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Originally posted by: marioxbAnimorphic would be altered as well.


Every time someone claims that, he or she should be banned immediately form this forum. I can´t hear it anymore. I mean, the DVD format reaches its 10th birthday soon, and yet there are still so many uninformed people around spreading their filth, it´s not funny anymore.

I mean, isn´t it pathetic to what extend some fanboys go to defend this release? We are not in the year 1993 anymore, anamorphic DVD´s and new digital transfers have become a ->STANDARD<- in the industry since long time ago. Yesterday, I watched my Kinowelt Flash Gordon RC2 release from 2001 in excellent quality on my 16:9 display. Hell, even when I bought my DVD player back in 1999, ALL my DVD´s I had bought with it were anamorphically enhanced and still look good today.

People seem to have the misconception that remastering a movie means to put a lot of money into it. During the past years in the DVD era, lots of significant achievemts in film and computer technology were made. Digitally transferring a 35mm film print, what was once a tedious and expensive process, has long become affordable even for small studios. Many classic movies have reappeared on DVD in new glory, carefully restaured using the best elements and the finest care from people who have shown lots of dedication to the preservation of motion picture history. We are one step away from the worldwide mass introduction of a new Television format, which will set the bar for quality even higher.

Now watch this OOT release in the year 2006 A.D., and the people around it.

George is a genious. No seriously, I mean it. You are the king of the masses, the true personification of mainstream. Your opinion counts, and people will follow you and your original vision. "Anamorphic? What is that?" your followers ask, but instantly come to the conclusion that if you have decided against it, it must be for a good reason. Most of us haven´t heard about it at all, so it must be some kind of ploy of the unbelievers to drag your good Lord name into the mud. After all, the unbelievers should be grateful that they got anything at all, since they have seperated themselves from the pure faith, not worshipping your original vision.

George, you should really have thought about creating a religion of Star Wars, since your fans show the same signs of denial and blind following which can easily be compared to radical extremists.

Suddenly, all the years of technical achievements mean nothing anymore. Those who question your decisions are spoiled ungrateful children now. Years of continuing increase in quality are forgotten. After all, they look better than the old VHS, wasn´t all this DVD- Schmeeveedee about? Looking better than VHS?

George, you are wonderful. We should thank you now, buy more, and just be happy!
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If we ban them though they will just spread it to other forums, and there may not be people there to correct them. Better to enlighten their ignorance here than to let them infect others. But damn do i understand what you are saying--I've realised how little some people actually know.
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Animorphic would be altered as well.


In fact, the original theatrical versions were in an anamorphic format when they ran theatrically.
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I watched my sister's copies of the OOT on our parents' widescreen TV last night and all I have to say is that this release is an inexcusable insult. There is no reason why LFL couldn't have made them anamorphic so they can play PROPERLY on modern technology!!!

Widescreen TVs are made to eliminate those black bars provided the movie is anamorphic. This is beyond asinine, man!!! And we're expected to accept this shit with a smile??? Gimme a break!!!

It's not a question of altering or even preserving them as they were. Anamorphic doesn't change shit....it only allows people to take advantage of modern technology for the best presentation.

This not a case of fans being whiny or not getting what we want. We are getting the OT unaltered..maybe not the best picture or audio, but that's another story. I'm actually happy with the quality (even though I think the bootlegs are better), but the anamorphic issue kills it for me. To release ANY movie nowadays that doesn't take advantage of the newer TVs is just plain wrong on so many levels.
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The point I´m trying to make is how Lucas has managed to mobilize the sheer ignorance of his blind followers, and I think the comparision between religious fanatics is quite justified. Fanatics don´t believe and understand progress, yet they consider themselves being able to have a word with people who actually understand what´s going on.

