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I did quite a bit of my own research back in the day when the Oliver Stone film came out. The film really struck a chord with me (I was alive when JFK was killed and remember the event). There was compelling evidence against the lone gunman theory ... and there was compelling evidence for it. The thing was, though, the amount of compelling evidence for consipiracy vs. Oswald acting alone was in the nature of a thousand to one.
I read 8 or 9 books on the subject before forming my opinon ... and I'm not willing to repeat that extensive research now. But I'm open to discussing it.
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Yes, I thought it was pretty well accepted that the Oswald "lone gunman" theory was pretty much discredited, by the evidence in your thread title - as well as so much more it has filled books and books of meticulous research..
Yes, I thought it was pretty well accepted that the Oswald "lone gunman" theory was pretty much discredited, by the evidence in your thread title - as well as so much more it has filled books and books of meticulous research..
So..... tempted.... must.... resist.... arguing.... with...... peabrain.....
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Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
So..... tempted.... must.... resist.... arguing.... with...... peabrain.....
Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Yes, I thought it was pretty well accepted that the Oswald "lone gunman" theory was pretty much discredited, by the evidence in your thread title - as well as so much more it has filled books and books of meticulous research..
Yes, I thought it was pretty well accepted that the Oswald "lone gunman" theory was pretty much discredited, by the evidence in your thread title - as well as so much more it has filled books and books of meticulous research..
So..... tempted.... must.... resist.... arguing.... with...... peabrain.....
I don't know if I'd put it like that exactly, but as the video I made demonstrates that Oswald fired the fatal shot through elementary physics.
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Obi Jeewhyen = Kennedy conspiracy theorist
Obi Jeewhyen = complete f#@cking jackass
I didn't want to come right out and call you a complete f#@cking jackass until I had concrete proof, but now I feel comfortable doing so.
By the way you were alive for the Kennedy assassination? I figured that you were around 13 or 14 years old, are you an old hippy burnout retard or something? Please let us now a little bit more about yourself. It is amazing that someone could be so ignorant and foolish across the board, I must know more about you, you intriguing dolt! At least let us now if you go all the way: Do you believe that the moon landing was a farse? I sure hope so, then you would really be something, some kind of super dunce!
HARMY RULES
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Originally posted by: Rob
Kennedy conspiracy theorist = complete f#@cking jackass
Obi Jeewhyen = Kennedy conspiracy theorist
Obi Jeewhyen = complete f#@cking jackass
I didn't want to come right out and call you a complete f#@cking jackass until I had concrete proof, but now I feel comfortable doing so.
By the way you were alive for the Kennedy assassination? I figured that you were around 13 or 14 years old, are you an old hippy burnout retard or something? Please let us now a little bit more about yourself. It is amazing that someone could be so ignorant and foolish across the board, I must know more about you, you intriguing dolt! At least let us now if you go all the way: Do you believe that the moon landing was a farse? I sure hope so, then you would really be something, some kind of super dunce!
Kennedy conspiracy theorist = complete f#@cking jackass
Obi Jeewhyen = Kennedy conspiracy theorist
Obi Jeewhyen = complete f#@cking jackass
I didn't want to come right out and call you a complete f#@cking jackass until I had concrete proof, but now I feel comfortable doing so.
By the way you were alive for the Kennedy assassination? I figured that you were around 13 or 14 years old, are you an old hippy burnout retard or something? Please let us now a little bit more about yourself. It is amazing that someone could be so ignorant and foolish across the board, I must know more about you, you intriguing dolt! At least let us now if you go all the way: Do you believe that the moon landing was a farse? I sure hope so, then you would really be something, some kind of super dunce!
Hey 60 Watt, you know what sound I'm making right now? It sounds a lot likw Sasquatch riding Nessy while racing the magic bullet to the set of the moon landing, and that sounds like a motherfucker, HAIYO! Keep me up to date Bob.
Bob.
Bob.
Haiyo.
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
I don't know if I'd put it like that exactly, but as the video I made demonstrates that Oswald fired the fatal shot through elementary physics.
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
So..... tempted.... must.... resist.... arguing.... with...... peabrain.....
Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Yes, I thought it was pretty well accepted that the Oswald "lone gunman" theory was pretty much discredited, by the evidence in your thread title - as well as so much more it has filled books and books of meticulous research..
Yes, I thought it was pretty well accepted that the Oswald "lone gunman" theory was pretty much discredited, by the evidence in your thread title - as well as so much more it has filled books and books of meticulous research..
So..... tempted.... must.... resist.... arguing.... with...... peabrain.....
I don't know if I'd put it like that exactly, but as the video I made demonstrates that Oswald fired the fatal shot through elementary physics.
There has been a few good shows on the History Channel using re-enactments (computer generated along with professional marksmen) to show how fucking asinine the magic bullet conspiracies are, really accurate and interesting stuff (and I see you've used some of it in your videos.)
