BioShock!!! (1, 2 and Infinite and SPOILERS) — Page 3

 

And this:

 

Is that photoshopped, or a real Easter egg?

To me it would be cooler if they would use the titles of real movies that would have been out at the time.

No, it's real... and not much of an easter egg.  More like an egg sitting in the egg shelf of your refrigerator when you open it looking for eggs.

It's in the 15 minute demo from E3.  She's opening a tear in space/time and takes them to a possible 1983.  One where Return of the Jedi was actually called Revenge of the Jedi, apparently.

xhonzi said:

C3PX:

I am really enjoying Rapture so far. Haven't been able to read as much as I'd like since I got it, only about 1/4th of the way through.

Well, blast. I had a sizable post here with my comments but I accidentally got away from it and now it's lost to the internets.  :(

I got my copy, which was the paperback by the way, incase that makes you feel better for the price I got, and started reading it.

I can't say I'm overly impressed with the first 20 pages.  I don't think Shirley has convinved me he knows Ryan.  I think the first couple pages had Ryan saying things I can't imagine the Ryan in my head ever saying.  I think the writing of Ryan in both BioShocks treated him as a very sympathetic character with some human flaws.  The few pages I have read have shown me a really shallow Ryan.  It seems to me that Shirley doesn't really have any idea what would make a man like Ryan tick...

Hopefully it gets better.

CP3S said:

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I never did finish that Bioshock book I was so excited about... I was REALLY enjoying it, but kept tripping over parts where I felt the author completely misunderstood the source material, or wrote major players completely out of character.

Another annoying habit the author had was forcing direct long stretches of quotes from the game into his dialogue. Tannenbaum, a character who speaks with broken English in the game, is a good example of this. At one point in the book she is in the middle of conversation with another character, speaking in the style the author writes her in, where her English is considerably less broken than in the game, then suddenly for a few sentences the author has her quoting some of her dialogue from the game verbatim and her English gets more broken, once she is done quoting herself her English immediately improves. All this in the course of a single paragraph. Little things like that happened a lot. I eventually couldn't take it anymore. I guess I should appreciate the authors attempt at trying to include as many references and nods to the source material in his book as possible, but I honestly think he took it to an exhausting length. So what if Bridget Tannenbaum doesn't have exactly the same style of broken speech as in the game? I really don't mind, hardly a big deal at all to me. However, once you start having her randomly feel the necessity to start quoting her audio diaries from the games and mixing the two different speech styles within the same sentence, you have something that will pull you right out of the book. It would be like mixing quotes from OT Yoda with quotes from PT Yoda, the result would feel really uneven.

In the game there is an audio diary by Eleanor Lamb, it has her as a child playfully carrying on a conversation with the tape recorder, like a little girl might do with a doll. Eventually she tells the tape recorder that she is going to take him apart, but not to worry, because she will put him back together again. In her mock tape recorder voice she protests, ending in a drowned out "Nooooooooo..." The audio diary went a long way in telling us that Eleanor had a pretty lonely childhood, and also that she was an extremely curious child who liked to take things apart to figure out how they worked.

John Shirley decided to include this scene in his book. He quotes the whole audio diary verbatim, then ends it with Sophia Lamb staring in horror as she watches her little girl start hacking the tape recorder to pieces by stabbing at it with a screwdriver. It make Eleanor come off as kind of a psycho child, rather than lonely and curious.

End overly nerdy nitpicking rant.

I think I wrote more once upon a time that was lost with a posting error.  But I steadfastly agree.  I read about the first third of it and haven't continued though I've meant to.  It doesn't sound like I got as far as you did, but I noticed the same things.  As I wrote previously, I thought Ryan was especially very mishandled.  Much more shallow than the Ryan I got to know through the game.

I also felt that the author was too afraid to stray from the established events/speaches...  Not that I wanted him contradicting things... but he mostly seemed to be writing the context around the audio diaries, as opposed to anything else.  One point in particular: I really disliked the scene on the surface where Ryan drops in on Sander Cohen and snaps his fingers and taps his foot long enough for you to go "Hey!  Sander Cohen!"  It seemed to me to be the BioShock equivalent of Yoda and Chewie being buddies. 

Or Stupid Kid Han Solo.

What the what, now?

BioShock Infinite's release date slips from Oct 12 to Feb 13??!?