It´s funny how these people percieve anamorphic enhancement as something completely new, which has been recently developed...
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More to the point, it's a non-sequitur: it's like saying "but putting them on a DVD alters the movies".
Anamorphic is just an improved quality format.
People with brains can separate the content from the medium.
Darth Lucas: I am altering the trilogy. Pray I don't alter it further.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Widescreen TVs are made to eliminate those black bars provided the movie is anamorphic.

Not true! Well, not entirely true.

An anamorphic movie on DVD means that the black bars are smaller, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're eliminated. Material at exactly 16:9 (1.78:1) will be free of black bars, but something like Star Wars -- which is 2.35:1 or thereabouts -- will (and should) still have black bars. Still, much more of the information on the DVD would be picture information, with only small black bars encoded to pad out the image to 16:9. You can't eliminate the black bars for Star Wars on DVD!
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If Anamorphic doesn't change shit, then why do so many here seem to think it's such a huge issue?

Calling people who are happy to get the O-OT on DVD in any format "blind followers" or "religious extremists" just because they aren't nearly as anal retentive about what format it is delivered in as the rest of us is a bit on the ironic side no?
Your focus determines your reality.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
If Anamorphic doesn't change shit, then why do so many here seem to think it's such a huge issue?

Hmm, good question. I guess we could be happy with our VHS copies aswell, don´t we? Since these are still basically the same movies then.

Beware: anamorphic enhancement makes your penis smaller! It is an evil ploy thought up by OOT extremist to draw George´s good name into the mud! And yes, they are all communists!


Calling people who are happy to get the O-OT on DVD in any format "blind followers" or "religious extremists" just because they aren't nearly as anal retentive about what format it is delivered in as the rest of us is a bit on the ironic side no?


Now comes the last desperate measure of the uninformed: titty twisting words around, and instead of discussing the topic, making a discussion about the discussion.

1. I never said that "people who are happy to get the O-OT on DVD in any format" are "blind followers" or "religious extremists". Don´t give yourself up, learn reading.
2. What I despise most if people, who "ain´t know shit about these technical hoopaloopa" get vocal on this release, and phrasing empty, meaningless sentences like "amanorphic changes the movies". Ah, and people, who are titty twisting words in my mouth.

Why are YOU so retentive about these DVD´s aswell? YOU COULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH YOUR OLD VHS EDITIONS! But no, you are such a quality whore and buy these on these new puny digital disc formats! YOu have lost the pure faith in the FORCE and its creator! YOur eyes can decieve you, don´t trust them! Trust in your creator! These movies are just shells to something more revolutionary.... It is..... PURE FAITH!!!!! YOU GOT TO SEE THE LIGHT!!!!!!

DID YOU SEE THE LIGHT??????

YOU GOT TO FIGHT! * BOOM BOOM* FOR YOUR RIGHT! TO LOOOOW QUALITYYYYY!

This is so ridiculous...



Flash Gordon is anyway waaaayyy much better than Star Wars. It has more colours, a MUCH better DVD transfer, and the chicks are hotter. It deserves the better transfer, sinces the OOT is sooo historically irrelevant...


Sheesh, they must have spent gazillions of money investing in this anamorphic Transfer of Flash Gordon... I wish George would have so much money..... But yes, it´s worth the effort, since Flash Gordon easily outsells something so unimportant than Star Wars...
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The main reason for me to have them on DVD (and I do know what anamorphic does, I just dont care and never have), is because I want to watch everything on the same format. VHS can wear out, DVDs cant. You can skip to any scene on DVD, and the picture quality is usually better than VHS. I have never had a desire to own a laserdisc player, though I do own a few discs for some reason. All I am saying is that I am happy now. I like the SEs, but I just wanted to have both versions on DVD. All we need now is the 1997 SEs and all of the unreleased extras. All done.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
The main reason for me to have them on DVD (and I do know what anamorphic does)


Yes we have heard that from you... Anamorphic changes the movies! Anamorphic is evil-doing to movies!


, I just dont care and never have), is because I want to watch everything on the same format. VHS can wear out, DVDs cant.