Unfortunately – the notion of JFK’s assassination being a far-reaching government conspiracy has become so driven and cemented into the brains on the worldwide public that it’s practically treated as fact (thanks to zoned-out wackos and Oliver Stone,) and no amount of credible evidence will change it. The controversy is not as popular as it once was so not only has the damage already been done, it's irreversible.
You're pissing into the wind.
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The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!
"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."
--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010
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If you can't wait that long,just watch Red Dwarf
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HARMY RULES
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If you want to see what a real conspiracy would look like, I invite you to look at this page: The 1979 VELA 6911 Incident.
To sum it up, One of the US detection satellites detented a double-flash off the coast of the Prince Edward Islands in the south Atlantic. The official panel to investigate it, set up by President Carter, said that the flash was from a meteoroid, because of a discrepancy in the bhangmeter readings on the satellite. Despite the conclusion by carter's Ad hoc presidential panel, the Central Intelligent Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, Los Alamos Lational Laboratory, and Sandia National Laboratory all agreed that the incident was a nuclear detonation. However, that same discrepancy was also seen in confirmed nuclear tests.
In addition to the bhangmeter readings, the US Navy's network of underwater microphones detected shockwave travelling through the water from the save area at the same time as the incident. That year, a professor in Australia reported increased amounts of iodine-131, a product of Uranium fission, in sheep thyroids in Western Australia.
Despite all that evidence, which both Carter's Ad Hoc panel and the intelligence community and the DOE had access to, the offical panel set up by Jimmy Carter said that it was a meteoroid hitting the satellite. This could have been the Carter administration covering up a nuclear test, but nobody really knows or cares.
It is infinitely more likely, however, that this is simply a case of shoddy research on the par of the Ad Hoc panelt.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabris, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
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Certainly don't buy into Oliver Stone's JFK and views - though I din't believe Mel Gibson's Braveheart as a reliable piece on commentating on history either
Montcalm - top Red Dwarf episode - nice idea. That episode could only be bettered if it featured Mr Flibble
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?”
“Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?” - Oddball, of The Awkward Squad
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The main problem is with stuff like this is that people like conspiracies and don't readly believe that one nutcase could do this on their own. An example from history is the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. At the time, there were all these theories that Booth was an agent of the Confederate goverment, personally hired by Jefferson Davis, to kill Lincoln. Lincoln's widow, Mary Todd Lincoln beleived that then VP Andrew Johnson was also involved in the assassination and was actually a Confederate spy as well. No historians today beleve any of these theores. I think one will have to wait and see what history actually decides on Kennedy.
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I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, I actually like the film JFK as work of fiction, but not as something historically correct, I read some of the consipricy books that have been around, I used to think that he was killed by some sort of conspiracy after reading them but in the cold light of day all the evidence seems to point to Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone and some of these books have yet provide real hard evidence of other people involved and some of the theories seem to me shaky and outlandish to say the least.
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Originally posted by: Rob
I must know more about you, you intriguing dolt!
Well, where to start? How about with the fact that I’m not fourteen, I’m over 40. Perhaps you’re projecting your own age group onto others. I don’t really know how old you are, I’m just making an assumption. But whereas yours about my age is presumably based on my opinions, mine about yours is based on your weaksauce debating skills which run to namecalling on a constant basis.
Here’s some gems from the brilliantly mature Rob (stuff that would get you suspended, then banned from any decent message board):
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you have the comprehension skills of a fucking salamander
I must know more about you, you intriguing dolt!
Well, where to start? How about with the fact that I’m not fourteen, I’m over 40. Perhaps you’re projecting your own age group onto others. I don’t really know how old you are, I’m just making an assumption. But whereas yours about my age is presumably based on my opinions, mine about yours is based on your weaksauce debating skills which run to namecalling on a constant basis.
Here’s some gems from the brilliantly mature Rob (stuff that would get you suspended, then banned from any decent message board):
Originally posted by: Rob
You are also a rotten coward
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you missed the part where I mentioned the "Impending Soviet invasion," dumbass
You are also a rotten coward
Originally posted by: Rob
Don't worry about yourself fruitcake
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you are a fucking moron
Don't worry about yourself fruitcake
Originally posted by: Rob
you're not capable of protecting your swishy self
And for good measure, because it suits the point I will come to presently, some mature remarks from you cohort in 14-year-old debate style of namecalling:
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you're just dumb
you're not capable of protecting your swishy self
Originally posted by: Rob
you're the first gay retard that I have come across on the net
Originally posted by: Rob
Obi Jeewhyen = complete f#@cking jackass.
I didn't want to come right out and call you a complete f#@cking jackass until I had concrete proof, but now I feel comfortable doing so.
you're the first gay retard that I have come across on the net
Originally posted by: Rob
Obi Jeewhyen = complete f#@cking jackass.
