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how's the converting process coming?
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I've been doing trial and error on different applications and I think I'm close. I think I've figured out the problem that had halted my authoring and I might be close on a breakthrough on the 24fps progressive mpg encode. I've learned so much about encoding the last week or so it's scary. I know exactly what I want it to do, and I think I almost have TMPGEnc bent to my will. TMPGEnc is just so freakin' slow that it takes forever to see the results of the latest trial. Each one gets closer.
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Originally posted by: caligulathegod
I've been doing trial and error on different applications and I think I'm close. I think I've figured out the problem that had halted my authoring and I might be close on a breakthrough on the 24fps progressive mpg encode. I've learned so much about encoding the last week or so it's scary. I know exactly what I want it to do, and I think I almost have TMPGEnc bent to my will. TMPGEnc is just so freakin' slow that it takes forever to see the results of the latest trial. Each one gets closer.


I'll be doing my version this weekend. I've just been working 2 jobs the last week and haven't had time. Sorry!

I'll update as things go along.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Ok the fanedited.com version has the "Extras" menu option

In that sub menu there is

-Restored Music Sequences
-Building Empire Trailer
-Alternate Crawl
-DVD-ROM Extras
-Notes


Glad to hear it. Is the Easter Egg there?

BTW It looks like one of our Welsh friends is up to it again! Grr!

ebid auction

Looks like they are from, ebbw vale, Newport, United Kingdom. Interesting.

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Originally posted by: Ell the Ewok
In the end you cant stop these guys. Just be proud that you've made something so good people are willing to pay for. Of course its a pitty you dont get that cash yourself.


Thanks for the complement, but it really does P me off when people sell my work. If i charged 5 quid for half of the number of copies out there, I would have brought in 12500 pounds. But I didn't because, quite simply it's not right. This is a moral choice and one which, as members of this forum and the wider community, we have made a committment to.

JD

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I know that you aren't Ell. I just wanted to express how strongly I feel about it. Sorry if it didn't come across clearly.

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Originally posted by: caligulathegod
I've been doing trial and error on different applications and I think I'm close. I think I've figured out the problem that had halted my authoring and I might be close on a breakthrough on the 24fps progressive mpg encode. I've learned so much about encoding the last week or so it's scary. I know exactly what I want it to do, and I think I almost have TMPGEnc bent to my will. TMPGEnc is just so freakin' slow that it takes forever to see the results of the latest trial. Each one gets closer.


That's great. It's a learning experience for you and something for the fans- a win-win situation.
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Ok, after weeks of trial and error I finally got the video to be 24fps progressive. The sound is slightly off from my original, so I'll have to adjust it by 5 seconds or so. The video takes 5-7 hours to encode (on slow-high quality) each time so I'd have to do each trial while I was at work or while I was asleep which is what took so long. Turns out I was trying to do too much at once. What ended up working was deinterlacing, resizing, and making it progressive 25fps at double the bitrate first run, then a second run at converting to 24fps with no frame adjust at the final bitrate. It was originally deinterlacing and reencoding each field of 50fps as a single frame at 24fps making it print each frame twice. I'd only get half a film. That happened three straight times.

As I'd said before, my other times of tranferring PAL to NTSC used the techniques that didn't alter sound. It was quite a bit more of a challenge doing it this way without getting the stutter. I'm now going to use DGpulldown to apply 3:2 pulldown flags to the video rather than converting to 29.97fps interlaced. Hopefully it won't intruduce any judder above and beyond your native NTSC.

I'll keep the thread updated to the final step. We're almost there.
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Yeah, but now I'm trying to get the sound in synch. It loses a second or two or five as the film goes not matter how I adjust it. Ugh. I have to programs to fix it, but it's a tedious process. It takes 20 minutes for each recode and save of the soundtrack in GoldWave or Audition only to find it's still slightly off. If I do Returning to Jedi, it's getting the old method. This way is too much trouble. The old method took me about a good day or two and it was done. If by the end of the week, it's still causing me problems, I'm plugging in my old transfer and considering it done.
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Hi Jambe,

Out of interest, did you / was there / will there ever be a DL version of this, like there is with RtJ?

I'm assuming you kept a high quality version of the edit

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Originally posted by: DVD-BOY
Out of interest, did you / was there / will there ever be a DL version of this, like there is with RtJ?
I'm assuming you kept a high quality version of the edit


NO, there was never a DL version of 'BE'. Luckily it all fitted perfectly on one SL DVD-R.

'RTJ' runs a bit longer. And I transcoded it with a newer version of 'Compressor' which may have higher bit-rate standards.

