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So you were sarcastic? What you wrote means that you wouldn't be as ready to believe it as Puggo was...
But yes, I don't think the rumour is entirely without value. We may not end up getting what we're hoping for, but I'm sure there will be some sort of release before the ST, and it'll probably be different somehow, so why not an OOT release?
RicOlie_2 said:
So you were sarcastic? What you wrote means that you wouldn't be as ready to believe it as Puggo was...
Precisely--Puggo seemed far too trusting of the rumor by allowing for a slight chance of credibility, when I felt there was none whatsoever. It's probably always safe to assume sarcasm with me. Just close your eyes and think of Frink.
That advice actually works for lots of things, by the way...
The released blu ray set sales records so no i don't think the oot means anything to the average joe who thinks they already bought the movies that were made in the seventies and eighties.
Disney and Fox have to work out the video and distribution rights.
So no i don't think this has any chance of happening.
Anyway even if new sets were releases it would simply be the same 2011 blu ray with the Disney logo on it.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I don't think that is necessarily true. I actually think it's quite the opposite - people wanted Star Wars in HD and the 2011 BD was (and is) the only way to get it, so they bought it. But that doesn't mean, that many of them wouldn't have preferred the unaltered version if it was available, I mean, most of us own the 2011 BDs, right?
So, if they just re-released the 2011 version, those people, who already bought the BDs would have no incentive to buy them again but if they released the OOT, a lot of people would buy the new release, even if they already own the 2011 one.
A Blu-ray release of the OOT would make money plain and simple, enough to at least cover the cost to produce it. It's an obvious win for the distributors and the audience. The only thing keeping it back was old sour puss, Mr. Lucas. No that he's out of the picture, you better believe that they are going to release the OOT on Blu-ray, no doubt about that.
The question is when. I've been guessing next year, chances are that's going to end up true. And why not? It just makes sense.
To me this rumor is just a rumor. Yeah, it's just wishful thinking. I bet these people have had no contact with LFL. But that doesn't mean there isn't a release coming anyway. Whoever created this rumor is probably just provoking the powers that be to finally make a clear statement about the OOT.
What we do know for sure is that there's going to be a new release in November. Most likely digital download for the first time.
What's interesting about it is that they want to include Black Angel with it. Kind of weird to try and recreate the original theatrical experience with the short film but then using the special edition for the feature.
I hope it's the OUT, but they're likely just going to rely on the AVAILABLE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER AS A DIGITAL DOWNLOAD as their gimmick.
A digital download could very well just be the GOUT.
Tobar said:
Kind of weird to try and recreate the original theatrical experience with the short film but then using the special edition for the feature.
That didn't stop them from throwing in the old trailers on the dvd, or the deleted scenes on the blu-ray.
skyjedi2005 said:
The released blu ray set sales records so no i don't think the oot means anything to the average joe who thinks they already bought the movies that were made in the seventies and eighties.
Disney and Fox have to work out the video and distribution rights.
So no i don't think this has any chance of happening.
Anyway even if new sets were releases it would simply be the same 2011 blu ray with the Disney logo on it.
And getting people to "double dip" as opposed to just pick up any previous slack in sales is exactly what they will want to do. There is a large fanbase who is very much aware of the special edition changes and know that they can't currently get it. There are more casual fans who might not be losing sleep over it, but will understand exactly what is meant by "unaltered trilogy" to add to their collection. And there are currently less informed people who may still buy it if it's pitched clearly and correctly for what it is.
I think the "not if, but when" attitude is the correct one. If there is anything stopping Disney from proceeding, it is probably contractual issues with Fox, or actual technical difficulties with some of the negatives (I don't know, can they definitely account for 100% of the theatrical footage in great condition?). I don't think marketing, lack of interest, or sales potential factor in as reasons not to go ahead. They'll have not just the nice sales spike leading up to Episode VII, but the title permanently in the archive. I would imagine the OOT coming out first, alone. Followed by some sort of platinum set right before the next film launches, including the OOT, SE, and PT. If they can pull it off.
The real question is, when are the Ewok movies coming out on Blu-Ray?
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
^On Life Day, 66 ABY.
Harm got a shout out at The Digital Bits in their post about the rumors.
Awesome.
So what's stopping Fox from just releasing their own restoration of Star Wars and then leaving Empire and Jedi up to Disney post 2020?
I always assumed Fox never messed around with Star Wars out of courtesy to George, but he's out of the equation now.
Sure, it's not going to be the streamlined box set that most would like, but it is better than nothing and may be better than waiting on them to come to some deal.
Am I missing something?
^I was wondering about that myself.
Fox could get Criterion or do something like Criterion, just a vintage release of "Star Wars", no bloody A, B, C, or D.
