a home grown attack.

I reposted it as:

adywan said:

All i did was to point out how quick people are to blame Al Qaeda, 

responded then reposted:

adywan said:

 when recent events have shown it more likely to be a home grown attack.

I did not twist your words. 

 

adywan said:

 

Warbler said:

adywan said:

All i did was to point out how quick people are to blame Al Qaeda,

Wow! what a shock!!!   People are quick to guess a terrorist group that

  •  has killed Americans and innocent people from other Nations
  •  threatened do so again and again
  • and keeps trying trying to do

for a terrorist attack.   man, what a terrible thing to do.    Poor innocent angelic Al Qaeda.   what terrible bastard I am for daring to suggest it possible. 

Tell me something adywan, if a group of people killing multiple family members of yours, threatened do so again, trying repeatedly to do again, and then another family member of yours winds up murdered.   Are you going to honestly tell me you wouldn't suspect that group of murdered the family member?  That it would be jumping the gun?

Again, i was NOT calling you out for guessing Al Qaeda , but merely stating that some people will jump to the conclusion that a terrorist attack is down to Al Qaeda.  I was NOT saying that you shouldn't have said that. I was NOT jumping on you for saying it.  It was more in reply to all the news channels / forums etc that when anything happens like this then its first and foremost Al Qaeda, without any evidence or any leads on what has actually happened and not just in the Boston bombings.

sure as heck seemed like you were saying I was one of those people in the underlined.


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        NewElvis has been cleared of any wrongdoing. It's only the first three or four days that matter. They went as for as they could to turn this into a domestic white Christian terrorist thing. They still haven't fingered any white males for "Waco". I expect that whoever they had lined up dodged the bullet because the explosion killed more that just the evil white southern males working at the evil fertilizer plant. After getting away with Fast and Furious these jackals must be feeling pretty invincible, but devestating a neighborhood full of women and children probably suggested that they not push it all the way.Yeah, I'm going to stick with the radical Muslim thing planned by Muslim rads with the NewElvis and "Waco" ops being in the works for years to cover and distract.

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They still haven't fingered any white males ...

Gross.

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        NewElvis has been cleared of any wrongdoing. It's only the first three or four days that matter. They went as for as they could to turn this into a domestic white Christian terrorist thing. They still haven't fingered any white males for "Waco". I expect that whoever they had lined up dodged the bullet because the explosion killed more that just the evil white southern males working at the evil fertilizer plant. After getting away with Fast and Furious these jackals must be feeling pretty invincible, but devestating a neighborhood full of women and children probably suggested that they not push it all the way.Yeah, I'm going to stick with the radical Muslim thing planned by Muslim rads with the NewElvis and "Waco" ops being in the works for years to cover and distract.

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It's good to know what people are saying.

 

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This thread has gotten kind of sad. I'll just check the news for updates.

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Warbler, I said 9/11 was isolated when it came to American soil. It is. Even though foreign embassies have had attacks committed against them, as far as United States citizens living in the borders of the United States, 9/11 was a one-time deal. That's a fact. It happened once, over a decade ago. Teenage kids have now grown up that you can have an intelligent conversation with who have never known what it is like to experience a time when Al Queda was an aggressor. Get over 9/11. There are over 70,000 people killed in a mild genocide in Syria over the past year and a half that is the worst tragedy since Rwanda that requires your more immediate outrage and attention. If 9/11 fills you with rage, Boston makes you upset, then Syria should give you a full blown stroke. Unless you feel "they don't count" then all of this needs to be put into perspective. In the list of world tragedy's, 9/11 is a fart.

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zombie84 said:

Warbler, I said 9/11 was isolated when it came to American soil. It is. Even though foreign embassies have had attacks committed against them, as far as United States citizens living in the borders of the United States, 9/11 was a one-time deal.

One time deal? I guess you forgot about the first attack on the World Trade Center.  

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That's a fact. It happened once, over a decade ago.

correction: twice

zombie84 said:

Teenage kids have now grown up that you can have an intelligent conversation with who have never known what it is like to experience a time when Al Queda was an aggressor.

that is 1000000000000% bullshit.

zombie84 said:

Get over 9/11.

no, never, not in my lifetime.   how dare you try to tell me to just get over the murder of 3000 innocent people. 

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There are over 70,000 people killed in a mild genocide in Syria over the past year and a half that is the worst tragedy since Rwanda that requires your more immediate outrage and attention.

you don't think I care about what is happening in Syria?  you are sadly mistaken.    

