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Well, watching it on a calibrated SMPTE broadcast monitor, the image is not too dark, in fact it is spot on, the colour saturation is a little high, but not overly so - certainly nothing like the screenshots posted.
The problem is that most people adjust their TV to a disc they think is a good reference, but in reality their colour, contrast and brightness settings are way off.
If you don't have access to a colour analyser, then I would at least buy the AVIA calibration DVDs and set your TV up properly.
Having said that, I use a DVD player that remembers the gamma, colour and brightness settings for each disc, as some are so far from reference specs that you need to adjust your unit to get the best picture.
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But are you watching the Region 1 NTSC disc? It would seem that version has the most "creative" decisions of all the regions.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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There's no difference in transfer between r1 and r4, because all the transfers on all the regions are coming from the same masters, pressed up at the same plants as the other regions. Since they're all coming from the same transfer, there is absolutely zero reason for there to be color discrepancies from one disc to another, and any percieved color discrepancies are artifacts of the monitor or TV or projector being used for playback on the consumer end. Period.

Also, this color stuff? C'mon now. Every laserdisc capture, save for Zion's, Gonzo's and apparently Jedi's, from what I can see of his screencaps, has been washed out and desaturated. Chewie's too BROWN on the new DVD's? You're kidding me, right? I've seen the Chewie suit (in museum lighting with dark surroundings and spot lights), so does that make me an expert on color too? I dunno, but I'm pretty sure if I look at that comparison pic again, it's probably pretty certain that Chewie isn't SUPPOSED to look like a color-drained graymeat cancer patient in that shot. If I have to choose between "HE can't possibly be that brown" and "Leia's face has red on it" or a LOWRY restoration? I think I'm taking Lowry. Not like they're trusted by some of the most visual minds in Hollywood or anything.

I mean, we can rant and rave about Lowry oversaturating the color, but you gotta remember, the point of reference you seem to be using are old, out of date, washed out, overbright home video transfers. I mean, this is an industry that thought widescreen transfers were completely nutty up until the late 80's. If they were perfectly fine with cutting anywhere from 15-40 percent of the picture off, why would you think they were completely faithful to the contrast and brightness levels? They were chopping the sides off these films to fit the TV's, and they were artificially brightening them so that your typical consumer could safely enjoy watching the flick in their light-flooded living room on their TV, complete with picture settings factory-set on Torch Mode.

And you're saying that's how Star Wars is SUPPOSED to look? It's supposed to look desaturated and washed out? You're telling me "colors that couldn't exist in the real world" is a BAD thing in a movie consisting of EXPLOSIONS IN SPACE, LASER SWORDS and walking, talking ROBOTS?

Maybe the color isn't oversaturated..maybe you're simply too used to a washed out, desaturated picture to recognize brilliant color fidelity when you see it?

That seems a lot more plausible.

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Lowry had nothing to do with the colors, that was all done by ILM first, then given to Lowry to clean the film up.

It's all here:

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/feature/20040916/

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Lowry still did some color tweaking on their own, as John himself discussed at the press event in July, specifically when dealing with cleaning up old optical effects shots. But I do thank you for the correction. I thought the majority of the color correction was handled by Lowry, turns out a smaller portion of it was.

BUT:

Either way, the point I made still stands--trying to judge a DVD image by laserdisc standards is pretty ridiculous. No one stands around looking at Indy Jones and going "There's no way this movie looks like that. Look how COLORFUL it is. Look how GREEN those trees are. Why isn't everything more pale and washed out like my laserdiscs are?"

You've got people in here pissing all over a phenomenal restoration because it doesn't look like a early 90's laserdisc transfer, and that's silly as hell. You've got people trying to convince others that a washed out, desaturated image of Chewie looking more GRAY than anything is closer to correct because "There's no way that shade of brown exists on earth.." Which is in and of itself a ludicrous statement.

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Originally posted by: The Bizzle


Either way, the point I made still stands--trying to judge a DVD image by laserdisc standards is pretty ridiculous. No one stands around looking at Indy Jones and going "There's no way this movie looks like that. Look how COLORFUL it is. Look how GREEN those trees are. Why isn't everything more pale and washed out like my laserdiscs are?"

