It seems like I really… DOJ’d a bad movie! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Right? Guys? H-hello? Anyone? No? Mom? Just me?
sigh
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
END OF LINE
(It hasn’t happened yet)
It seems like I really… DOJ’d a bad movie! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Right? Guys? H-hello? Anyone? No? Mom? Just me?
sigh
Having read this backwards and forwards several times with my brow all a’furrow I am now happy to say that I finally get it! I had to say it out loud to get it to work.
I LOLed.
It looks like the extended cut of BvS has leaked and comicbookmovie.com gives some details about the added scenes. MAJOR SPOILERS. If you want to see the EE with fresh eyes, do not read.
Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.
With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
I did like the extended cut much better. Wonder Woman was my favorite part of course. What I didn’t really need was the opening.
With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time. After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
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I didn’t like it because the pacing, acting, characterisation, action, script and overall story all sucked hard.
Not enough people read the EU.
I didn’t like it because the pacing, acting, characterisation, action, script and overall story all sucked hard.
Yeah
With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time. After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
Very well written post! More and more, I begin to realize the hate for how Superman has been treated in the DCEU. I really enjoyed Man of Steel but am unsure how much I would like it after thinking about what Superman’s character really means. I’m curious what you think of the original Superman film? I haven’t seen it in a while but I’m curious if it still holds up or not.
With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time.
Thank you for the excellent reply. Let me share with you why I don’t find these things bothersome. First of all, I like flawed heroes. I like the internal conflict. Also, I have not read much of the comics. Most of my exposure has been through the cartoons or movies. There are different iterations with different abilities or thoughts. So let me address the above point: “No one stays good in this world.” He is in a truly difficult moral dilemma. He wants to save his mother, and only sees one way. Is he truly evil? No. He just knows if he does this, he will have crossed a line, and that regardless of how good he tries to be, he will be seen as evil in the eyes of the public.
I see Luthor much like the Joker in TDK. They both try to break the hero with impossible moral dilemmas. Personally, seeing the inability to solve the dilemma made the story interesting to me. All along, he sees Batman as a vigilante, little better than the criminals he fights. He has already developed a strong opinion about Batman’s flaws. If he has to kill an evil crime fighter to save his mother, he feels he is choosing the lesser of two evils, but he knows he will be branded for life.
After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
His smile was not sadistic. It was a reassurance to Lois that all would be well. Should he have snatched the gun as you have shown in your picture? Yes, that probably would have been better, especially to sell the narrative that I am pushing above. That said, the ability to fly fast it one direction is one thing. The ability to instantaneously change directions and fly back would be extremely difficult. Yes, we are talking about Superman, but perhaps in this reality, it is not possible. I see it that he had little choice. I wish they had chosen to do what you describe, but more for the movie’s consistency that for Superman’s perfect morality. But if we just view it as a matter of morality, this Superman is young and inexperienced. He killed how many in Man of Steel while fighting Zod and the gang? But he is developing his moral compass and his abilities, and perhaps this movie is the catalyst that helps him develop his rule of no killing.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
That’s not at all how I saw it. He was depressed and disappointed at his failure to save them, that so many were injured right under his nose. He was emotional and flew away in sadness and with the knowledge that everyone was judging him for his failure.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
This is why Batman wanted to kill him. He is a flawed hero, who I see as on a learning curve. I see a similar flaw with Batman, except at the other end of the curve. Instead of being an idealist, he is now a cynical, old figher. He used to have a no-kill rule. He used to disable, but not maim his opponents. But years of fighting and bitterness have turned him into a ruthless killer. He really is little better than the bad guys. This is why Superman wants to kill him.
So here we are, with two very flawed heroes, both perceiving the other as dangerous and evil. Only through their fight do they realize their own flaws, and hopefully make plans to improve their methods. Yes, I know Batman killed some more after this fight, but I believe he will reform his ways and return to a nobler ideal. At least, that is my hope with this movie.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
I actually love your comment, so no apology needed. Thank you for the insight. I think it’s a great demonstration of how Superman could be, and explains why probably many were so disappointed. I personally enjoyed his flaws, but I totally understand the reason for disliking them and preferring the more perfect Superman.
I didn’t like it because the pacing, acting, characterisation, action, script and overall story all sucked hard.
Pacing I understand. Acting I thought was pretty dang good. Characterization was controversial, I admit, but see my quote above for my justification for appreciating it. Script was imperfect, and I wish they excluded Doomsday, but as he was, I was surprised at how I didn’t mind him. Story was generally well executed in my mind, improved with the Ultimate Cut. I actually thought the whole story was remarkably complex, and when fleshed out in the UC, was surprisingly satisfying.
I didn’t like it because the pacing, acting, characterisation, action, script and overall story all sucked hard.
Yeah
Reported, you flame-warmonger!
With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time.
Thank you for the excellent reply.
Thank you for the excellent compliment!
I see Luthor much like the Joker in TDK. They both try to break the hero with impossible moral dilemmas. Personally, seeing the inability to solve the dilemma made the story interesting to me. All along, he sees Batman as a vigilante, little better than the criminals he fights. He has already developed a strong opinion about Batman’s flaws. If he has to kill an evil crime fighter to save his mother, he feels he is choosing the lesser of two evils, but he knows he will be branded for life.
