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C3PX said:

TV's Frink said:

I'm actually a little offended at your dismissive attitude.

Wow, seriously? I guess you have a right to be. Odd to me though, what floats your boat may not float everyone's, doesn't make sense to feel offended by that, no matter how little.

Sure, different strokes for different folks.  But you're basically calling the editors childish, and in my opinion by extension, calling those who like the work (like me) childish.

Just my 005 cents.

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Bingowings said:

This thread in it's original form is a bit stinky.

The mods here are the most balanced and considered I've encountered on a discussion forum before and only ban people who really break the rules to the point where the site and it's original function are in jeopardy.

We enjoy a degree of freedom on here that other forums don't and yet it never really gets bogged down with trollish behaviour because of the levity and good sense of the people that use it.

+1 on everything...

But the underlined......there has been an outbreak of such behavior, I try not to partake too much in it (admittedly I do get sucked in sometimes) , but TVF starts alot of SOS threads, and it does get repetitive

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Bingowings said:

The mods here are the most balanced and considered I've encountered on a discussion forum before and only ban people who really break the rules to the point where the site and it's original function are in jeopardy.

To bring this back to one of the original points, I still don't quite get why Darth Venal was banned.  Sure, he was argumentative, but a lot of us are at one point or another.  It makes me think that he did something else behind the scenes that got him banned.

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CompMovieGuy said:


...but TVF starts alot of SOS threads, and it does get repetitive

What is a SOS thread?

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Same Old Shit

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TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:
The mods here are the most balanced and considered I've encountered on a discussion forum before and only ban people who really break the rules to the point where the site and it's original function are in jeopardy.
To bring this back to one of the original points, I still don't quite get why Darth Venal was banned.  Sure, he was argumentative, but a lot of us are at one point or another.  It makes me think that he did something else behind the scenes that got him banned.
I think so too. As a man on the "inside", who knows what he may have done behind the scenes.

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CompMovieGuy said:

Same Old Shit

Ok, well it's pretty obvious what your choices are:

1) Put me on ignore
2) Don't read my threads
3) Both

In other words, deal with it.

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CompMovieGuy said:

Bingowings said:

We enjoy a degree of freedom on here that other forums don't and yet it never really gets bogged down with trollish behaviour because of the levity and good sense of the people that use it.

+1 on everything...

But the underlined......there has been an outbreak of such behavior, I try not to partake too much in it (admittedly I do get sucked in sometimes) , but TVF starts alot of SOS threads, and it does get repetitive

Turns out this is a sore subject with the current majority of the off-topic community and an unpopular thing to think, but everyone already knows I wholeheartedly agree with CompMovieGuy.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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TV's Frink said:

CompMovieGuy said:

Same Old Shit

Ok, well it's pretty obvious what your choices are:

1) Put me on ignore
2) Don't read my threads
3) Both

In other words, deal with it.

Ignore still allows me to see your icon on every thread in Off Topic

Dont get sad that I called you out on the obvious, and what other people are also thinking.
You asked, I told

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TV's Frink said:

CompMovieGuy said:

Same Old Shit

Ok, well it's pretty obvious what your choices are:

1) Put me on ignore
2) Don't read my threads
3) Both

In other words, deal with it.

Relax! He was just saying it is not accurate to claim this place as free from trollish behavior, when trollish behavior is pretty much all this place is about these days. You know his SOS comment is true, so no need to react defensively about it like that.

This was brought up a few weeks ago, and it came to light that you have far more support on your side than the people who feel the way CompMovieGuy and I do.

 

EDIT: Wow, Comp managed to say essentially the same thing I said, only he did it in one sentence.

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C3PX and CompMovieGuy said:

You're a troll.

TV's Frink said:

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Well, I guess you told us.

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So how the fuck did this thread end up about me?  Oh yeah, CMG called me a troll (nothing new) and you agreed with him.  How did you expect me to react?

Frankly, I don't know what bug is up your ass lately.  I respected your wishes and calmed down the politics thread.

Sheesh.

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C3PX said:  Relax! He was just saying it is not accurate to claim this place as free from trollish behavior, when trollish behavior is pretty much all this place is about these days.

