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How about this one? It was one of the first Batman comics I've read, I remember how shocked I was due to its graphic despiction of violence and crime. And it shows Gothan city as the crime filled corrupt city as in Begins.

“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Question, why is this "merger" being called Batman vs Superman? Are they going to fight each other in this movie? Aren't they on the same side? Also if they did fight, wouldn't
Superman easily kick Batman's butt? Wouldn't "Batman meets Superman" be a better, more accurate title?
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As far as I know there are no plans to have the two characters meet in films yet but it has been discussed by fans before. Batman and Superman worked together in several comics and had their own 'series' of sorts called 'World's Finest'.

As for their abilities, Supes has the power but very different code of ethics from Bats. And Batman is by all account a muc much smarter character than Superman. One-on-one fight with no enhancement and Superman would pulverize Batman... Bats has no superpowers. On the other hand, as shown in Dark Knight Returns, with some Kryptonite brass knuckles and a lot of pre-planning and Batman could exploit easily every little weakness that Supes has.



Should they fight? No. They are both heroes afterall.
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I think their confrontation in the Batman/Superman cartoon movie was done very good. If memory serves me correctly, they never actually fought, but they didnt get along very well. And Bruce/Clark 'fought' over Lois.

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I remember recently reading in EW that there was a idea for a Superman vs Batman movie. Both franchises had major troubles (especially Supes) in getting their films off the ground. They thought by having a movie together it was jump start both franchises into more sequals for both hero's. I believe the plot would be something like this: Superman and Batman meet, Superman is setup and Batman accusses Superman of doing something (not sure what). They do fight for a bit before joining forces and defeating the evil that setup Superman. There is talk of doing a Superman/Batman movie after 3 or 4 sequels, but that's just a rumor as of now.

I thought Batman Begins was a great movie. I really liked how they went into Bruce's character and how he ended up becoming Batman. It was dark like how Batman should be where the previous movies didn't quite acheive. I think Katie Holmes did a good job as her character. She did look younger then Bale, though she looks really young for her age (though was 5 years younger then he is). I won't go too much into it else, since you guys mostly covered it already. I think it ranks right up there with Superman I, and Spidey II in terms of superhero films.

And ADigitalMan, don't worry about Superman Returns. Brian Singer proved what he can do with the X-Men movies and thought he was right about picking an an unknown in Routh. He looks just like Clark Kent and pretty good as Superman IMO. Kate Bossworth is a talented actress and Singer said had great chemestry with Routh. I trust he knows what he's doing. Also, have you checked out the blogs on BlueTights.net? Really cool if you haven't watched em already.
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In the summer of 2002, Batman vs. Superman was greenlighted by Lorenzo di Bonaventura (sp?) at Warner Bros. with Wolfgang Peterson attached to direct. There was an official announcement and everything. Then Pluto Nash released within, like, 2 weeks of this announcement. Pluto Nash cost some $90M to make and had a $2M opening weekend. WB had egg all over its face. Bonaventura was promptly ousted as the studio chair and Alan Horn took over. Horn nixed BvS immediately, and made some incredibly questionable decisions in the wake. Catwoman got greenlighted. Superman got the jump-start, but with McG, then Michael Bay, then Brett Ratner, then McG again attached to direct.

In spite of all this mess, Batman Begins was greenlighted with Christopher Nolan attached and the suits stayed the F out of the way. How this happened totally escapes me, but thank GAWD it did. Then, last year, Singer was immediately attached to Superman when the McG deal fell through a second time. That giant "woosh" you heard was the fanboys sighing in relief.

Side note: I should point out that di Bonaventura was responsible for getting the Matrix sequels, T3, Oceans Eleven and the Harry Potter franchise under WB's umbrella, so the man should have been cut a little slack for Pluto Nash. The director of that pile of s#!t is the one and only soul who should have been held accountable. Just like Schumaker has been persona non grata in Hollywood ever since B&R. Then again, "Ron Underwood" ain't a household name, now is it?

Anyway, Horn has said that he does want to do BvS, but only after both franchises have been rebooted. You continue to hear little bits here and there from the current participants in both projects. I can only say this: Don't let Wolfgang Peterson touch this project. If Superman doesn't suck, and if BvS does get the green light after a new trilogy in each franchise, then the ultimate fanboy wet dream will be a co-director gig from Singer AND Nolan. I haven't even heard that mentioned.