You've got people in here pissing all over a phenomenal restoration because it doesn't look like a early 90's laserdisc transfer, and that's silly as hell. You've got people trying to convince others that a washed out, desaturated image of Chewie looking more GRAY than anything is closer to correct because "There's no way that shade of brown exists on earth.." Which is in and of itself a ludicrous statement.


Totally agree with that. Although it is not unheard of that different regions have received different copies of the same master title from other regions due to some stupid marketting idea, I believe in this case it is more than likely the same, and people either have their equipment whether TV or PC setup incorrectly, or simply are too used to a poorer picture after years of the VHS and LD releases, which truthfully were always shit quality in comparison to VHS and LD copies of movies made around the same time as the original trilogy. It's sad but it's true, the OOT was/has never been released in a decent quality, but like I've said if the 93 or 95 LDs are the best copis of the OOT we'll ever have, I'm happy coz it could be worse.

In general if Star Wars, Empre, and Jedi were made in the last couple of years, the colours would have looked similar to what we see on the DVDs, regardless that this colour treatment has been done digitally. End of story.

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Although it is not unheard of that different regions have received different copies of the same master title from other regions due to some stupid marketting idea, I believe in this case it is more than likely the same


You are right, there are instances where different regions get different masters to press off of (DVDbeaver is a great site for showing this off) but in this case, all the discs WERE pressed up off of the exact same masters. Only the region coding and the menus changed.

And I also don't get the lack of love the Dr Gonzo set gets here. Keep in mind, this set is over THREE years old. And the color fidelity is STILL better than the TR47 set and the other captures often mentioned in here, save for the Zion and Jedi captures, done with VERY big leaps in technology between now and then. It's weird that no one's recognizing this.
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The DrGonzo set, or the Anamorphic set as we called it then, was the first set I ever got, and figured if this is all I could ever get I would be happy as I was impressed at the effort that was put into providing all the supplemental materials, and creating those decent looking menus as well as nice anamorphic picture and Dolby compressed audio.

When I first got the TR47 set and watched it on PC I was heavily disappointed as the clarity was awful in regards to encoding, and seemed a lot dirtier. Yet when I watched it on my TV which is a 2 year old Panasonic 68cm that although sounds measely compared to todays HD plama sets, is still a kick ass set to compare DVDs with.

On it the TR47 seemed sharper and the colours much stronger. I believe that the only reason DrGonzo seems to be blurry is because it was made anamorphic from a source that wouldn't exaclty be the smartest way to make an anamorphic version, but unfortunately we have no other way of doing it.

Truth is whether the new sets being ripped are made anamorphic or not, I'm glad I have the DrGonzo set so when I move out and get a 16:9 TV I'll have a set that does not require zooming in to watch "correctly", as I believe it is a rediculous idea to do so, and probably won't look as blurry when doing so. That's just my opinion.
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"There's no difference in transfer between r1 and r4, because all the transfers on all the regions are coming from the same masters, pressed up at the same plants as the other regions. "

And yet some are PAL, and some are NTSC. Just because the master is the same, doesn't mean something doesn't happen between that point and actually going onto the DVD. Otherwise, the foreign language soundtracks would have the same drop-outs as the English soundtrack - and yet they don't .

Keep in mind that while the Def. Col. and Faces LD sets both come from the same masters, they are not the same transfers - CLV vs. CAV, the Def. Col. has much more "noise reduction" applied. You are discounting many important and rather obvious factors that can have an effect on the visual/audio between mastering and retail.

"I mean, we can rant and rave about Lowry oversaturating the color, but you gotta remember, the point of reference you seem to be using are old, out of date, washed out, overbright home video transfers."

That's rich. Rather than saying the DVD "home video transfer" is capable of being incorrect, your reasoning is that every single "home video transfer" prior to it has been incorrect? Apparently you don't feel that Lucas is capable of messing up the DVD in any extent compared to these other transfers? LOL.