This is interesting, "DVD´s can´t wear out". Exactly as interesting as "anamorphic changes the movie".


You can skip to any scene on DVD, and the picture quality is usually better than VHS.


Usually, but some releases come closer to VHS quality than others.... Hmmmm....

But then again:

Suddenly, all the years of technical achievements mean nothing anymore. Those who question your decisions are spoiled ungrateful children now. Years of continuing increase in quality are forgotten. After all, they look better than the old VHS, wasn´t all this DVD- Schmeeveedee about? Looking better than VHS?



I have never had a desire to own a laserdisc player, though I do own a few discs for some reason. All I am saying is that I am happy now. I like the SEs, but I just wanted to have both versions on DVD. All we need now is the 1997 SEs and all of the unreleased extras. All done.


If you are happy with this release: fine. After all, it is non-anamorphic NTSC, thus exactly the same like you watched it in the movie theatres, isn´t it? Everything else would just be a massive alteration of the original viewing experience....... AND WE ABSOLUTELY DON´T WANT THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE REQUESTED THE ORIGINALS, WE DON´T WANT TO BE UNGRATEFUL ANAL RETENTIVE SISSIES ! ONLY REAL MEN CAN TAKE THE ORIGINAL VIEWING EXPERIENCE!

Hmm, but I wonder how people in PAL lands have watched them in CINEMAS.... NONSENSE, ENDURING UPSCALED NTSC SEPERATES REAL MEN FROM THE PUSSIES!!!!
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I don't know where my comments will fit in here but here they are anyway:

Well due to all of the discussions on here, I have been kicking around buying a newer version of one of my favorite movies I have had for a while because the newer version is an SE and includes a bonus disc, but more importantly, the movie is now anamorphic (it was just in Letterbox beofore). Well I did buy it yesterday and on my 16X9 TV, it is an AMAZING difference! ALL of my other movies are anamorphic so I never really had anything to compare it to like I did with this movie. It ws so cool to watch the Letterboxed one and then flip to the anamorphic one...complete and total night and day!

The GOUT was a pointless thing for me to buy in the end so I stayed away from it. I have a newer 16X9 DLP TV and I can't use the Zoom feature if I play the DVD through my component setting. So I would've needed to use the A/V setting to be able to zoom in, losing even more quality on an already sub-par release AND I would've lose most (if not all) of the subtitles too! No thanks! I didn't spend good money on my TV/DVD player/Wires to have to settle and watch my favorite movies of all time, the OUT, in the worst way possible.

I think Lucas is playing a big game here, folks. EVERY single review I have read so far is giving a thumbs up for finally releasing the OUT but a big thumbs down for the quality. I think Lucas did this because A) he plans on double-dipping on fans and B) because his next release is going to wow people, and create even more hype and buzz. He is pulling the classic salemsan trick IMO: he is showing people an old "just okay" item and putting a spin on things to make it seem like if they don't get this, they will be totally out of luck. All the while he knows the new models are on the assembly line, are of much better quality and will definitely wow people when they come out. So the salesman wins twice because all of people who bought the old model will want to buy the new model too, AND he was able to clear old stock and make money!

I HIGHLY doubt a company like LFL is going to let a low-quality release be thier latest buzz for very long. They will be going back on their word soon, acting like they never had plans to restore the OUT until now...I can hear it now: "Due to the overwhelming response of the sales of the 09/12 DVDs and the countless letters, emails, etc., from fans, we have decided to restore the OUT and bring it to you in all of its glory...". You'll then here some puppet from LFL saying, "We really had no idea there was such a demand for the OUT...."