I didn't want to come right out and call you a complete f#@cking jackass until I had concrete proof, but now I feel comfortable doing so.
And for good measure, because it suits the point I will come to presently, some mature remarks from you cohort in 14-year-old debate style of namecalling:
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you're just dumb
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you are a fucking moron
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you missed the part where I mentioned the "Impending Soviet invasion," dumbass
Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you have the comprehension skills of a fucking salamander
Differing opinions, you will discover when you grow past teenhood, are held by all sorts of people of different ages. Namecalling is pretty much restricted to people under 16 years old. (Usually under 9 years old, but on the internet, the maturity curve seems steeper.)
In any event, to foster a non-hostile atmosphere, most message boards are pretty strict about a no personal attacks, no namecalling policy. And that’s cause there’s a lot of incredibly rude and immature people on the internet, as you two have amply demonstrated.
And while it’s been fun for a while to diss back at you - without resorting to namecalling (fyi, Rob: even though I think you’re gay, I never called you “queer” or “fag”) ... but it’s grown tiresome really quick. I feel no need to read or post at a site where a zero moderation effort lets the worst-behaved internet posters have free reign. And I certainly feel no need to discuss serious stuff like warfare or political assassination with people whose debate styles runs to the type of quotes posted above. It's really not even fun talking Star Wars at a place so hostile.
Yeah, that means ... oh congratulate yourself boys ... you’ve run me off. Oh, whatever shall I do without originaltrilogy.com in my life? I’ll probably have to cry myself to sleep for a few nights, but I’ll eventually get over it. Maybe in a month or so. Or, more likely, in five minutes.
(YAGEing is such bad message board form. But, then again, so is allowing a free-for-all of personal attacks and childish namecalling. So what the heck? Might as well YAGE.)
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I saw the documentary mentioned above and I agree, it does convince me that the injuries sustained by the occupants of the car could have been caused by bullets from the book depository.
But all that tells me is that a gunman from the book depository could have caused the injuries.
It by no means proves that Oswald was the gunman or that he acted without anyone else knowing about it, let alone anyone supporting him. I'm sure the documentary makers would agree, since their focus was purely on the gunshot wounds and where the shots that caused them could have come from.
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The most likely scenario is that Oswald was a frickin' Communist that hated JFK and wanted him dead... and made it happen.
The video footage clearly shows the exit wound was in the front of Kennedy's head, which means the killing shot came from behind--end of story.
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
The cine footage seems to show JFK's face getting blown off, which would strike me as consistent with a bullet from behind his head.
I saw the documentary mentioned above and I agree, it does convince me that the injuries sustained by the occupants of the car could have been caused by bullets from the book depository.
But all that tells me is that a gunman from the book depository could have caused the injuries.
It by no means proves that Oswald was the gunman or that he acted without anyone else knowing about it, let alone anyone supporting him. I'm sure the documentary makers would agree, since their focus was purely on the gunshot wounds and where the shots that caused them could have come from.
The cine footage seems to show JFK's face getting blown off, which would strike me as consistent with a bullet from behind his head.
I saw the documentary mentioned above and I agree, it does convince me that the injuries sustained by the occupants of the car could have been caused by bullets from the book depository.
But all that tells me is that a gunman from the book depository could have caused the injuries.
It by no means proves that Oswald was the gunman or that he acted without anyone else knowing about it, let alone anyone supporting him. I'm sure the documentary makers would agree, since their focus was purely on the gunshot wounds and where the shots that caused them could have come from.
Very good point; when I made the documentary I could have obviously gone on and on and made a whole mini-series about it, but time permitting...
In any case, it is most likely that Oswald did it (assuming all shots were fired from the Depository) because not only did people see him at the time, but his prints were found on the weapon.
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
In any case, it is most likely that Oswald did it (assuming all shots were fired from the Depository) because not only did people see him at the time, but his prints were found on the weapon.
Purely circumstantial! In any case, it is most likely that Oswald did it (assuming all shots were fired from the Depository) because not only did people see him at the time, but his prints were found on the weapon.
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Bullets travel slow enough that we can use the formula E=1/2mv^2 to calculate. The rifle that Oswald used had a muzzle velocity of 700 meters per second, and used 128 grain ammunition. Plugging that into the KE formula we get E=(1/2)(0.00829 kg)(700 m/s). When we calculate that, the total Kinetic energy of 2.9015 joules. For comparison, 1 joule is equivalent to 0.000239 kilocalories, the unit of measure used to measure food.
You also seem to be forgetting about Newton's 3rd Law of Motion. Even if there was a 2nd gunman who shot Kennedy with enough force to visibly knock his head back, that same amount of energy would have also been exerted on the shoot as well. Meaning that your second gunman would have had a broken collarbone, and several ribs, if he had used a rifle roferful enough to exert enough energy to knock Kennedy back and to the left.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabris, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.