"If they were perfectly fine with cutting anywhere from 15-40 percent of the picture off, why would you think they were completely faithful to the contrast and brightness levels?"

And then have the nerve to call it the "Definitive Collection"? Gee, I dunno. Apparently, it's impossible for LFL to make any mistakes this time... :roll eyes;

Sorry, but this "There's no reason for them not to get it perfect" reasoning discounts a great deal of known information, with no real proof, I might add.

"You're telling me "colors that couldn't exist in the real world" is a BAD thing in a movie consisting of EXPLOSIONS IN SPACE, LASER SWORDS and walking, talking ROBOTS?"

Please. Non-sequitir.

"Maybe the color isn't oversaturated..maybe you're simply too used to a washed out, desaturated picture to recognize brilliant color fidelity when you see it? That seems a lot more plausible."

So the DVD is fine, and these problems are all in our heads? Every DVD screencap I've seen on every forum shows blue push, and now you are telling me that this is because every person who has made a capture has had the blue push on their computer, rather than on the DVD itself? That's rather odd reasoning, considering that the more prevalent scenario of misadjusted tvs/monitors would be being too bright, and an overbright monitor would more likely show a red push...

If you have issues with the statements being made about the DVDs, you might want to post a little more corraborative evidence besides "you aren't really seeing what you are seeing." This is especially ironic considering the fact that the audio is screwed up on the DVDs. Missed that, didya?

"I thought the majority of the color correction was handled by Lowry, turns out a smaller portion of it was."

See what a difference a little research can do?

"trying to judge a DVD image by laserdisc standards is pretty ridiculous. No one stands around looking at Indy Jones and going "There's no way this movie looks like that. Look how COLORFUL it is. Look how GREEN those trees are. Why isn't everything more pale and washed out like my laserdiscs are?"

Perhaps they didn't make the same mistakes on Raiders as they did on ANH? Keep in mind that the lion's share of these comments are being made about ANH - the oldest of the films. The extent of damage and multiple restorations of this film over the years is quite well known. Hell, the SE's were a tremendous visual advantage over the Def. Col. and Faces set, and they don't show this blue push. I suppose you are going to say Lucas always wanted blue push in ANH, but never had the technology to create that until now?

BTW, if you really want to compare the process between ANH and Raiders, then the proof is in the pudding...
Over the years, Lowry Digital's computer algorithms have evolved from automating the removal of hundreds of pieces of dirt in a scene, to handling the 100,000 pieces of dirt in the Indiana Jones trilogy, to taking on the Star Wars trilogy which required automated and manual removal of up to a million pieces of dirt in scenes like R2-D2 and C-3PO's arrival on Tatooine in A New Hope.


Thousands versus millions. Hmmmmm. Mind you, this simply refers to the dirt clean-up. Shall we also get onto the subject of color fading as well? You don't think Paramount gave Lucas far better film to use on Raiders than he was originally given for Star Wars?

"You've got people in here pissing all over a phenomenal restoration because it doesn't look like a early 90's laserdisc transfer, and that's silly as hell. You've got people trying to convince others that a washed out, desaturated image of Chewie looking more GRAY than anything is closer to correct because "There's no way that shade of brown exists on earth.." Which is in and of itself a ludicrous statement."

Ah, so now the kernel of your own reasoning shows itself. Heaven forbid the LDs ultimately have a more faithful color rendition than the DVDs. It's not like LFL can make mistakes, right? Not like all the mistakes you claim they've apparently been making on all these transfers up until now, right?

"You are right, there are instances where different regions get different masters to press off of (DVDbeaver is a great site for showing this off) but in this case, all the discs WERE pressed up off of the exact same masters. Only the region coding and the menus changed."

PPOR, and again, there are many steps between masters and final product. Saying we can't be right because Lucas could never get it wrong is flat-out ridiculous. Back it up.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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NEW DVD version out on the MYSPLEEN.NET torrents!