New BioShock Infinite trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHW78X1XeE

They had a countdown for this for a month or so.  I think it looks good, but hardly worthy of its own coutndown or other fanfare.

I'm really looking forward to the game in February... but I'll try to keep my expectations on the ground.  Wait... there's a cloud joke in there somewhere.

Nice Lighthouse though... I wonder if there's going to be a Rapture connection there, or if it's just a motif that they like.

What you should have guessed is that I have a watch for the word BioShock on this forum and will come running back whenever it's mentioned!

Tell me- does your BioShock 3 feature a Lighthouse in the middle of nowheres?

Hmm...  that's pretty cool, but I think you should work the lighthouse in there somewhere.

SPOILERS

So... who's finished it?  I am near the end (methinks) fighting the ghost of Lady Comstock

I finished the game.  Does anyone here want to discuss or am I wasting my time?

Johnny Ringo said:

Would you kindly wait until then.

ZING!

After playing Bioshock 1 and quite a bit of Infinite (I've been told by loads of friends to steer clear of 2, as they don't think it's particularly good) I was thinking that maybe a Bioshock game set in space might be fairly good, even though it kind of already exists in the form of 'System Shock'.

You could set it in the 1970s and have the player character somehow get to a base on the moon (maybe by a lighthouse that is actually a rocket, I dunno)

When you arrive on the base the political angle this time could be a more extremist version of Early World War 2 Britain (rationing, attitudes that were prevalent during the time, evacuation, patriotism, less Dieselpunk more... I dunno WW2-punk???) Although come to think of it, maybe that'd just be more of the same compared to the first two Bioshock games.

Considering the fact that the Bioshock games seem to have an element of deconstruction going in in them, maybe if there's another Bioshock game it serve as a reconstruction of the elements that the other games had previously deconstructed.

I really liked 2.  Exploring Columbia for the first time is similar to exploring Rapture for the first time (though I preferred Rapture) which is something 2 can't/doesn't do.  Don't expect that a return to Rapture will be the same as exploring it again for the first time, and I think you would enjoy 2 just fine.  It is all new parts of Rapture, however, and it's 10 years later, so there are differences.  2 Definitely has highlights as well, that outshine portions of the Irrational games.

If it's a choice betwixt playing 1 again and playing 2, I would recommend playing 2.

In fact, (and I realize I might get run out of town on a sky-rail for saying this) I think the combat/gameplay was best in 2.

So there.

xhonzi said:

I really liked 2.  Exploring Columbia for the first time is similar to exploring Rapture for the first time (though I preferred Rapture) which is something 2 can't/doesn't do.  Don't expect that a return to Rapture will be the same as exploring it again for the first time, and I think you would enjoy 2 just fine.  It is all new parts of Rapture, however, and it's 10 years later, so there are differences.  2 Definitely has highlights as well, that outshine portions of the Irrational games.

If it's a choice betwixt playing 1 again and playing 2, I would recommend playing 2.

In fact, (and I realize I might get run out of town on a sky-rail for saying this) I think the combat/gameplay was best in 2.

So there.

Hmmm... Might have to go play it then, maybe.

CP3S said:

So, I sat down to pen Bioshock 3. Remember my whole storyline about a group breaking off and making a new civilization on an island? Yeah, I totally sat down to write that in earnest. Spent a bit of time making an outline, wrote a few pages, somewhere in there logged onto OT.com and read Xhonzi post something about being too busy for the site and going away... And then I thought, wait a minute? What is the point? And I stopped writing it.

Okay, so, you were the catalyst that made me realize it was a pointless thing to write, but I didn't decide it was pointless only because you were gone, I just realized it was all around pointless in general.

Too bad though, it would have been amazing! But no, you had to go and leave the forum. Jerk.

No! Don't stop writing! If there's a story you want to tell, write it!

CP3S said:

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If you enjoyed ... getting into rows with Big Daddies,

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Lolz.

Big Daddies, over 'ere!  SINGLE FILE!  You too, green penguino!

(I knew what you meant, but the image was still funny.)

By the by- the first two games (PC) are on sale in a pack for $4.99 at gamefly.com

I found a code (that I lost) that gave me 20% off, so $4!  Woop!  I already have them on Xbox, but I didn't mind snagging them for PC now that I have one that will play them.