I think that is a little harsh.  While the levity is not to everyone's taste, and might be toned down a bit, it seems a far cry from outright trolling to me.  There is very little of that here, in my experience.

edited - I actually think Frink and Bingowings have toned down the levity a fair bit, or moved it to threads that they have started, or which are otherwise specifically light-hearted threads in the first place.

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I can't think of a point since I've been reading and posting here where the forums have got so nasty that a mixture of light humoured common sense and careful and considered official moderation and site restructuring haven't pulled everything back to functionality.

It might help the few problems some users have with the Off-Topic section if there was a fun and games block and a deadly earnest block (or however you would like to phrase it) so that people who are too tired to skip down the page can avoid pictures of Plastic Trumpets, Pies and Washing Machines doing whatever they do here.

Personally I find it fun to have them jumbled up with the more sober comments but I'm not everyone here, I'm just me.

 

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Bingowings said: Personally I find it fun to have the jumbled up with the more sober comments but I'm not everyone here, I'm just me.

That is how I feel as well.

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TV's Frink said:

Sure, different strokes for different folks.  But you're basically calling the editors childish, and in my opinion by extension, calling those who like the work (like me) childish.

Just my 005 cents.

But that is still just my opinion, and it still seems weird you'd go through the trouble to being offended by it.

You say I am essentially calling editors and those who like edits childish because of my crayons and art analogy. I still think that analogy is very fitting, especially given the self importance I was used to seeing around FE.org back when I could be bothered with the place. They would act like fan editing was high art, when it is really just kids with toys. Rather than a box of crayolas, they are using Sony Vegas or Womble.

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An artist can create high art with a box of Crayolas, just because you have seen a lot of what you would describe as kids daubings doesn't follow that all wax crayon pictures are just scribbles.

I also like some kids daubings.

Many of the films edited are arguably not high art to start with.

What is high art anyway?

It's all 'work' (which is the originally meaning of art) no matter what qualities you see in it, even kids pictures are the product of effort.

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TV's Frink said:

So how the fuck did this thread end up about me?  Oh yeah, CMG called me a troll (nothing new) and you agreed with him.  How did you expect me to react?

Actually, it started because Bingo said,

We enjoy a degree of freedom on here that other forums don't and yet it never really gets bogged down with trollish behaviour because of the levity and good sense of the people that use it.

When I read that bit about not getting bogged down by trolling, I actually laughed out loud without meaning to. I decided not to say anything about it because I was sure it would result in me being accused of having dead insects in my anus, or of being too serious, or spawn some whiny new joke thread (like New Politics). Then Comp piped up and said exactly what I thought, so I decided out of fairness I should chime in my agreement. 

I didn't call you (Fink) a troll. And while you did cease to post pictures in the politics thread when asked, other members decided to turn it into a fight. On a forum that has a real balance of seriousness and levity, that sort of bullshit immature behavior wouldn't happen.

 

For the record, I like the levity too. I don't want strict rules either. Bingo's picture in response to my post on the last page was one of the most humorous things I have seen in a while, I loved it. But you cannot deny the fact that just about every thread is the same these days, hence Comp's SOS comment. I don't see much of a balance between levity and seriousness. To me it feels very out of balance. I think you guys are considering the fan edits and preservation sections to be the serious side, and the off-topic to be the side with the "levity". Off-Topic itself is very nearly entirely "levity". Which is fine, as has already been admitted by me, that is obviously what the majority wants.

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Bingowings said:

An artist can create high art with a box of Crayolas, just because you have seen a lot of what you would describe as kids daubings doesn't follow that all wax crayon pictures are just scribbles.

I absolutely agree.

 

Many of the films edited are arguably not high art to start with.

What is high art anyway?

It's all 'work' (which is the originally meaning of art) no matter what qualities you see in it, even kids pictures are the product of effort.

I never claimed that the films they were editing were ever high art, I just said that they often (or used to, it has been a few years since i have even bothered with FE.org) seem to act as if their edits are high art.

I was never saying that fan edits are not "work" or "effort". I was just saying that, personally, I found the vast majority of them to be a waste of time and effort to obtain. What spawned Fink's offense and the continuation of this conversation was my comment that so many people have gotten into the fan editing thing that it has become a joke, like kids scribbling on pictures and suggesting that they are improving them.

