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Can anyone help me locate the Belbucus PCM for ANH, ESB, ROTJ? Thanks. Ryan
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
Help: looking for... Belbucus PCM for ANH, ESB, ROTJ
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Did Belbucus ever do the 85 mix for Star wars?
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However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
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And when it was played with the mono mix? There was just one box in the theatre?
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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What the hell is your last post talking about?
(I was hoping someone else would ask, but I'm stepping up.)
Am I dense? Am I missing something Here?
Please elaborate!!!
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The confusion arises from the fact that "Dolby Stereo" in cinemas is actually equivalent to "Dolby Surround" in the home. There would typically be 3 speakers across the front: Front Left, Centre and Front Right, then several surround speakers placed down the side walls and across the back.
The mono mix I believe was created for smaller cinemas which didn't have Dolby Stereo installations, and for TV broadcast.
There are some great resources at Dolby's Website that explain all this.
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yes, I meant speakers. What I wanted to know
For the stereo mix, if I want to recreate the audio on a 5.1 system as closely as it was heard in cinemas how would I do that. If I encode it as AC3 stereo in surround mode, would that be accurate? That way there's audio coming from all speakers. I actually want to encode it as DTS but that way the decoder can't turn it in to surround sound but it will be plain stereo only.
For the mono mix, was there the same audio coming from all the speakers? I mean if I want to recreate the audio on a 5.1 set should I just fill every channel with the mono track? Or should I just use the centre channel? Or maybe just front left, centre and front right?
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Whoops yes, I meant speakers.
Ah, ignore them, they all understood it, they're just provoking
For the second question : A mono AC3 will play from only the center speaker on a 5.1 system and on both speakers on a stereo system.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
For the stereo mix, if I want to recreate the audio on a 5.1 system as closely as it was heard in cinemas how would I do that. If I encode it as AC3 stereo in surround mode, would that be accurate? Yes, the idea is that those 2 channels contain matrixed surround information. Play the audio through a Pro-logic decoder and you will get 4 channel output. This is the same process used in theaters for Dolby Stereo tracks.
The format doesn't have to be AC3, PCM will work just as well. The only advantage in using AC3 is that you can set a flag in the stream to indicate that the audio contains Dolby Surround information. If this flag is present it normally turns on the Pro-logic processing in your decoder, saving you the trouble of pressing a button to select it manually. This kind of audio is denoted as DD 2.0/s or DD 2.0 surround (as opposed to plain stereo which is just DD 2.0).
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
For the mono mix, was there the same audio coming from all the speakers?
No, just one central speaker. This audio is presented as DD 1.0. For the stereo mix, if I want to recreate the audio on a 5.1 system as closely as it was heard in cinemas how would I do that. If I encode it as AC3 stereo in surround mode, would that be accurate? Yes, the idea is that those 2 channels contain matrixed surround information. Play the audio through a Pro-logic decoder and you will get 4 channel output. This is the same process used in theaters for Dolby Stereo tracks.
The format doesn't have to be AC3, PCM will work just as well. The only advantage in using AC3 is that you can set a flag in the stream to indicate that the audio contains Dolby Surround information. If this flag is present it normally turns on the Pro-logic processing in your decoder, saving you the trouble of pressing a button to select it manually. This kind of audio is denoted as DD 2.0/s or DD 2.0 surround (as opposed to plain stereo which is just DD 2.0).
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
For the mono mix, was there the same audio coming from all the speakers?
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Ah, ignore them, they all understood it, they're just provoking
Sorry, I honestly didn't get it (maybe the only one!). I thought he was referring to a certain number of processors or something else. Thanks for clarifying.
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But if I encode the dolby stereo mix as a stereo DTS file it will play as just stereo, it cannot be encoded to surround by the audio hardware. So that won't be a cinema accurate representation, correct?
Low frequency audio is automatically rerouted to the subwoofer no matter if it's PCM, ac3 or dts and even if the subwoofer channel doesn't contain an audio track, correct?
Yes, the idea is that those 2 channels contain matrixed surround information. Play the audio through a Pro-logic decoder and you will get 4 channel output. This is the same process used in theaters for Dolby Stereo tracks.
4 channel? No centre speaker?
No problem
For the second question : A mono AC3 will play from only the center speaker on a 5.1 system and on both speakers on a stereo system.
4 channel? No centre speaker?
Sorry, I honestly didn't get it (maybe the only one!). I thought he was referring to a certain number of processors or something else. Thanks for clarifying.
No problem
For the second question : A mono AC3 will play from only the center speaker on a 5.1 system and on both speakers on a stereo system.
So maybe the best thing would be to just encode 3 AC3 tracks... mono mix centre channel, mono mix in lf and lr channel, dolby stereo as dd 2.0 surround. Does the Dolby Stereo PCM contain the matrixed surround information?
Is it true dd2.0 can only be encoded at a maximum bitrate of 320 to be muxed ok with the video file? If I encode a dd2.0 file at a higher bitrate I can't use it in dvd-lab pro.
Bebucus, are you going to release the mono mix as PCM? Please?
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
As I understand it now the mono mix was actually played in theatres through one central speaker. So encoding a DTS track with the mono track as the centre channel will be accurate as how it was played in cinemas, correct? I'd venture to guess it varied from one cinema to the next. Some might have played through a single speaker above or behind the screen, others might have used the speakers at the front of the room, and I'll bet some cinemas played the single channel through every speaker in the room.
4 channel? No centre speaker?
Yes one centre and only one rear channel.As I understand it now the mono mix was actually played in theatres through one central speaker. So encoding a DTS track with the mono track as the centre channel will be accurate as how it was played in cinemas, correct? I'd venture to guess it varied from one cinema to the next. Some might have played through a single speaker above or behind the screen, others might have used the speakers at the front of the room, and I'll bet some cinemas played the single channel through every speaker in the room.
4 channel? No centre speaker?
For a modern home theatre using ProLogic decoder I guess you'd hear the single rear channel from both rear speakers.
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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was this done by belbucus and where in the world is his stuff posted?
i only saw the isolated score for star wars on usenet
no regular torrent sites? i'm not a member of usenet.
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Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
I only have the Dolby Stereo Mix (not the one at reference level but the "original" one) and the 1993 DC Mix for Star Wars. I can torrent it if there is interest.
I only have the Dolby Stereo Mix (not the one at reference level but the "original" one) and the 1993 DC Mix for Star Wars. I can torrent it if there is interest.
I'm sure there would be. Are they PCM or Dolby?
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Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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- ANH '77 original Dolby mix (with 0dB peaks)
- ANH '93 remix
- ESB '93 remix
- ROTJ '93 remix
- ANH iso-score/'93 hybrid
(I don't have the "lowered level" '77 mix).
However, I want to get the mono mix finished first. See other thread for an update.
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Mallwalker hinted that a repost
ROTJ_93 is posting now to a.b.starwarsMallwalker hinted that a repost
ESB_93 will follow, before the end of the week
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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I've used WavPack this time around for better (lossless) compression than simply RARing the WAV.
Unlike FLAC, WavPack preserves the extra RIFF chunks (bext, minf, elmo, regn, ovwf & umid) present in the original WAV from Belbucus.
Unless you also use ProTools audio software as Belbucus did, those extra chunks probably won't mean anything to you.
Nevertheless, I want to redistribute the files exactly as I received them.
APE also retains the extra RIFF chunks, but I like WavPack's open-source licensing terms better that Monkey's.
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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