Blu-Ray Of Unaltered Original Trilogy Rumour — Page 5

darklordoftech said:

Tyrphanax said: On a larger scale, it's also about calling attention to the revisionist history thing. If Lucas wants to edit his films with every new release, he has that right, but what he doesn't have the right to do is to erase a piece of what has become cinematic and cultural history, and he has done this by making the once Special Editions into the now Only Editions and refusing to entertain the idea of releasing the un-specialized versions that made Star Wars such a part of our global culture. This is a much broader issue than just fans of Star Wars who want to see the movies like they saw them as children; in fact, there are several people who post here that aren't necessarily fans of Star Wars, but who disagree with Lucas' willful destruction of cinematic and cultural history, even Lucas himself is against it except when it comes to his own films.

Part of the problem might be that we're still yelling at someone who's not in control anymore. At this point, it's Disney who's being revisionist.

Be that is it may the OUT should have been on Blu-Ray from the very beginning. GL's own pride and arrogance once again had disconnected him from what his fans wanted. 

Harmy said:

Lord Haseo said:

lovelikewinter said:

I agree with Tyrphanax 100%.  I just want the movies I saw as a kid.  The one that made me beg my parents to dig my brother's old action figures out of the closet and let me have my own adventures.  Had I been a little older, I would have begged my parents for a laserdisc player to see them in better quality than the old releases that sat on the shelves of my local mom and pop video store.

If Lucas would have just given us a choice, then most of the hard feelings would have gone away.  He didn't for whatever reason.  But now we have the chance to have a high quality release of the OOT.  Something I though would never happen unless Lucas was dead.  

Adywan's Star Wars is a nice variant, but not the Star Wars I and many more will look at the definitive version 20, 30, 100 years down the line.

 I want the OUT on BluRay just as much as anyone of you. But let's not let nostalgia delude us. In editing the OUT is a disaster. HUNDREDS of mistakes per film and outdated technology which of course is charming, but loses it charm overtime as we grow out of adolescence. Now Ady is not only fixing errors, he is filling the imaginative gaps I filled in when watching these films as a child. Just by that alone SW:R is superior regardless of popular opinion.

LOL, the original Star Wars won a friggin' Oscar for best editing! Every movie ever made has little continuity errors but that doesn't make them editing disasters. And the effects were the groundbreaking peak of the technology of its time and sure, they are a little dated but that also doesn't mean that the movie is bad because of it - I mean, Alien has dated effects, 2001 has dated effects, hell, even newer movies like Jurassic Park or even Lord of the Rings have some very dated effects - should they be updated with the latest technology every ten years?

I mean, I have absolutely nothing against Revisited and I enjoy it for what it is - a good alternative version of a classic movie but I don't think it should be a replacement.

SW was released in 1977 and ESB was released in 1980 and ROTJ was released in 1983. I mean come one its been over 30 years and the OUT (other than the sets) don't stand up til this day and age when CGI is getting really realistic looking. I mean even up until ROTJ there are big boxes around Tie-Fighters and X-Wings in space. What is exceptional back in the days of antiquity isn't whats necessarily as acceptable as what is acceptable today. That's where Ady comes in. Whenever I watch any of the OT films I am constantly pointing out errors and outdated technology whilst watching it and for a perfectionist like me that really bothers me. If I were to show someone SW for the first time I'd have the most seamless experience it could possibly be. I wouldn't want someone to say something "The story, music and characters were great, but the technology is dated." With SW:R the narrative, characters and music are still there, but the visuals have been updated. I don't see why this shouldn't be a replacement from an objective standpoint. 

Tobar said:

Lord Haseo said:

"The story, music and characters were great, but the technology is dated." With SW:R the narrative, characters and music are still there, but the visuals have been updated. I don't see why this shouldn't be a replacement from an objective standpoint. 

 Because Revisited does more than just update the visuals and fix continuity errors. It introduced new music(Duel of the Fates), re-edited scenes into a different order(Ben's hut) and made other questionable changes like the laser needle.

I love Revisited and can't wait for ESB:R myself but they will never supplant the OUT. Why? Because it's not just a new coat of paint, it's a different car altogether.

 Duel of the fates was never in ANH:R. "Obi-wan Vs Anakin" and "Battle of The Heroes" was though. And the mind probe was a bad idea in the first place. You can't fault him for doing his best with a bad idea. 