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Verboten said:
So what's stopping Fox from just releasing their own restoration of Star Wars and then leaving Empire and Jedi up to Disney post 2020?
I always assumed Fox never messed around with Star Wars out of courtesy to George, but he's out of the equation now.
Sure, it's not going to be the streamlined box set that most would like, but it is better than nothing and may be better than waiting on them to come to some deal.
Am I missing something?
Fox would still need Lucasfilm's permission.
Tobar said:
Lord Haseo said:
m_s0 said:
Lord Haseo said:
kane1138 said:
FrankT said:
kane1138 said:
Roger Christian recently confirmed rumours of digital versions becoming available in November 2014. It's possible these will be the original versions.
When/where was this?
Last week's episode of Rebel Force Radio.
It would be nice to own the OUT on Blu-Ray, but I don't see the point when Harmy's Despecialized Editions are on the internet. But to each his own I suppose.
So you're saying that you see no benefit in upgrading a recreation (which by necessity will never quite be ideal) based on very low quality sources with a proper restoration? That's... odd.
Harmy is updating his projects and I with patients the Despecialized Editions will be just as good as the Blu-Rays. Plus with ANH:R already out and ESB hopefully coming soon I would never watch the unaltered version of STAR WARS and ESB again.
Do...you not understand that that's what we're talking about? An official blu-ray release of the original unaltered trilogy?
ANH:R is better......And with what I've seen of ESB:R that is far better too. Have you seen the Yoda lip synching? I'm just saying don't shit your pants for no reason.
Lord Haseo said:
Tobar said:
Lord Haseo said:
m_s0 said:
Lord Haseo said:
kane1138 said:
FrankT said:
kane1138 said:
Roger Christian recently confirmed rumours of digital versions becoming available in November 2014. It's possible these will be the original versions.
When/where was this?
Last week's episode of Rebel Force Radio.
It would be nice to own the OUT on Blu-Ray, but I don't see the point when Harmy's Despecialized Editions are on the internet. But to each his own I suppose.
So you're saying that you see no benefit in upgrading a recreation (which by necessity will never quite be ideal) based on very low quality sources with a proper restoration? That's... odd.
Harmy is updating his projects and I with patients the Despecialized Editions will be just as good as the Blu-Rays. Plus with ANH:R already out and ESB hopefully coming soon I would never watch the unaltered version of STAR WARS and ESB again.
Do...you not understand that that's what we're talking about? An official blu-ray release of the original unaltered trilogy?
ANH:R is better......And with what I've seen of ESB:R that is far better too. Have you seen the Yoda lip synching? I'm just saying don't shit your pants for no reason.
But you're missing the point of the whole site, which is to hopefully spark enough interest in an official release of the unaltered version of the films that someone in the higher-ups greenlights the project.
There are two main reasons for this, and one is so that people who want to watch the original, unaltered films (which is the majority of the people on this board) can do so with an official, professionally-restored release in high definition, hopefully from scans of the original negatives, like they deserve to be able to do (and like the film deserves to be released), without having to support revisionism by purchasing the "specialized" versions that have replaced the original versions in order to more-or-less legally download the fan edits.
On a larger scale, it's also about calling attention to the revisionist history thing. If Lucas wants to edit his films with every new release, he has that right, but what he doesn't have the right to do is to erase a piece of what has become cinematic and cultural history, and he has done this by making the once Special Editions into the now Only Editions and refusing to entertain the idea of releasing the un-specialized versions that made Star Wars such a part of our global culture. This is a much broader issue than just fans of Star Wars who want to see the movies like they saw them as children; in fact, there are several people who post here that aren't necessarily fans of Star Wars, but who disagree with Lucas' willful destruction of cinematic and cultural history, even Lucas himself is against it except when it comes to his own films.
It's all about giving Star Wars the care and attention-to-detail it deserves as a piece of cultural history, and even though we fans are the only ones who seem to be willing to do that right now, it should not come down to the fans to be the keepers of the flame, especially not with a franchise as massive as Star Wars, the responsibility should not fall to us to give Star Wars the restoration it deserves or to right the wrongs or correct the errors left by previous edits. Harmy and Adywan (and many other amazing fan editors, even Frink) are doing incredible work, but they'll be the first to tell you (as Harmy already has) that they would be ecstatic if their work was replaced by official versions done with the same amount of care and attention to detail.
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Amen, brother :-)
Lord Haseo said:
ANH:R is better......And with what I've seen of ESB:R that is far better too. Have you seen the Yoda lip synching?
Read harder.
Tyrphanax said:
Lord Haseo said:
Tobar said:
Lord Haseo said:
m_s0 said:
Lord Haseo said:
kane1138 said:
FrankT said:
kane1138 said:
Roger Christian recently confirmed rumours of digital versions becoming available in November 2014. It's possible these will be the original versions.