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C3PX said:

 

I was never saying that fan edits are not "work" or "effort". I was just saying that, personally, I found the vast majority of them to be a waste of time and effort to obtain. What spawned Fink's offense and the continuation of this conversation was my comment that so many people have gotten into the fan editing thing that it has become a joke, like kids scribbling on pictures and suggesting that they are improving them.

 I don't know about "art" or "work" but over at FE.org, there seem to be noticeable hunk of the available edits that look like they lacked a high ammount of either rigor or forethought.

I dont think every edit needs a full length commentary track a la Phantom Editor carefully justifying and explaining each change, or a discussion thread 15,0000 posts long harranguing over every frame, but quite a few fanedits seem to be variations of "I cut the parts I didn't like" or "I added music from bands I prefer"

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C3PX said

....or spawn some whiny new joke thread (like New Politics).

For the record it was never intended to be a whiny thread...more a pastiche of a whiny thread like this one (ergo all the politically satirical rules and the unfathomable points and punishments system).

I wouldn't have even have considered coming up with it if the earlier fracas hadn't been brought up in a totally unrelated thread posted by someone asking for purchasing advice.

I didn't respond in that thread in a snarky fashion as it would not have been appropriate but started a separate 'joke' thread.

I kept my promise to keep out of the politics thread (without the need of a vote) and I will never post on there again...ever (probably).

I don't think I did anything there for which I need to be forgiven or apologise for  but I didn't see the point in continuing to interrupt what had become a very closed circuit.

I do read it though but it's often informative and hilariously amusing.

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C3PX said:

 OCP may have contributed a few things, but honestly, none of them that good by any means (SW Classic was atrocious, though I will admit his SW documentary, that I currently forget the name of, was pretty cool though). His obvious true talent was in selling the works of others.

His "The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled" edit was awesome, but I haven't seen any of his other stuff.

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C3PX said:

We enjoy a degree of freedom on here that other forums don't and yet it never really gets bogged down with trollish behaviour because of the levity and good sense of the people that use it.

When I read that bit about not getting bogged down by trolling, I actually laughed out loud without meaning to. I decided not to say anything about it because I was sure it would result in me being accused of having dead insects in my anus, or of being too serious, or spawn some whiny new joke thread (like New Politics). Then Comp piped up and said exactly what I thought, so I decided out of fairness I should chime in my agreement. 

I didn't call you (Fink) a troll. And while you did cease to post pictures in the politics thread when asked, other members decided to turn it into a fight. On a forum that has a real balance of seriousness and levity, that sort of bullshit immature behavior wouldn't happen.

 

For the record, I like the levity too. I don't want strict rules either. Bingo's picture in response to my post on the last page was one of the most humorous things I have seen in a while, I loved it. But you cannot deny the fact that just about every thread is the same these days, hence Comp's SOS comment. I don't see much of a balance between levity and seriousness. To me it feels very out of balance. I think you guys are considering the fan edits and preservation sections to be the serious side, and the off-topic to be the side with the "levity". Off-Topic itself is very nearly entirely "levity". Which is fine, as has already been admitted by me, that is obviously what the majority wants.

The off-topic section has always been this way, I don't understand why you've suddenly gotten all been out of shape about the state of this place over the past month or so. Let's face it, the off topic section has always been, for lack of a better word, retarded. Would you rather it go back to being completely dead like it was post-mass-member-exodus-to-Dayv's-and-Warb's-forums for several months before TV's Frink showed up? If anything he's the one responsible for pumping some damn life into this place again.

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Nanner Split said:

C3PX said:

 OCP may have contributed a few things, but honestly, none of them that good by any means (SW Classic was atrocious, though I will admit his SW documentary, that I currently forget the name of, was pretty cool though). His obvious true talent was in selling the works of others.

His "The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled" edit was awesome, but I haven't seen any of his other stuff.

Agreed.  That was the one thing of value OCP contributed, and it wasn't even Star Wars related!

Although I did like Deleted Magic in concept, it's a bit of a chore to sit through.  Don't get me started on the atrocious "Classic Editions."