I stand by my theory: if footage from EOD shows scenes from the OUT in anamorphic and that was released in '04, two years ago now, then there is DEFINITELY something in the works for the very bear future!
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/IRonic mode on/

Originally posted by: ESHBG
I don't know where my comments will fit in here but here they are anyway:

Well due to all of the discussions on here, I have been kicking around buying a newer version of one of my favorite movies I have had for a while because the newer version is an SE and includes a bonus disc, but more importantly, the movie is now anamorphic (it was just in Letterbox beofore). Well I did buy it yesterday and on my 16X9 TV, it is an AMAZING difference! ALL of my other movies are anamorphic so I never really had anything to compare it to like I did with this movie. It ws so cool to watch the Letterboxed one and then flip to the anamorphic one...complete and total night and day!

You ungrateful terrorist/extremist! Don´t you see that anamorphic and other evil eye-candy-ism is distracting you from the original faith experience? If you are a real fighter for good, you have to experience -> celibacy<- !!!!!! No one needs anamorphic-sschmanamorphic to have faith in the force and Lucas! The only thing you are supposed to do is give him your UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! ....and your money!

Ungrateful hyppocrites! Terrorists! They got what they wanted and are still terrorising around, pushing people ayway from the ONE TRUE VISION!


The GOUT was a pointless thing for me to buy in the end so I stayed away from it.


You ungrateful infidel! They look better than VHS!!!!!!!! THANK GEORGE LUCAS FOR YOUR ASS!!!!


I have a newer 16X9 DLP TV and I can't use the Zoom feature if I play the DVD through my component setting.

So I would've needed to use the A/V setting to be able to zoom in, losing even more quality on an already sub-par release AND I would've lose most (if not all) of the subtitles too! No thanks! I didn't spend good money on my TV/DVD player/Wires to have to settle and watch my favorite movies of all time, the OUT, in the worst way possible.

Ther is NO EXCUSE for your treachery!!!!!!!!!! You have been proven guilty to support the "Secret Anamorphic Split Party" of the Star Wars religion!!!! PRay that we donßt take away your SE´s and replace them with the OLD VHS COPIES!!!!


I think Lucas is playing a big game here, folks.


THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!


EVERY single review I have read so far is giving a thumbs up for finally releasing the OUT but a big thumbs down for the quality.

ALL UNBELIEVERS! ONLY NON.ANAMORPHIC GIVES THE TRUE VIEWING EXPERIENCE!!!!! ANAMORPHIC IS A MODERN EVIL-ISM!!!!! IT DOES BAD THINGS TO MOVIES!!!!


I think Lucas did this because A) he plans on double-dipping on fans and B) because his next release is going to wow people, and create even more hype and buzz.


THE ONLY EXPERIENCE TRUE STAR WARS FANS WANTS IS MORE MESSAGES FROM THE CREATOR! WE ARE HAPPY THAT THE CREATOR IS CONSTATLY IMPROVING HE BASE OF OUR FAITH!!!!


He is pulling the classic salemsan trick IMO:


YOU INFIDELS! THE GOUT DVD´S WERE ONLY RELEASED BECAUS EOUR CREAQTOR HAS A GOOD HEART, AND HAS LONG GONE EVOLVED FROM BEING DEPENDANT ON MATERIAL VALUES!!!


he is showing people an old "just okay" item and putting a spin on things to make it seem like if they don't get this, they will be totally out of luck.


YEAH; HUH HUH, THEY WON´T GET ANYTHING ANYMORE IF THEY DON´T BUY THIS RELEASE!!!!


All the while he knows the new models are on the assembly line, are of much better quality and will definitely wow people when they come out. So the people who bought the oldq model will want to buy the new model too!



INFIDEL! THE WAY OUR FAITH IS PRESENTED NOW ON THE GOUT IS THE WAY PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED OUR FAITH EVER SINCE!!!!


I HIGHLY doubt a company like LFL is going to let a low-quality release be thier latest buzz for very long...