You get get full details under the torrent thread

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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: drjimmy526
Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
http://www.filmz.dk/filmz-compare-sw.php?ep=4
those screenshots are bogus. Here's an unretouched full resolution screencap in PNG format (to preserve all the detail) taken from the R4 (in theory exactly the same as R2):

http://s02.imagehost.org/0165/r4anh.png
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Nice pic, but it doesn't do much good without an R1 comparision shot.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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MeBe--I like your efforts in capturing your LD's, but yunno what? You don't know 2/3rds of what you're talking about over half the time. You really don't. Which is fine, because you're learning as you go, and that's typically the best way to learn--but most of your "rebuttal points" are best guesses and at worst rationalizations for your faulty memories. It's hard to hear you speak authoritatively on any subject about image quality when you can't even capture and burn your DVD correctly the first four times you try. FOR INSTANCE:

PAL vs NTSC isn't going to introduce the kind of color differences you're arguing about if the discs are being played on the proper monitors.

the SOUND SWAP on the dvd's has nothing to do with the color differences you think you're seeing.

You're trying to bring up everything BUT the fact that comparing a restored, remastered, retransferred DVD to an old, out of date, washed out Laserdisc transfer--and then saying the LASERDISC is closer to true is pretty ridiculous. I mean--there's a whole lot of your post dedicated to taking some kind of moral superiority stance to Lucasfilm. Trying to use "Definitive Collection" as some kind of condemnation of Lucasfilm's quality control, while missing the obvious fact that the title of the DVD IS A MARKETING TERM like Ultimate Edition or Special Edition. Plus then you flip flop on THAT by saying this obviously sub-par "Definitive Collection" That Lucas horribly fucked up with and screwed up IS, in fact, the way the movies REALLY should look.

Here--here's a bunch of comparisons.

http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_Changes/SW_Changes.htm
http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_Changes/ESB_Changes.htm
http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_Changes/ROTJ_Changes.htm

Weird. Blue push in the DVD's? I dunno about you, but I think the blue push is occurring behind your head somewhere, especially compared to the SE's directly above it, and the Originals above THAT. You are, as a matter of fact, the FIRST person online I've read anywhere to try and say the DVD's are leaning towards the blue end of the spectrum. It's making me wonder if you're just kind of randomly using tech-geek terminology without really understanding how to apply it. Of course, from reading your posts here, it's probably not enough that I just tell you to look at the screencaps, because then I'd have to trust you to KNOW what you're looking for, and I'm not sold that you KNOW what you're talking about. The fact you still use bullshit like "PPOR" helps me to continue thinking that.

Heaven forbid the LDs ultimately have a more faithful color rendition than the DVDs.

Apparently so. Considering you so easily throw away the idea that previous transfers WERE overbright and soft and washed out. This is fact, man. You've got Rattlesnake backing me up as well up above. I guess WE'RE both insane? I dunno..let's check with David Cronenberg...

excerpted from Film Art: An Introduction by David Bordwell and Kristin Thompson

"Another disparity between film and video involves contrast ratio. While the video camera can reproduce a maximum contrast ratio of 20:1, 35mm color film can reproduce a contrast ratio of 100:1. As a result of these factors, the 35mm film image can display a much greater range of tonalities. When a film is transferred to video, engineers typically handle the narrower contrast ratio by lightening the image, thereby losing the richness of shadow areas. "The versions of The Dead Zone and The Fly that you find on video carry my name," observes director David Cronenberg, "and they are the films that I made, but I hate the way they look on tape. Too bright."

Keep in mind this was long before DVD was thought of. The above happened with EVERY MOVIE. they overcranked the brightness and contrast. It's just a matter of fact that earlier transfers for the VHS and LD era WERE OVERBRIGHT.

And then lets check with Robert Harris, the man responsible for the restoration of Vertigo and Lawrence of Arabia:

When I finally made it back to the office and dropped the DVD of Star Wars into my player and viewed the image on my monitor I was pleased.

Later in the evening I sampled a number of different scenes from different discs on a larger system, and also was pleased.

The films are pretty.

They are clean.

this is a superb product.