To answer the question about why it's called "versus" ... yes, you heard that right, and you are reading the word right. The premise as I understand it is that Bruce Wayne's fiance is killed, pushing him totally over to the "dark side" of his vigilantic nature. Superman steps in to try and redeem his erstwhile crime-fighting friend. I didn't read the leaked script ('cause I don't like those types of spoilers) but that's the gist. Batman and Superman do indeed go at it for the sake of Batman's soul. And it does make sense that if you can rebuild both franchises, then get all of the players on board for a joint operation, you'll have the greatest star-studded action film since The Dirty Dozen AND you'll be invested enough in the characters (because you've invested in the actors portraying them) that you'll give a crap. Again, if they can build a real character out of Rachel Dawes, as they seem to be doing, then she can become the catalyst for this incredible turn of events. Have the balls to kill her off at the end of "Batman Begins a Third Time" and she'd be the Gwen Stacy we were denied in Spider-Man. It'd be the cliffhanger that "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" was meant to be, setting up a monumental fourth picture.

If I ran WB, these scripts would already be hammered out, all the stars would have been signed to a four-picture deal (for each franchise, the fourth being the joint picture), and the directors would have personal stake in making damn sure they didn't screw up the franchise along the way. You'd get seven back-to-back blockbusters guaranteed.
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Indeed, that's the idea being thrown about. However, I don't think WB had the balls to actually get that plan in stone before shooting a frame of either franchise. That's going to make it damn hard to nail down when the time comes, and will take a genuine commitment and love for the franchises created by the work environment making each. But just consider the likely cast of BvS:

Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman
Matthew "because Singer pulled this out of his ass I'm now a megastar" Bomer as Superman/Clark Kent
Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor
Michael Caine as Alfred
Gary Oldman as Commissioner Gordon
Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane
Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes
Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox
Frank "I can't believe 'House' wouldn't let Hugh Laurie do this, but oh well, it's my fortune" Langella as Perry White

This is the cast that would be in the picture, plus whatever member(s) of the Rogues gallery gets plucked out for Gotham's criminal element in the film. Lex Luthor mixing it up in the Rogues Gallery. Batman mixing it up with Superman. The "Worlds Finest" fan-film-trailer could actually become a reality.

Just please, no Aliens or Predators.
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Please say Kevin Spacey is Bald.

Luthor in the Superman film looked retarted because he had hair. Luthor isn't supposed to have hair!


And with that mini-rant, I cede the computer to my brother for the time being.

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But in the old Superman flicks Luthor had hair because he had a toupee on, he was bald though.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Please say Kevin Spacey is Bald.

Luthor in the Superman film looked retarted because he had hair. Luthor isn't supposed to have hair!


And with that mini-rant, I cede the computer to my brother for the time being.


Perhaps he's Lex Luthor 2?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Braniac killed Luthor-2. Besides, in the re-re-rebooted continuity, Luthor-2 never existed.

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He did?! Bastard!

I wouldn't know, I haven't read north american comics in years, and I haven't read anything from DC since Superman's death and ressurection.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Well, the murder of Luthor-2 happened in 1985, so it isn't exactly a recent development.

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In 1985 ... now that was before Lex escaped from jail with his nephew Lenny and invented Nuclear Man, right?

Singer has such a deep-seated love for Superman (that he admittedly didn't have for X-Men) that I'm certain he'd make Kevin Spacey shave for the role.

Now, back to Batman Begins. I saw this movie over 24 hours ago and Hans Zimmer's score is STILL wedged in my brain. I'm sending my wife to see this movie (hopefully tomorrow) and watching the kid (instead of my business) just so we can talk about the movie when she gets back. She said she'd rather go see the Brangelina film. I told her I'd watch the kid for both films just so long as she goes to see this movie.

Kids. They change everything. My wife and I used to take in 1-2 movies every week at the multiplex. Now we're lucky to get to the theater together three times a year. Maybe the box office slump is all our fault.
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Katie Holmes ain't gonna be in the next Batman.

