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Batman (1989) 4K Teal Tint and SFX revision

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The new 4K remaster of Batman (1989) has replaced the original sound effects with new modern ones which makes for a somewhat distracting experience for some viewers. The original mix is NOT included on the 4K disc. Also it looks like the color grading was tweaked to include a fresh new teal look.

More details at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgLzxiaUA4

This 2-Disc Special Edition DVD has the Original DTS Mix not found on the blu-ray or the 4K releases.
https://images2.imgbox.com/91/f6/FuPkYlkY_o.jpg

Syncing the original DTS mix from the old 2-disc special edition DVD would solve the SFX revisions but it looks like the teal is here to stay.

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Hi,

it seems we can get many options to replace the new atmos mix but it’s getting difficult to know what differents original mix there really is…

olds mix with original effects so far:

2.0 from LD (considered to be the best one)
5.1 Dolby digital from 1997 dvd (should be the same as the LD,but encode in 5.1 and lossy)
5.1 Dts track from 2005 SE dvd (new mix or the same than the 1997 dolby???)
5.1 Dolby digital from 2005 SE dvd
5.1 Dolby True Hd from 2009 Bluray
2.0 from Itunes (before they replace it with the new atmos one)

so how can we tell them apart?

as for the color grading, i can’t tell for the 4k, but on the remastered Blu ray, there is way too much teal…
Maybe is it possible to make a regrade?

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I’d take Oliver’s video a huge grain of salt. He advises people to turn off HDR when viewing 4K UHD content… What? HDR and WCG is one of the main features of the 4K UHD format.
It seems he’s misinformed when it comes to this format.

As for the colour grading, the new remaster is closer to the original timing/grading, than the old DVD/Blu-ray versions were. So pick your poison.
The 2.0 LaserDisc audio has already been synchronized to this new release: https://forum.fanres.com/thread-2692-post-54371.html#pid54371

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I’ve been telling this for months; no one listened.

The 1080p Blu-ray audio (original mix) can be easily added to the Matroska-lossless 4K one, no resync is needed, even though some sources said a negative delay of 167ms should be added.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Movies-with-wrong-color-grading-UPDATED/id/15873/page/9#1284326

If there’s any doubt about how these 4Ks were changed then read the above link.

Oliver is 100% right. Remember what they did with all Superman 1080p Blu-rays?

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Setzer said:

As for the colour grading, the new remaster is closer to the original timing/grading, than the old DVD/Blu-ray versions were.

Based on what reference?

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Quattro Bajeena said:

Setzer said:

As for the colour grading, the new remaster is closer to the original timing/grading, than the old DVD/Blu-ray versions were.

Based on what reference?

35mm scans

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digitalfreaknyc said:

What “original DTS mix?” There was no DTS in 1989.

I didn’t say it was from 1989 and its irrelevant when the first DTS mix was made since it is still the original DTS mix, the original theatrical mix is something else entirely.

There are three known DTS mixes:
-the original DTS mix found on the DVD previously mentioned
-the DTS mix found on the blu-ray
-the DTS mix found on the 4K disc which has updated sfx

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How is this link supposed to prove anything when I see a huge green tint in the picture from the scene in which the Joker shoots into the crowd and Bruce Wayne is just watching? This scene doesn’t look that way in any home video version, not even in the 4K.

It’s my belief these pictures don’t prove anything and they are either wrong or the source needs to be color corrected. In other words assuming the movie looks like this in 35mm is wrong and even assuming the 4K is supposed to look like this is wrong, too.

P.S. Found this good review in that OH video:


You’re pretty spot on in your assessment Oliver. The 4ks for all four are a disappointment and mere catalog updates for WB. The 4k UHD for 89 has less teal and is at least a better presentation than the 1080p remastered disc as that suffers from some of the same issues as the Matrix remastered Blu-ray.
You’re right that there is no official indication of any original crew members being consulted for any of the four transfers. They likely would have balked.
Even with the teal being more minimal in the 4k of 89 on the UHD it is still off. I agree the overall look is not what an original print looks like. However Returns is absolutely ruined with teal throughout and NONE of that is in an original print.

The audio is a disaster and ruins the effect of the mix of time periods in the film. The old SEDVD DTS you mentioned is good but like many dts dvd tracks is merely a few decibels louder than the Dolby track. The best sounding audio for 89 is still the old original mix releases on the Laserdisc and original flipper dvd. They have much more low end and still sound so good that it makes the Atmos totally unnecessary.
For years I’ve waited for properly dark transfers of the Burton films and new transfers for the sequels and this dumping out is apparently all we’re going to get. It’s extremely disheartening.

The audio for all three sequels are also remixes but less obviously so. It will still drive us fans nuts.

I had hoped that 4k revisits night finally mean the director’s cut of Forever would be released but I doubt that will ever happen unfortunately.


There’s also a guy claiming it’s the setup


Yeah I have a Sony X930E and the teal is only slightly more than the original. Nowhere near as bad as what he makes out. Everything else including sound is fantastic! Hardly any grain at all plus skin tones seem more accurate compared to bluray. Colours are much tighter and don’t bleed into each other like other versions. Maybe Oliver is just used to it a certain way and his TV oversaturates colours. LG and Samsung are notorious for that. Panasonic and Sony flagship TV’s are industry leaders for the most accurate picture.


Yep it’s definitely the TV, that is making the teal effect more prominent. Watched it on my other 4K monitor / TV and it’s Teal City! Shows you that you really do need great quality TV for real 4K clarity and colours. Batman Returns looks even better I think and yes same effect for the teal. On my Sony it’s not really noticeable. On the monitor it’s definitely kicked up a notch.