But he doesn’t have to kill Batman. He could’ve conveniently said “Martha” before the fight and the issue’s resolved early.
After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
His smile was not sadistic. It was a reassurance to Lois that all would be well.
Not how I saw it, but okay.
Should he have snatched the gun as you have shown in your picture? Yes, that probably would have been better, especially to sell the narrative that I am pushing above. That said, the ability to fly fast it one direction is one thing. The ability to instantaneously change directions and fly back would be extremely difficult. Yes, we are talking about Superman, but perhaps in this reality, it is not possible. I see it that he had little choice. I wish they had chosen to do what you describe, but more for the movie’s consistency that for Superman’s perfect morality. But if we just view it as a matter of morality, this Superman is young and inexperienced. He killed how many in Man of Steel while fighting Zod and the gang? But he is developing his moral compass and his abilities, and perhaps this movie is the catalyst that helps him develop his rule of no killing.
If anything, Man of Steel (a movie I hate more than this one) should have been that catalyst. He’s killed Zod, and should realize the toll it should take on his conscience. Instead, this is ignored.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
That’s not at all how I saw it. He was depressed and disappointed at his failure to save them, that so many were injured right under his nose. He was emotional and flew away in sadness and with the knowledge that everyone was judging him for his failure.
I think we’re talking about two different fire scenes. I refer to the one that begins the montage of talking heads.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
This is why Batman wanted to kill him. He is a flawed hero, who I see as on a learning curve. I see a similar flaw with Batman, except at the other end of the curve. Instead of being an idealist, he is now a cynical, old figher. He used to have a no-kill rule. He used to disable, but not maim his opponents. But years of fighting and bitterness have turned him into a ruthless killer. He really is little better than the bad guys.
Which I would’ve liked to see. Instead we rush to Diet-Frank-Miller’s Batman because… Snyder loves Miller.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
I actually love your comment, so no apology needed.
Thank you. Your comments are good also, even if I disagree.
Thank you for the insight. I think it’s a great demonstration of how Superman could be, and explains why probably many were so disappointed. I personally enjoyed his flaws, but I totally understand the reason for disliking them and preferring the more perfect Superman.
The point that I guess I’m trying to make is that Superman, from the very beginning, has always been someone to not only admire, but to aspire to be. His fight is against cruelty, against injustice, always has been. Now, we, or at least I, cannot look up to him as a symbol against cruelty, he is now its advocate. It especially doesn’t work when Snyder tries to cram Messianic imagery into the movie.
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With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time. After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
Very well written post! More and more, I begin to realize the hate for how Superman has been treated in the DCEU. I really enjoyed Man of Steel but am unsure how much I would like it after thinking about what Superman’s character really means. I’m curious what you think of the original Superman film? I haven’t seen it in a while but I’m curious if it still holds up or not.
The 1978 Superman film is among my favorite movies, and therefore easily my favorite comic superhero movie of all time. I love it.
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With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time.
Thank you for the excellent reply.
Thank you for the excellent compliment!
I see Luthor much like the Joker in TDK. They both try to break the hero with impossible moral dilemmas. Personally, seeing the inability to solve the dilemma made the story interesting to me. All along, he sees Batman as a vigilante, little better than the criminals he fights. He has already developed a strong opinion about Batman’s flaws. If he has to kill an evil crime fighter to save his mother, he feels he is choosing the lesser of two evils, but he knows he will be branded for life.
But he doesn’t have to kill Batman. He could’ve conveniently said “Martha” before the fight and the issue’s resolved early.
I doubt he knew Bruce’s mother’s name. And in my mind, he initially thought he only recourse to save Martha was to defeat Batman. Once he knew his defeat was imminent, his last thought was of saving his mother, and he pleaded for Batman to show mercy and somehow save her or allow Superman to do so.
After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
His smile was not sadistic. It was a reassurance to Lois that all would be well.
Not how I saw it, but okay.
Should he have snatched the gun as you have shown in your picture? Yes, that probably would have been better, especially to sell the narrative that I am pushing above. That said, the ability to fly fast in one direction is one thing. The ability to instantaneously change directions and fly back would be extremely difficult. Yes, we are talking about Superman, but perhaps in this reality, it is not possible. I see it that he had little choice. I wish they had chosen to do what you describe, but more for the movie’s consistency that for Superman’s perfect morality. But if we just view it as a matter of morality, this Superman is young and inexperienced. He killed how many in Man of Steel while fighting Zod and the gang? But he is developing his moral compass and his abilities, and perhaps this movie is the catalyst that helps him develop his rule of no killing.
If anything, Man of Steel (a movie I hate more than this one) should have been that catalyst. He’s killed Zod, and should realize the toll it should take on his conscience. Instead, this is ignored.
Not ignored. Just not fully developed, I believe.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
That’s not at all how I saw it. He was depressed and disappointed at his failure to save them, that so many were injured right under his nose. He was emotional and flew away in sadness and with the knowledge that everyone was judging him for his failure.