Gee. You'd think if the guy responsible for film restoration of some DEFINITE CLASSICS had noticed a blue push, had thought the picture was oversaturated--he'd have mentioned it, right?

But that's not really the point of your argument, is it. It's boils down to this sentence.

Saying we can't be right because Lucas could never get it wrong is flat-out ridiculous.


See--I never SAID LUCAS COULD NEVER GET IT WRONG. You're seeing what you want to see and then trying to beat me over the head with it. What I said was that the SAME transfer got pressed to the SAME discs in the same plants as EVERY OTHER REGION got pressed at. PAL regions got that IDENTICAL transfer encoded in PAL. It's the SAME TRANSFER. You're not going to notice a color difference between R1 and R4, because it's the EXACT SAME NTSC transfer, simply with different region coding.

I've never said Lucas Could Never Get It Wrong, because I'm not the kind of fawning, sycophantic fanboy you want to paint me as. It's easier to wipe away my complaints that way, I know that, but that doesn't actually apply here. What I SAID was that the complaints here are ridiculous, and these transfers are all identical. Funny that Rattlesnake could recognize that pretty easy but instead you got all threatened and started bringing up stuff like the frigging AUDIO tracks when we're talking about PICTURE DISCREPANCIES. Hell, you can't even spell non-sequitur right.

Jesus Christ...


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It was a deliberate move on Lucasfilm´s account to color saturate the new 2004 DVD´s to make them look more like the PT films, which have much more contrast, are more colorful and with deeper black levels. You can see that those 2004 SE DVD´s are not closer to the original vision by Lucas back in the 70´s and 80´s then the LD and VHS releases. I remember clearly when seeing the movies in the cinema back then (and also in 97) that they had this desaturated gritty look that is represented quite well on the LD transfers. Lucas is making changes. He´s not only adding CGI, changing the story and characters, but he is also deliberately changing the way the films look, he wants a more "cartooney" look obviously because that´s what he´s brought us this time.

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Just a little concept of what future menus could look like.

http://img18.exs.cx/img18/4166/menuconcept.jpg
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"You don't know 2/3rds of what you're talking about over half the time."

Great. More contrived facts.

"You really don't. Which is fine, because you're learning as you go, and that's typically the best way to learn--but most of your "rebuttal points" are best guesses and at worst rationalizations for your faulty memories."

You know, it's really funny when some asshole comes around, pretending to know what they are talking about, and the one fact they DO bother to produce turns out to be wrong. Everything else was simply your baseless assumption with nothing to back it up.

"It's hard to hear you speak authoritatively on any subject about image quality when you can't even capture and burn your DVD correctly the first four times you try. FOR INSTANCE:"

Oh, for Christ sake, if you'd bother reading, you'd see I didn't even have the right calibration software. I only recently received Video Essentials a few days ago. It's funny the things one can learn with a little research. Not to mention the fact I've always been brutally honest about my transfers and their limitations. My "superiority" over Lucas is due to the fact that I'm willing to put in the effort for an O-OT release that he is not. In that respect, any transfer I make will be better than any that he refuses to make.

In addition to that, what's wrong with continually making improvements and refinements in my process? I suppose you nailed it your first time, if ever?

"PAL vs NTSC isn't going to introduce the kind of color differences you're arguing about if the discs are being played on the proper monitors."

I never said ONCE that it would produce color differences, simply that this "everything from the master is the same" crap was flat-out wrong. Not only are they different framerates, but PAL is progressive. Didya forget that one?

"the SOUND SWAP on the dvd's has nothing to do with the color differences you think you're seeing."

Again, I never said it did. It simply poked a huge whole in your pretense that Lucas wouldn't allow any kind of mistakes on these DVD's.

"You're trying to bring up everything BUT the fact that comparing a restored, remastered, retransferred DVD to an old, out of date, washed out Laserdisc transfer--and then saying the LASERDISC is closer to true is pretty ridiculous."

No, what's ridiculous is you contriving this argument and attributing it to me. Show me where I said this, please...oh, I forgot, such research isn't your thing.