When/where was this?
Last week's episode of Rebel Force Radio.
It would be nice to own the OUT on Blu-Ray, but I don't see the point when Harmy's Despecialized Editions are on the internet. But to each his own I suppose.
So you're saying that you see no benefit in upgrading a recreation (which by necessity will never quite be ideal) based on very low quality sources with a proper restoration? That's... odd.
Harmy is updating his projects and I with patients the Despecialized Editions will be just as good as the Blu-Rays. Plus with ANH:R already out and ESB hopefully coming soon I would never watch the unaltered version of STAR WARS and ESB again.
Do...you not understand that that's what we're talking about? An official blu-ray release of the original unaltered trilogy?
ANH:R is better......And with what I've seen of ESB:R that is far better too. Have you seen the Yoda lip synching? I'm just saying don't shit your pants for no reason.
But you're missing the point of the whole site, which is to hopefully spark enough interest in an official release of the unaltered version of the films that someone in the higher-ups greenlights the project.
There are two main reasons for this, and one is so that people who want to watch the original, unaltered films (which is the majority of the people on this board) can do so with an official, professionally-restored release in high definition, hopefully from scans of the original negatives, like they deserve to be able to do (and like the film deserves to be released), without having to support revisionism by purchasing the "specialized" versions that have replaced the original versions in order to more-or-less legally download the fan edits.
On a larger scale, it's also about calling attention to the revisionist history thing. If Lucas wants to edit his films with every new release, he has that right, but what he doesn't have the right to do is to erase a piece of what has become cinematic and cultural history, and he has done this by making the once Special Editions into the now Only Editions and refusing to entertain the idea of releasing the un-specialized versions that made Star Wars such a part of our global culture. This is a much broader issue than just fans of Star Wars who want to see the movies like they saw them as children; in fact, there are several people who post here that aren't necessarily fans of Star Wars, but who disagree with Lucas' willful destruction of cinematic and cultural history, even Lucas himself is against it except when it comes to his own films.
It's all about giving Star Wars the care and attention-to-detail it deserves as a piece of cultural history, and even though we fans are the only ones who seem to be willing to do that right now, it should not come down to the fans to be the keepers of the flame, especially not with a franchise as massive as Star Wars, the responsibility should not fall to us to give Star Wars the restoration it deserves or to right the wrongs or correct the errors left by previous edits. Harmy and Adywan (and many other amazing fan editors, even Frink) are doing incredible work, but they'll be the first to tell you (as Harmy already has) that they would be ecstatic if their work was replaced by official versions done with the same amount of care and attention to detail.
That's good and all and I've preached this very thing for years, but a website in which its most popular thread has only 2 million views while everything else on the site is basically ignored is not going to stir up anything. Ever since the blu-rays were released we have asked for this. The entire Star Wars fan base that has an internet connection has asked for this and perhaps with the combined complaining the higher-ups might finally do the right thing. Not because of this site, but because all of us stood for what we believe in. When it comes to this fight us SW fans have been engaging with the industry, this site is irrelevant. Secondly, I am not here about the OUT coming out on Blu-Ray because I always knew it would come out even before Disney bought the franchise. I came for the Star Wars Revisited Saga and I shouldn't be chastised for it. I know the implications of the release of the OUT on the Blu-Ray and since this is, but merely a rumor I am not getting my hopes up. That's all I'm saying.
Tyrphanax said:
Lord Haseo said:
Tobar said:
Lord Haseo said:
m_s0 said:
Lord Haseo said:
kane1138 said:
FrankT said:
kane1138 said:
Roger Christian recently confirmed rumours of digital versions becoming available in November 2014. It's possible these will be the original versions.
When/where was this?
Last week's episode of Rebel Force Radio.
It would be nice to own the OUT on Blu-Ray, but I don't see the point when Harmy's Despecialized Editions are on the internet. But to each his own I suppose.
So you're saying that you see no benefit in upgrading a recreation (which by necessity will never quite be ideal) based on very low quality sources with a proper restoration? That's... odd.
Harmy is updating his projects and I with patients the Despecialized Editions will be just as good as the Blu-Rays. Plus with ANH:R already out and ESB hopefully coming soon I would never watch the unaltered version of STAR WARS and ESB again.
Do...you not understand that that's what we're talking about? An official blu-ray release of the original unaltered trilogy?
ANH:R is better......And with what I've seen of ESB:R that is far better too. Have you seen the Yoda lip synching? I'm just saying don't shit your pants for no reason.
But you're missing the point of the whole site, which is to hopefully spark enough interest in an official release of the unaltered version of the films that someone in the higher-ups greenlights the project.