Everyone else signed, but didn't offer it to her saying that she promoted her relationship with Tom Cruise above the movie. Don't believe me?

Here's da proof
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Well, the murder of Luthor-2 happened in 1985, so it isn't exactly a recent development.


During the "death of superman" saga, who was that red haired and bearded Lex Luthor? Wasn't him Lex 2?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Matthew "because Singer pulled this out of his ass I'm now a megastar" Bomer as Superman/Clark Kent

Actually, it's Brandon Routh as Superman/Clark Kent. Boomer was rumored, but never got the part.
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Well, the murder of Luthor-2 happened in 1985, so it isn't exactly a recent development.


During the "death of superman" saga, who was that red haired and bearded Lex Luthor? Wasn't him Lex 2?


If I remember correctly he was (comic logic disclaimer here.. ) a clone of Luthor that Luthor had placed his mind into to have a younger healthier body... or something like that. Its been a while since I read it though...

Speaking of, though I was less than impressed by the actual issues leading up to the 'death' of Superman, the 'Funeral for a Friend' issues that followed were truly moving.
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Well, what can I say, that was one hell of a marketing plan by DC, let's kill Superman, overpublicize it, and then get him back as if nothing has happened.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Well, what can I say, that was one hell of a marketing plan by DC, let's kill Superman, overpublicize it, and then get him back as if nothing has happened.

You don't even know half the story.
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Matthew Bomer. Brandon Routh. What's the difference?

Pretty bad that I made that mistake, but pretty funny too when you think about it.

Regarding the Katie Holmes not being signed thing, the source is a bit dubious, so I'll believe it when I see it. Interestingly enough, in all of this Katie Holmes/Tom Cruise tabloid hype, I've gotten the sense that she's not the one running off at the mouth about it. Tom is. It's why I have no desire to see War of the Worlds. As much as I like Spielberg, thinking he's not only a good filmmaker but a decent guy (in spite of being a billionaire), I don't want to pad Tom Cruise's bottom line -- and therefore his ego -- any further.</run on sentence>

Katie looks to me like she's been a deer in headlights with this whole Tom Cruise thing, and I keep thinking she'll be the next runaway bride when she realizes (a) the guy is crazy as a s#!thouse rat and (b) he's actually going to hurt her career by association.

Whatever the case, all of the media attention hasn't hurt Batman Begins' numbers, so I doubt the suits are all that upset by all the press coverage she's been getting. Ultimately it will boil down to one thing only: Does Christopher Nolan want her back for the sequel? If he's pleased with her performance on set (whether the camera was on or not) and thinks he can do more with her character, then she'll be back. Leaking information like she won't be back is a common studio tactic for keeping a rising star's ego in check. Reference Toby Maguire almost losing Spider-Man 2 or the supporting cast of CSI getting their pink slips. Tom Cruise could well be telling Katie that WB needs to up their ante for her, and they'd wisely say "woman, you aren't THAT important to the storyline."

That said, it would be a shame to lose the character over backroom politics. I stand by my earlier post; having the same female interest throughout the trilogy will give us a reason to give a damn about the catalyst of BvS.
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Well, what can I say, that was one hell of a marketing plan by DC, let's kill Superman, overpublicize it, and then get him back as if nothing has happened.

You don't even know half the story.


I was managing a comic store at that time, so you said a MOUTHFULL!!!
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I have a Death of Superman compilation comic book, with the whole arc story tied together (Doomsday first appearence until Superman's death), I have the whole Funeral stuff, the 4 Supermans, Superman's return and the revenge against Doomsday, plus the (terrible) novelization. That's pretty much 90% of all the DC material I have.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Well, what can I say, that was one hell of a marketing plan by DC, let's kill Superman, overpublicize it, and then get him back as if nothing has happened.

You don't even know half the story.


I was managing a comic store at that time, so you said a MOUTHFULL!!!

Gotcha . Simply amazing the process that lead up to Singer getting hired wasn't it?

And ADigitalMan, I pretty much agree with you on the Katie Holmes saga. It seems like she's along for the ride regarding this Tom Cruise thing and I don't think it'll last much longer. Hopefully once they break up she can get back on the good graces as I've never liked having different actors playing the roles that somone else has played in a series ** cough cough Hannibal **.