"Here--here's a bunch of comparisons. Weird. Blue push in the DVD's? I dunno about you, but I think the blue push is occurring behind your head somewhere, especially compared to the SE's directly above it, and the Originals above THAT. You are, as a matter of fact, the FIRST person online I've read anywhere to try and say the DVD's are leaning towards the blue end of the spectrum."

I'm going to type this really slow for you:

1) The person above my post noted the blue color first, and I responded, so I was the SECOND person you saw mention this.
2) Every R1 DVD screencap I've seen has had blue push compared to the LDs.
3) The site you refer to has screencaps from the French DVD trailers - a decidely NON-R1 DVD, IIRC.

Apples to oranges. When you or someone else gets off their ass and puts an actual R1 DVD screencap next to an LD screencap, then they can be seriously compared. Until then, your evidence is worthless.

"it's probably not enough that I just tell you to look at the screencaps, because then I'd have to trust you to KNOW what you're looking for, and I'm not sold that you KNOW what you're talking about. The fact you still use bullshit like "PPOR" helps me to continue thinking that."

The screencaps are in these threads. Go back and rese.......nevermind.

"Considering you so easily throw away the idea that previous transfers WERE overbright and soft and washed out. This is fact, man."

I threw away nothing. Neither the LDs or DVD's are exactly the same as the original prints. They underwent extreme reconditioning, in case you forgot. Hell, the SW.COM quote talks about the new DVD prints looking like the 30-year-old dailies. I guess you are putting all your faith into this guy's ability to remember such colors 30 years later? LOL!

"Keep in mind this was long before DVD was thought of. The above happened with EVERY MOVIE. they overcranked the brightness and contrast. It's just a matter of fact that earlier transfers for the VHS and LD era WERE OVERBRIGHT."

So, now you are implying that this was never fixed in the Def. Col. or Faces set?

"Gee. You'd think if the guy responsible for film restoration of some DEFINITE CLASSICS had noticed a blue push, had thought the picture was oversaturated--he'd have mentioned it, right?"

Oh, and what a detailed description that is, too. :roll eyes;

"What I said was that the SAME transfer got pressed to the SAME discs in the same plants as EVERY OTHER REGION got pressed at. PAL regions got that IDENTICAL transfer encoded in PAL. It's the SAME TRANSFER. You're not going to notice a color difference between R1 and R4, because it's the EXACT SAME NTSC transfer, simply with different region coding."

Then why not post some screencaps from both, and actually prove me wrong, rather than depending on third-party out-of-context quotes which can used to prove almost any point imaginable.

Surely, you're up to that, RIGHT?!?

Oh, and as to Ratlsnake, he agreed with you in principle , but he did not prove your claims in any sense of the word. Go figure.

"Hell, you can't even spell non-sequitur right."

Wow, one misspelling and I lost you completely? Mind you, it was 2:00 in the morning, but I'm sorry to create so much confusion for you.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Great. More contrived facts.


At least you recognize them as facts, finally

Okay, firstly, please stop line-by-line quoting. once or twice is fine. But it's not like I can't just scroll up and re-read what I wrote if one of your responses loses me. It's not that hard. It makes arguing with you over something so ridiculously silly even more tiring.

and as far as your excuses for fucking your transfers up constantly goes, maybe if you spent less time measuring your dick all day with your constant fishing for ego hits via screencap showoffs, and more time studying up and working on the set itself, you'd have the set correctly done by now. Yunno, kinda like how Zion is already farther along with a better quality capture.

Anyway, once again, you keep trying to pull this "You don't think Lucas could EVER make a mistake" crap on me, and I've already said that's bullshit. Stop trying to use it. The whole point of my original posts was to say the color on these DVD's is fucking phenomenal. We're debating the color on these DVD's...which is why you bringing up the goddamn SOUNDTRACK makes no sense. You ignore the excerpt from the TEXTbook, you write off the comments by the premier name in film restoration--you can't even figure out how to encode a capture properly, but YOU know how these movies should look better than Robert Harris and George Lucas? You think that if Harris had noticed a "Blue Push" and had an issue with oversaturation, he WOULDN'T have mentioned it? those are significant flaws in a transfer. Someone who's career is dedicated to restoring film would NOTICE those flaws. the fact he didn't mention them should say something to you. the fact that there is documented AND anecdotal proof that pre-dvd transfers were routinely overbright as a standard practice should make you stop and think.