I think we’re talking about two different fire scenes. I refer to the one that begins the montage of talking heads.
I’ll have to see it again. I only saw it once (original), plus a few deleted scenes and descriptions of said scenes. I can’t remember which part you’re talking about at the moment.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
This is why Batman wanted to kill him. He is a flawed hero, who I see as on a learning curve. I see a similar flaw with Batman, except at the other end of the curve. Instead of being an idealist, he is now a cynical, old figher. He used to have a no-kill rule. He used to disable, but not maim his opponents. But years of fighting and bitterness have turned him into a ruthless killer. He really is little better than the bad guys.
Which I would’ve liked to see. Instead we rush to Diet-Frank-Miller’s Batman because… Snyder loves Miller.
I would have liked to see more of this as well. Yes, it’s a diet version. But these are adaptations to movies. Batman Begins is a diet of Batman: Year One, The Man Who Falls, and The Long Halloween. The Dark Knight is diet-The Long Halloween and diet-The Killing Joke. And of course, both of these films intersperse their own plots. It’s not going to be exact. It’s not the same medium of storytelling. I like this portrayal of a very dark, very fallen Batman too. It’s actually probably the main reason I like this movie, more than the Superman aspect.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
I actually love your comment, so no apology needed.
Thank you. Your comments are good also, even if I disagree.
Thank you for the insight. I think it’s a great demonstration of how Superman could be, and explains why probably many were so disappointed. I personally enjoyed his flaws, but I totally understand the reason for disliking them and preferring the more perfect Superman.
The point that I guess I’m trying to make is that Superman, from the very beginning, has always been someone to not only admire, but to aspire to be. His fight is against cruelty, against injustice, always has been. Now, we, or at least I, cannot look up to him as a symbol against cruelty, he is now its advocate. It especially doesn’t work when Snyder tries to cram Messianic imagery into the movie.
I totally get where you’re coming from. I think Snyder was trying to recreate the success of Nolan in TDK. The Messianic imagery I think is largely to illustrate Lex’s delusions. Sure, there were parallels in MOS, but here it is taken to extremes, extremes that Superman seems to have accepted, until he himself realizes they cannot be true, thanks to Lex’s tricks. Remember what Luthor said, “If God is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good. And if he is all-good, he cannot be all-powerful.” His intent was to put Superman in a position where he would fail, no matter what he chose. I personally liked the shortcoming. I hope they develop him into the hero you describe in future, but for this movie, I found it quite satisfying. I hope they make Batman into a reformed hero, again not so cynical and destructive in future installments, but for now, I liked both heroes’ shortcomings.
I only have 2 words for this thread, aside from liking the kind and honest discourse …
Wonder Woman … that is all.
😃
I only have 2 words for this thread, aside from liking the kind and honest discourse …
Wonder Woman … that is all.
😃
Wonder Woman rejects mortal humans, claiming that they have ruined the Earth forever, but still comes back to the mortal world because Lex… stole a digital copy of a picture of her? It was something like that I think. But she was pretty cool in the fight scene. My fingers are crossed so hard for her upcoming movie not to suck that they’re broken.
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I only have 2 words for this thread, aside from liking the kind and honest discourse …
Wonder Woman … that is all.
😃
Wonder Woman rejects mortal humans, claiming that they have ruined the Earth forever, but still comes back to the mortal world because Lex… stole a digital copy of a picture of her? It was something like that I think. But she was pretty cool in the fight scene. My fingers are crossed so hard for her upcoming movie not to suck that they’re broken.
People always stress that Wonder Woman was easily the best part of the movie but I wasn’t impressed at all. Ben Affleck as Batman, hands down was the best part of the movie for me. Besides the killing. But his Bruce Wayne was spot on. And the warehouse scene was just incredible.
I only have 2 words for this thread, aside from liking the kind and honest discourse …
Wonder Woman … that is all.
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Wonder Woman rejects mortal humans, claiming that they have ruined the Earth forever, but still comes back to the mortal world because Lex… stole a digital copy of a picture of her? It was something like that I think. But she was pretty cool in the fight scene. My fingers are crossed so hard for her upcoming movie not to suck that they’re broken.
People always stress that Wonder Woman was easily the best part of the movie but I wasn’t impressed at all. Ben Affleck as Batman, hands down was the best part of the movie for me. Besides the killing. But his Bruce Wayne was spot on. And the warehouse scene was just incredible.
I like Wonder Woman’s appearance for a few reasons …
Wonder Woman finally made it to the big screen.
She’s mysterious but strong.
When she’s fighting Doomsday and gets knocked on her buttocks by him, she smiles as she gets back up, showing how tenacious she is in battle.
She also shows a quiet sign of emotion as Lois is cradling Superman’s dead body.
Now, Ms. Gadot herself, is naturally beautiful, but she doesn’t use it to make the character believable.
I highly enjoyed Ben Affleck as Batman/Bruce Wayne. Like you, I LOVE the wharehouse fight, it’s badass Batman in action.
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