Blu-Ray Of Unaltered Original Trilogy Rumour — Page 8

So if they decide to release theatrical version in HD format, I wonder if they will release 1997 SE as well. I mean there are some of us whose favourite version is 1997 SE.

rchdggr said:

A work of art is inherently tied to it's context and time.

Revisions yank it away from it's context and the revision is not the work of art.

I actually like your forward-looking stance. But SW:R is not Star Wars. It will never be. It's collaboration of the filmmakers and Adywan.

I really don't see how going forward and preserving artwork are mutually excluding. We can and we should do both. We do not need to cast away the feeling that our heritage should be preserved to move forward. On the contrary, the leaps we have made in preserving things, even things we thought were lost forever are HELPING US MOVE FORWARD.

Realizing that Star Wars has dated effects has improved fx work in general. Sure, there has been some terrible CGI but BY LOOKING BACK filmmakers are starting to take note that practical effects PLUS CGI can produce amazing stuff, somthing that neither method could produce on their own.

Had we cast aside emotions and feelings we have for good old practical effects and focusing solely on CGI, I for one wouldn't be all too excited by the upcoming ST. Since I know that the makers have realized that CGI alone doesn't really fly, I think we may see something truly amazing soon.

I don't think anything could evolve without the past which is the base. Even if you use yesterday as the base you build upon, you are still looking back. Not much but back nevertheless.

Adywan never collaborated with anyone involved in the production of Star Wars.

Collaboration is a reciprocal process.

Ady took the work of Lucas and co and made some adjustments.

Whether you like or dislike these adjustements/enhancements  is a matter of opinion.

danny_boy said:

Whether you like or dislike these adjustements/enhancements  is a matter of opinion.

Indeed, but to say that his version is definitively, objectively better than would be an official high-definition restoration of the OUT is patently ridiculous. Even Adywan himself agrees.

The fact that Haseo would be just fine with redubbing all the dialogue to bring it up to date really takes the cake, though, and shows Lucas-esque levels of revisionism. I mean, if we had the OUT already, then sure, replace all the actors with Jar-Jar for the next Special Edition for all I care, but not until then.

Lord Haseo said:

Harmy said:

Well, again, you take one bit of a good post and ignore the rest - he compared Ady's work to modernising a classic work of art like Mona Lisa to today's standards of beauty, which I think is a perfect analogy - it could be a fun little experiment but it sure as hell shouldn't be considered the new definitive version of Mona Lisa.

 I didn't respond because I agree with him for the most part. And plus this argument is rendered null and void because we all know the OUT will come to blu-ray eventually. Still doesn't detract from the fact that SW:R is better. Your argument is simply for historical and sentimental value. Let me put this in a more real world context. In 30-50 years cybernetics will advance to the point in which we can enhance our bodies and perhaps later on our actual brains. Many scientists believe that if there is other life in the cosmos that is advanced it could very well be a species of machines; The next step in evolution. Should we limit ourselves in achieving more just because this is the original body we were born with even though cybernetics can enhance our physical boundaries? I would fucking hope not.

The parameters by we which we judge Ady's work with Lucas are completely different.

As an example SW:R uses components of FX shots from other parts of the same film(and the subsequent films too)

Now the original film did this too(The Falcon approaching the death star and then later  yavin being the best example).

In the context of  a fan edit we can laud Ady for his ingenuity and imagination to re-use a component of a frame and insert it and combine it with other source elements.

Now if Lucas did the same thing and did it well......we would complain that he was still re-using stock footage(done during the original trench fly through several times).....he is a rich filmaker with the best FX company on the planet at his disposal......right?.....re-using stock footage or elements of stock footage  is unacceptable.

And if Lucas re-uses stock footage and  does it badly then we would complain anyway!

If Ady re-uses stock footage ......well we just we praise him for his imagination.....he is just a fan with humble tools at his disposal....right?

If he does it badly(which to be fair...he hasn't) then we may complain....but hey...it's just a fan edit.

You can't compare a fan edit with a theatrical presentation.

It is not so much that they are different beasts......it is the way we judge them.

Tyrphanax said:

danny_boy said:

Whether you like or dislike these adjustements/enhancements  is a matter of opinion.

Indeed, but to say that his version is definitively, objectively better than would be an official high-definition restoration of the OUT is patently ridiculous. Even Adywan himself agrees.

The fact that Haseo would be just fine with redubbing all the dialogue to bring it up to date really takes the cake, though, and shows Lucas-esque levels of revisionism. I mean, if we had the OUT already, then sure, replace all the actors with Jar-Jar for the next Special Edition for all I care, but not until then.

Agreed 100%.

Lord Haseo said:

Tyrphanax said:

danny_boy said:

Whether you like or dislike these adjustements/enhancements  is a matter of opinion.

The fact that Haseo would be just fine with redubbing all the dialogue to bring it up to date really takes the cake, though, and shows Lucas-esque levels of revisionism. I mean, if we had the OUT already, then sure, replace all the actors with Jar-Jar for the next Special Edition for all I care, but not until then.

 I only said I'd only consider it if it were better than the OUT. Lucas made changes for the worst (for the most part). Also do not take my words out of context in order to establish credibility. You're better than that. 

Can any of you really say that Mark and Carrie gave good performances in ANH? If we were to compare any of their scenes to a scene with acting like this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bd_KCUZFk0

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwTx1UWswQ

it falls short. And before you say "STAR WARS was shot back in 1976." just remeber that Harrison Ford, Alec Guinness and Peter Cushing gave good performances in STAR WARS so there's no excuse. As for redubbing I only mentioned Mark and Carrie. Everyone else did a serviceable to good jobs.

I certainly don't mean to take your words out of context, my only point is that "better than the OUT" is a subjective thing. There can be no "definitive, objective" "better than" the OUT; even if this hypothetical new dialogue was written by a modern-day Shakespeare, it wouldn't "fit" with the movie to some people, just like the "improvements" in the SE don't "fit" with the movie for the majority of people here.

Personally, I think all revisions to Star Wars should be treated as alternate versions. Not one, even if it was an objectively "better" version, would replace the OUT for me, and I think that's why you're catching so much flak from so many people.

I've enjoyed the efforts of both Harmy and Adywan, and the recent releases of SW '77 and SW SE by TeamBlu are just fantastic, for anyone who hasn't seen them yet (I prefer the '77 version, of course). ;-)

I hope Disney decides to release the OOT soon, but if they don't, there are some wonderful options for purists (like myself) and revisionists alike.

This thread is starting to resemble some of the conversations on the YouTube OOT clips that I uploaded in '06. I'm astonished at how little understanding some people have for art in the context of the time period in which it was created. If someone constantly wants something upgraded and revised so that the current generation can "relate" to it, you're never going to persuade them on the merits of history or art, or even nostalgia. It's pointless ---- they will never understand. They have a flawed thought process, IMO.

pittrek said:

I'd love to see an 8K transfer of the Technicolor prints they still have