But instead, you're busy trying to place yourself on some sort of pedestal because you're sticking it to Lucas, and playing know-it-all about the color scheme of a set of movies you probably don't even really remember seeing theatrically. Meaning your point of reference were a series of overbright laserdisc transfers on TV sets you didn't even think to calibrate correctly until just recently. And you're trying to tell the rest of the people on this site that YOUR opinion on what the colors are supposed to look like is to be trusted? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HALF THE TIME, man. You have a working ignorance of how DVD's are made, and you can't even correctly figure out how to make your own.

Get back to work.
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"and as far as your excuses for fucking your transfers up constantly goes, maybe if you spent less time measuring your dick all day with your constant fishing for ego hits via screencap showoffs, and more time studying up and working on the set itself, you'd have the set correctly done by now. Yunno, kinda like how Zion is already farther along with a better quality capture."

Ah, so that's what it finally comes down to - simple personal attacks. Now, I'm a glory hog, eh? Anyone else here get that impression?

"the fact that there is documented AND anecdotal proof that pre-dvd transfers were routinely overbright as a standard practice should make you stop and think."

Too bad it proves nothing in this particular case. You know what would prove something? A simple side-by-side comparison of the R1 transfer and another region. You've yet to deliver, and I wonder why.

"But instead, you're busy trying to place yourself on some sort of pedestal because you're sticking it to Lucas"

LOL. Who came into this thread "on a pedestal"?

"and playing know-it-all about the color scheme of a set of movies you probably don't even really remember seeing theatrically."

Ironic. I seem to recall simply comparing the color scheme between the DVDs and the LDs. And as for not remembering the theatrical release, where did that come from? More baseless personal attacks. Pitty.

"Meaning your point of reference were a series of overbright laserdisc transfers on TV sets you didn't even think to calibrate correctly until just recently."

Once again, a lack of knowledge about me makes your statement look ridiculous. My TV is calibrated with the AVIA DVD. My laserdisc is hooked up to my computer, not my home theater system. Like I said, I've only recently acquired the VE LD.

"And you're trying to tell the rest of the people on this site that YOUR opinion on what the colors are supposed to look like is to be trusted?"

See above.

"YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HALF THE TIME, man. You have a working ignorance of how DVD's are made, and you can't even correctly figure out how to make your own."

Interesting. Apparently you believe I've shown myself to be a paragon of ignorance and stupidity regarding DVDs. Anyone else here get that impression? I was under the impression that many people were looking forward to my version, but I could be wrong.

BTW, I fail to see where you've established your credentials as someone fit to comment on these DVDs.

"Get back to work."

You too. Still waiting for those comparison pics that you apparently based your opinion on. Are they ready yet?

Meanwhile, I'll happily continue making the best LD-to-DVD versions I can, and you go on trashing people who have deliberately come to these boards because they don't like what Lucas has been doing lately. Good luck changing minds around here.. ROTFLMAO!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Bizzel, that kind of attitude is not something we welcome at these boards, so I suggest you take it elsewhere or appologise! Such arrogance and rudeness is totally uncalled for.

peace,

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peace,

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Hey, Bizzle.

Why don't you put all the work into your own version and letting the rest of us be the judge? Right or wrong, I have so far appreciated EVERYONE's efforts in their DVD creation of the original trilogy and would not want to alienate anyone doing so. Let's all keep it to suggestions and comments instead of clogging up the thread with bickering that is not getting a new transfer closer to us any faster.
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Bizzel, that kind of attitude is not something we welcome at these boards,


Sure it is. Read around this board. The difference is that I'm actually GOOD at implementing it worth a shit
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