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If 9/11 fills you with rage, Boston makes you upset, then Syria should give you a full blown stroke. Unless you feel "they don't count" then all of this needs to be put into perspective.

 

 

 


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go fuck yourself.  why don't you go out and by yourself an Al Qaeda tee-shirt and ball cap.   

I am putting you on ignore.   I am done talking with you.


Taunting him by calling him an Al Qaeda sympathizer like this is a very poor move. I agree that people pick on you man, but it's hard to sympathize when you react like this.

Anyway, here's the thoughts of someone who was SEVEN when 9/11 happened. I get that it was a tragedy. Hell, my aunt worked in the second building (and somehow survived.) The thing that matters now though? That day, nobody was from the South - or the Left Coast - or New England, or whatever. We were all American. Even though this event happened in New York, we felt it all the way in California.

And that patriotic spirit is totally fucked now. We need to still think like that, no matter what kind of tragedy ends up sparking it. Now, I don't mean the Team America attitude of FUCK YEAH. I mean the fact that it was a rude awakening that brought people together.

So in that sense, I won't forget that 9/11 made me an American instead of a Californian. But dwelling on it won't do us any good either.

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Warbler said:

zombie84 said:

Teenage kids have now grown up that you can have an intelligent conversation with who have never known what it is like to experience a time when Al Queda was an aggressor.

that is 1000000000000% bullshit.

 

It's 100% fact, whether you like it or not. Kids aren't going to know about an embassy attack halfway around the world. The last time Al Queda struck the United States was 12 years ago.

Again, keep things in perspective. That was a long time ago and there have been hundreds of thousands of homicides of innocent people in the United States since then. If the homicide rate in the United States ever went down to 3000 people a year it would practically be considered world peace. It's the inability to move beyond the tragedy of one afternoon that has created a whole new set of problems that really don't need to exist.

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zombie84 said:

Warbler, I said 9/11 was isolated when it came to American soil. It is. Even though foreign embassies have had attacks committed against them, as far as United States citizens living in the borders of the United States, 9/11 was a one-time deal. That's a fact.

That's not a fact. Not too many years before 9/11 there was a botched attempt at bombing the World Trade Center via a truck loaded with explosives in the parking garage. Only a small handful of people were killed, but over a thousand were injured. Not isolated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Hanafi_Siege

 

There are over 70,000 people killed in a mild genocide in Syria over the past year and a half that is the worst tragedy since Rwanda that requires your more immediate outrage and attention. If 9/11 fills you with rage, Boston makes you upset, then Syria should give you a full blown stroke. Unless you feel "they don't count" then all of this needs to be put into perspective. In the list of world tragedy's, 9/11 is a fart.

I very much agree with this.

I didn't live in America at the time of 9/11, or the few years preceding and following it, and I've always had a really hard time relating to Americans on it. I remember the event even put an end to my email correspondences with my friends in the US (all of which I've never reconnected with), right after this happened every email I got was so filled with hatred and rage, I just stopped emailing them back. It was this ignorant disdain for all things non-American, especially eastern, and it was really dumb sounding and annoying. Lots of ragging on the French too.

Perhaps you had to have been there. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand the rage Americans have when they speak about 9/11. It was horrific, but so few people died, so many violent acts have happened before and since that have claimed so many more innocent lives (including our stupid wars) and we forget about them moments after hearing about them. 

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Warbler said:

zombie84 said:

Teenage kids have now grown up that you can have an intelligent conversation with who have never known what it is like to experience a time when Al Queda was an aggressor.

that is 1000000000000% bullshit.

How is that bullshit? It is true. You're not still pissed off about Pearl Harbor, are you, Warb? Someone who was five when 9/11 happened, is sixteen. Ten year olds at the time are now of legal drinking age.

I work with kids in these age ranges. None of them talk about Al Qaeda or 9/11. A lot don't even really remember much of the events. When the Boston Marathon bombing happened, the first thing they thought of wasn't "OMG! Islamic terrorists!" It was, "Crap, another psycho!"

 

zombie84 said:

There are over 70,000 people killed in a mild genocide in Syria over the past year and a half that is the worst tragedy since Rwanda that requires your more immediate outrage and attention.

you don't think I care about what is happening in Syria?  you are sadly mistaken.    

He isn't saying you don't care, he is saying that 9/11 was pushing twelve years ago and you are still enraged and freaked out by it, while things like the events in Syria are easily a multitude more horrific, but it isn't near as big of a deal to you as 9/11.