THY CREATOR WILL DO AS THY CREATOR PLEASES!
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Originally posted by: marioxb
All we need now is the 1997 SEs


Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's never going to happen. It no longer represents George's vision. And since there aren't a group of anal retentive whiny fanboys like us to beg for it, it's never going to see the light of day again.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: marioxb
All we need now is the 1997 SEs


Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's never going to happen. It no longer represents George's vision. And since there aren't a group of anal retentive whiny fanboys like us to beg for it, it's never going to see the light of day again.

Man, what a sad day when people have to beg for even the '97 SEs! LOL That is what cracked me up the most: I was expecting the '04 releases to be the '97 SEs and I was okay with that (would rather have the OUT of course, but I could deal w/ the '97s at that time). Good thing I found out about the other stupid changes before I opened my set, I returned the darn thing and got my money back.
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I'm just saying that people who don't care enough to know what difference Anamorphic makes can't really be considered extremists.
Your focus determines your reality.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I'm just saying that people who don't care enough to know what difference Anamorphic makes can't really be considered extremists.


"anamorphic changes movies" != (not equal) "i don´t care about anamorphic"

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I can accept the O-OT on DVD regardless of wether or not it's Anamorphic = Laid back and casual.

I can only accpet the O-OT on DVD if it is presented in Anamorphic format = Less laid back and casual.
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I'm thinking that we all need a nice big bottle of Jack to wash away all this nonsense.

I'm getting a headache with all this shit.

Sticking with my bootlegs....period...but I do have an idea to get these DVDs anyway (in case they are gone for good) without paying a cent for them.....more on that later.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
I'm thinking that we all need a nice big bottle of Jack to wash away all this nonsense.


The bottle would look bigger it it was presented anamorphically...

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I can accept the O-OT on DVD regardless of wether or not it's Anamorphic = Laid back and casual.

I can only accpet the O-OT on DVD if it is presented in Anamorphic format = Less laid back and casual.


...and the most laid back and casuals are the ones who can enjoy the 40 min cut crappy Super 8 copy.


FINALLY, YOU GOT THE TRUE FAITH!!!! SEEING IS NOT BELIEVING, BUT BELIEVING IS SEEING!!! FREE YOURSELF FROM VISUAL DISTRACTIONS LIKE EVIL ANAMORPHISMS! ONLY THE PURE FAITH IS ENOUGH!


And your money. ;O)
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Go Mer i think his original point was not that people are accepting of non-anamorphic, but that people are completely ignorant to what the term anamorphic actually means.

And yes, the OOT will one day be anamorphic. Quite possibly even next year, though i would be equally unsurprised if they waited until the end of the HD line before pulling it out. LFL has conceived a brilliant sales strategy. Can you imagine if a restored, anamorphic OOT was released in 2004, and then the OT-SE-SE in 2006? Who would buy the SE? Not a whole lot. But people bought it in 2004 because it was the only Star Wars on DVD. The same strategy will follow with HD. PT first, because otherwise the OT sales would blow it away. Then OT-SE, otherwise the OOT sales would blow it away. Then the OOT. If they play their cards right you can get people to buy all three versions.
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Still people who don't understand what Anamorphic means are not extremists, if anything they are lazy.

You guys have had Lucas all figured out for years now, and yet we still buy every version he puts out.

I hope you guys are right about Lucas just trying to get us to buy all the versions, because it would really suck if this was the last chance ("no really this time I -really- mean it"), and we missed it -again-.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Still people who don't understand what Anamorphic means are not extremists, if anything they are lazy.


Master >Go-Mer-Tonic the enlighted< , lack of knowledge is no extremism, no, but SPREADING the lack of knowledge, or even worse.... FALSE KNOWLEDGE, to protect the god-creature, THIS is the extremism.
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Originally posted by: Laserschwert
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
I'm thinking that we all need a nice big bottle of Jack to wash away all this nonsense.

The bottle would look bigger it it was presented anamorphically...

LOL

Canle-X1: Sticking with my bootlegs....period...but I do have an idea to get these DVDs anyway (in case they are gone for good) without paying a cent for them.....more on that later.

Please keep me posted if you don't mind.