Harmy said:

And yes, you can fault him for doing his best with a bad idea - it was his decision whether to use that idea in the first place.

There is no conceivable way to remove it without removing the entire scene. And this wouldn't be an issue if it had never been in the OUT to begin with. 

Harmy said:

So? Citizen Kane was released in 1941 and it's still considered a great masterpiece. And by today's standards, the film is very slow but it would just be plain wrong to replace it with a different cut with faster pacing.

Plus, to me, the historical value of Star Wars and its original visual effects are good 50% of the entertainment factor of it. The story and characters are great but I think in reality, they are only a small part of what makes Star Wars a cinematic masterpiece.

I actually started working on the DeEd specifically to be able to show people who've never seen the movie,  the original version, so as not to taint their 1st experience with an altered version or a low quality transfer - I actually remember a generic discussion about the morality of fanedits somewhere and I said, that I think making a making a fanedit is perfectly OK, as long as it's not being passed for the original and as long as the person watching has already seen the original - this, being a generic discussion, was of course taking into account, that a fan-edit can make the movie significantly worse, which I don't think Revisited has done by any means but there are some things in it, which I personally disagree with. And there can be some things in the original cut that you or I may personally not like but unlike any other version, it's still the original cut, which won all the Oscars and made the movie into a world-wide phenomenon.

I'm not saying the OUT is bad for fucks sake. Fuck, ANH and ESB are both on my top 5 favorite films of all time. The visuals are kind of dated, that is undeniable and in MOST ways ANH:R and ESB:R are superior and based on empiricism and should be considered the definitive versions. Do I still want the OUT on Blu-Ray? YES. Do the fans deserve the OUT on Blu-Ray? FUCK YES. My point was that we shouldn't be pissing our pants over a rumor when we have better versions. There is nothing else to discuss. 

Harmy said:

Oh, hang on, I though the bad idea was to make the needle all electric and stuff, that I think was a horrible idea. The presence of the needle in the original was f*cking genius - needles are scary as hell.

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I see Harmy and Ady as two sides of the same coin.

Harmy gives us as good as currently possible reconstruction of the theatrical version of the films which we all want to be able to see in a theatre and buy to watch at home.

Ady gives us the Special Edition concept done better.

Both highlight the problems with the current rolling cacktastrophe which are the official versions of the hour.

I actually think the visuals in the OT are brilliant, still to this day.  Yes, there are some shoddy effects (Mos Eisley sequences for instance), but overall the OT is still brillant.  The Asteroid chase in ESB  and he ROTJ space battle are simply breathtaking.  I guess it would be considered dated compared to modern films, but that's because movies aren't made the same way they were 30 years ago.

Harmy said:

Yes and what I've been saying is, that I strongly disagree with the statement, that we have a better version. We have an alternate version - whether or not it's better is definitely not empirical - I would definitely enjoy watching the original version more than any other possible version, so I don't have a better version and I don't even have the normal version. And I'm sure a lot of people here would agree.

In what ways do you consider the OUT better? Why would it be so worth your time? And saying "because it's the original version" is not a suitable response. 

OUT is Kim Novak growing old gracefully, the SEs are Kim Novak after the plastic surgery, Ady is Vertigo (1958).

Oh my god.

Yes?

Wow, he just deified you for a single internet post. That's pretty good.

At last I'm big in Japan :-D

Lord Haseo said:

Harmy said:

Yes and what I've been saying is, that I strongly disagree with the statement, that we have a better version. We have an alternate version - whether or not it's better is definitely not empirical - I would definitely enjoy watching the original version more than any other possible version, so I don't have a better version and I don't even have the normal version. And I'm sure a lot of people here would agree.

In what ways do you consider the OUT better? Why would it be so worth your time? And saying "because it's the original version" is not a suitable response. 

So you've responded to the above... seemingly without actually reading and comprehending the above. "Because it's the original version" is not only a suitable response: that's the entire point right there. Reconstructions don't count, because they're not the real deal, they're (in many ways) just approximations of the real deal. That is not enough for a multitude of reasons I'd be baffled to discuss with someone who has an account here.

What anyone considers superior or not is completely irrelevant in this discussion, and yet you keep going back to that.