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Originally posted by: Jambe Davdar
Originally posted by: DVD-BOY
Out of interest, did you / was there / will there ever be a DL version of this, like there is with RtJ?
I'm assuming you kept a high quality version of the edit


NO, there was never a DL version of 'BE'. Luckily it all fitted perfectly on one SL DVD-R.

'RTJ' runs a bit longer. And I transcoded it with a newer version of 'Compressor' which may have higher bit-rate standards.

JD


No worries, I didn't know whether you had only just 'found your footing' now with Dual Layer.

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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Caligula,

Any luck?

Digi


Yeah, I think I finally did. I got the sound pretty close, then I've started adjusting the sound a milisecond or two at a time. I might be a frame or two off now, so another run or two should do it. I swear, I love this GoldWave. It's so much easier than Audition and more precise. Much quicker, too. Takes 3-5 minutes to render, plus another 5 minutes to save. I then take the saved file and plug it into Womble to test synch. I have about 4 scenes I use to test the sync. One even has a clapper board. It's actually almost good enough but one scene with Imperial officers ("No ship that size has a cloaking device") seems to be less forgiving than other scenes when it comes to the synch, so I want to get it right on.
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Originally posted by: caligulathegod
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Caligula,

Any luck?

Digi


Yeah, I think I finally did. I got the sound pretty close, then I've started adjusting the sound a milisecond or two at a time. I might be a frame or two off now, so another run or two should do it. I swear, I love this GoldWave. It's so much easier than Audition and more precise. Much quicker, too. Takes 3-5 minutes to render, plus another 5 minutes to save. I then take the saved file and plug it into Womble to test synch. I have about 4 scenes I use to test the sync. One even has a clapper board. It's actually almost good enough but one scene with Imperial officers ("No ship that size has a cloaking device") seems to be less forgiving than other scenes when it comes to the synch, so I want to get it right on.


C,

I don't understand what the problem is. It shouldn't be this difficult. I'd really like to take a crack at it because you seem to be having a lot of problems. After Dracula is done seeding, i'll try it.
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The soundtrack doesn't seem to be as long as the video. The video is 2:16:43.40 and the audio is 2:16:42.76. The original audio was 2:11:05.34ish. So that's a 5 minute adjustment plus that throws it off by almost a second if I had put them at the same length. It will be finished this evening, I think.
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Originally posted by: caligulathegod
The soundtrack doesn't seem to be as long as the video. The video is 2:16:43.40 and the audio is 2:16:42.76. The original audio was 2:11:05.34ish. So that's a 5 minute adjustment plus that throws it off by almost a second if I had put them at the same length. It will be finished this evening, I think.


What did you use to extend the audio? AC3machine?
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I demuxed the AC3 and converted it to WAV using Besweet, then I used GoldWave's timewarp feature to stretch the sound to the same length as the converted movie, setting it so that it did not correct pitch. For some reason, the synch was drifting. I could remove a few frames worth of sound every ten minutes (which I really didn't want to do, anyway), but it kept drifting. Then I took the demuxed version of the original PAL soundtrack and noticed that it wasn't the quite the same length as the PAL movie, so I knew where my error was. The soundtrack ends before the end of Jambe's production credit. So, I took the original sound and would stretch it out to the NTSC length, minus a few seconds, and then test it. It finally got close enough that I started making more minute adjustments (always to the original wav, so I wasn't reprocessing the same file multiple times) to get it within a few frames. I'm only working on this part a few minutes a day lately because I'm in training at work, so I don't have as much free time. It's looking pretty close right now. I'll probably be done tonight. It sounds more painstaking than it is. I used TMPGenc to get it to a true 24fps progressive, then ran it through DGPulldown to set the 3:2 pulldown flags. I really didn't see the point in interlacing it to 29.97i. Then I worked on the sound. If I ever do it again I've got all my trial and error done, and figured out what seems to work.
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AC3machine specifically has PAL to NTSC on there. No need to use wav files.

I have a feeling you're making this a lot more complicated than it is.
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Hey is there a chance anyone could post Building Empire on alt.binaries.starwars Long ago (last year) someone had posted it but for some reason one rar file was missing and I could never extract the file... actually still have the rar files on an external USB drive somewhere hoping on day to find that elusive part 16...


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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
AC3machine specifically has PAL to NTSC on there. No need to use wav files.

I have a feeling you're making this a lot more complicated than it is.


How so if I can ask?
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Originally posted by: kaine23
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
AC3machine specifically has PAL to NTSC on there. No need to use wav files.

I have a feeling you're making this a lot more complicated than it is.


How so if I can ask?



Ac3machine? There's a checkbox that says convert 25fps to 23.796. Click it and you're done.