There are two main reasons for this, and one is so that people who want to watch the original, unaltered films (which is the majority of the people on this board) can do so with an official, professionally-restored release in high definition, hopefully from scans of the original negatives, like they deserve to be able to do (and like the film deserves to be released), without having to support revisionism by purchasing the "specialized" versions that have replaced the original versions in order to more-or-less legally download the fan edits.
On a larger scale, it's also about calling attention to the revisionist history thing. If Lucas wants to edit his films with every new release, he has that right, but what he doesn't have the right to do is to erase a piece of what has become cinematic and cultural history, and he has done this by making the once Special Editions into the now Only Editions and refusing to entertain the idea of releasing the un-specialized versions that made Star Wars such a part of our global culture. This is a much broader issue than just fans of Star Wars who want to see the movies like they saw them as children; in fact, there are several people who post here that aren't necessarily fans of Star Wars, but who disagree with Lucas' willful destruction of cinematic and cultural history, even Lucas himself is against it except when it comes to his own films.
It's all about giving Star Wars the care and attention-to-detail it deserves as a piece of cultural history, and even though we fans are the only ones who seem to be willing to do that right now, it should not come down to the fans to be the keepers of the flame, especially not with a franchise as massive as Star Wars, the responsibility should not fall to us to give Star Wars the restoration it deserves or to right the wrongs or correct the errors left by previous edits. Harmy and Adywan (and many other amazing fan editors, even Frink) are doing incredible work, but they'll be the first to tell you (as Harmy already has) that they would be ecstatic if their work was replaced by official versions done with the same amount of care and attention to detail.
That's good and all and I've preached this very thing for years, but a website in which its most popular thread has only 4 million views while everything else on the site is basically ignored is not going to stir up anything. Ever since the blu-rays were released we have asked for this. The entire Star Wars fan base that has an internet connection has asked for this and perhaps with solidarity and ferocity the higher-ups might finally do the right thing. Not because of this site, but because all of us stood for what we believe in. When it comes to this fight us SW fans have been engaging with the industry, this site is irrelevant. Secondly, I am not here about the OUT coming out on Blu-Ray because I always knew it would come out even before Disney bought the franchise. I came for the Star Wars Revisited Saga and I shouldn't be chastised for it. I know the implications of the release of the OUT on the Blu-Ray and since this is, but merely a rumor I am not getting my hopes up. That's all I'm saying.
I agree with Tyrphanax 100%. I just want the movies I saw as a kid. The one that made me beg my parents to dig my brother's old action figures out of the closet and let me have my own adventures. Had I been a little older, I would have begged my parents for a laserdisc player to see them in better quality than the old releases that sat on the shelves of my local mom and pop video store.
If Lucas would have just given us a choice, then most of the hard feelings would have gone away. He didn't for whatever reason. But now we have the chance to have a high quality release of the OOT. Something I though would never happen unless Lucas was dead.
Adywan's Star Wars is a nice variant, but not the Star Wars I and many more will look at the definitive version 20, 30, 100 years down the line.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
lovelikewinter said:
I agree with Tyrphanax 100%. I just want the movies I saw as a kid. The one that made me beg my parents to dig my brother's old action figures out of the closet and let me have my own adventures. Had I been a little older, I would have begged my parents for a laserdisc player to see them in better quality than the old releases that sat on the shelves of my local mom and pop video store.
If Lucas would have just given us a choice, then most of the hard feelings would have gone away. He didn't for whatever reason. But now we have the chance to have a high quality release of the OOT. Something I though would never happen unless Lucas was dead.
Adywan's Star Wars is a nice variant, but not the Star Wars I and many more will look at the definitive version 20, 30, 100 years down the line.
I want the OUT on BluRay just as much as anyone of you. But let's not let nostalgia delude us. In editing the OUT is a disaster. HUNDREDS of mistakes per film and outdated technology which of course is charming, but loses it charm overtime as we grow out of adolescence. Now Ady is not only fixing errors, he is filling the imaginative gaps I filled in when watching these films as a child. Just by that alone SW:R is superior regardless of popular opinion.
Tyrphanax said: On a larger scale, it's also about calling attention to the revisionist history thing. If Lucas wants to edit his films with every new release, he has that right, but what he doesn't have the right to do is to erase a piece of what has become cinematic and cultural history, and he has done this by making the once Special Editions into the now Only Editions and refusing to entertain the idea of releasing the un-specialized versions that made Star Wars such a part of our global culture. This is a much broader issue than just fans of Star Wars who want to see the movies like they saw them as children; in fact, there are several people who post here that aren't necessarily fans of Star Wars, but who disagree with Lucas' willful destruction of cinematic and cultural history, even Lucas himself is against it except when it comes to his own films.
Part of the problem might be that we're still yelling at someone who's not in control anymore. At this point, it's Disney who's being revisionist.