But obviously, if someone is murdered on a doorstep on the other side of town, or in another state, the other side of the continent, or in another country, it doesn't have near the impact on you as someone murdered on your own doorstep. Zombie is kind of ignoring this phenomena.

 

zombie84 said:

If 9/11 fills you with rage, Boston makes you upset, then Syria should give you a full blown stroke. Unless you feel "they don't count" then all of this needs to be put into perspective.

 

 

zombie84 said: In the list of world tragedy's, 9/11 is a fart.

go fuck yourself.  why don't you go out and by yourself an Al Qaeda tee-shirt and ball cap.   

I am putting you on ignore.   I am done talking with you.

Shit, Warb.

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I apologize to zombie84 and the rest of the forum for losing my temper last night.    I especially apologize for calling him an Al Qaeda sympathizer.    I am taking him off ignore and deleting my offensive comments. 


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zombie84 said:

Warbler said:

zombie84 said:

Teenage kids have now grown up that you can have an intelligent conversation with who have never known what it is like to experience a time when Al Queda was an aggressor.

that is 1000000000000% bullshit.

 

It's 100% fact, whether you like it or not. Kids aren't going to know about an embassy attack halfway around the world. The last time Al Queda struck the United States was 12 years ago.

that is incorrect.   Maybe they haven't struck in the US in 12 years, but they have killed Americans since then.   Also multiple attempts at attacking America in American have been thwarted.  Al Qaeda is still trying to kill Americans and innocents of other Nations and is still an aggressor. 

zombie84 said:

Again, keep things in perspective. That was a long time ago and there have been hundreds of thousands of homicides of innocent people in the United States since then. If the homicide rate in the United States ever went down to 3000 people a year it would practically be considered world peace.

yeah I more than 3000 people are murdered each every year, but what doesn't happen every year is people hijacking planes full of innocent people and ramming them into buildings full of innocent, killing 3000 innocent people. 

zombie84 said:

 It's the inability to move beyond the tragedy of one afternoon that has created a whole new set of problems that really don't need to exist.

well I am really sorry for getting enraged when 3000 Americans get murdered.  And I am so sorry my country went after the murderers.

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bkev said:

Anyway, here's the thoughts of someone who was SEVEN when 9/11 happened.

wow,  you make me feel so old. 

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I get that it was a tragedy. Hell, my aunt worked in the second building (and somehow survived.) The thing that matters now though? That day, nobody was from the South - or the Left Coast - or New England, or whatever. We were all American. Even though this event happened in New York, we felt it all the way in California.

And that patriotic spirit is totally fucked now. We need to still think like that, no matter what kind of tragedy ends up sparking it. Now, I don't mean the Team America attitude of FUCK YEAH. I mean the fact that it was a rude awakening that brought people together.

So in that sense, I won't forget that 9/11 made me an American instead of a Californian.

I agree completely here. 

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But dwelling on it won't do us any good either.

maybe I do dwell on it too much, but I can't help it.  The images of that day are burned into my mind.  

 

 


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CP3S said:

I didn't live in America at the time of 9/11, or the few years preceding and following it, and I've always had a really hard time relating to Americans on it.

this I do not understand.   Although you weren't in the country at the time, you were an American at the time, correct?   How would where you physically were at the time, effect how you feel about 911?  

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I remember the event even put an end to my email correspondences with my friends in the US (all of which I've never reconnected with)

sorry to here that.

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, right after this happened every email I got was so filled with hatred and rage, I just stopped emailing them back.

what is wrong with hatred and rage at the people who did 911?

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It was this ignorant disdain for all things non-American, especially eastern,

did you mean middle eastern?  I could understand your complaints if they were saying bigoted things. 

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and it was really dumb sounding and annoying. Lots of ragging on the French too.

well, the French do look down their noses at us.

CP3S said:

Perhaps you had to have been there. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand the rage Americans have when they speak about 9/11.

I don't know how you couldn't.  

CP3S said:

It was horrific, but so few people died,

ok, CP3S, you need to explain this.  so few people????????????????????

CP3S said:

so many violent acts have happened before and since that have claimed so many more innocent lives (including our stupid wars)

could have sworn there was time when you didn't feel the wars were stupid.   I hate war, but the people that did 911 needed to be brought to justice.   At least the wars rid us of these guys:

 

I mean you have to admit it is good thing these guys are no longer alive.

 

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and we forget about them moments after hearing about them. 

I haven't forgotten about the deaths in the wars and tragedies since 911. 


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