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***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! *** — Page 33

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I'll try and work on it this week. Hopefully I won't have the same problem.
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Rapidshare links for the PAL version Building Empire can be found on the Fanedited forums. They were uploaded and posted by a third party without any communication with me. But hey, if more people get to see it as a result, then I am happy.

JD

Creator of Star Wars Begins, Building Empire and Returning to Jedi
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caligula,

Im just trying to understand what your doing exactly, your are converting the frame speed of the film but not the audio speed?


Jambe, I have a question for you too actually. On the site you recommended to go to to download the movie through rapidshare the site says the movie is 3.5GB but I thought building empire was closer to 4.2-4.5GB, is there something missing from the fanedited download?

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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I had already converted the main film to NTSC, and it looks very smooth, but with no alteration of running time and soundtrack. I was attempting to also convert the main film from 25fps to 24fps while also adjusting the soundtrack to match the new running time. I've successfully converted the soundtrack. The slowed down soundtrack corrects the pitch/cadence issue (mostly-there's a couple instances of spoken commentary and music that was inserted into the PAL already at the correct pitch and speed, so they are subject to 4% slowdown). I used a variety of techniques and was going to try more. Most seem to put in an extra stutter above and beyond the NTSC judder. I just couldn't find a program (short of avisynth-which I'm going to learn) that would take 25fps mpg and take it to 24fps progressive mpg. They all want to take it to 29.97 interlaced. As an experiment, I converted to a lossless avi format so that I could change that to a true 24fps (23.976) then it would be no problem to encode back to mpg without losing any quality. Part of it was actually an experiment for my personal project. I'm doing a recreation of the Moroder version of Metropolis using the restored DVD PAL version and will be doing a lot of editing and frame manipulation. On the conversion (which looks good), I told it to deinterlace the footage and the one side effect was that a quickly running text crawl doubled. I recreated this text in Premiere, but I couldn't get Premiere to convert directly to mpg, so I was looking at rendering back to a lossless avi then using TMPGenc or Procoder to convert that to mpg. There's a 1000 ways to do this and I was trying one that would give me some experience for my actual editing project. I'm sure I would have come across an easy, efficient method. There's plenty of sites out there with advice. I've conversed with DigitalFreak and he's kindly going to do a convert and I'm going to just plug it into my already completed project just to get it done. I was going to run it past him anyway since he has more experience than I do.

Obviously, the best way to view this is in the original PAL, but hopefully this NTSC version will make it available to more people. So far, I've recreated the original DVD pretty damned closely and I'm quite proud of it. Supposedly, there's programs, like NUMenu4U, that will convert menus, but I've reauthored the whole thing from scratch, using only what Jambe has created. I haven't made any alterations (well, one veeeeerry slight one. See if you can catch it.) and I hope Jambe likes it.
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That is awesome what you have done and is very impressive. I just wanted to let some members know, who may be unaware, if they simply do not care about FPS, audio speed ect and are only being held back by their DVD player not being able to play a PAL disc there are some fast and easy methods to get around that problem.

One is using a free program called vobBlanker.
“Open the VOB files in VOB blanker. Under the title set block (center of program window), you'll see your VOB files. The center column says "video format". My example says NTSC 4:3 720x480. If you right click on the VOB's you want to convert, then select "video attributes", you'll see a new window pop up. In this window, you can change the "standard" from PAL to NTSC and vice versa. You can even change the resolution in this window.

Do the above, then select or make a new output folder. Click on "process" at the bottom and let the conversion begin. You can then use DVD Shrink or any other compression/burning program of your choice to burn your newly converted NTSC or PAL DVD (whichever you chose to convert to).”

Source SadSac from afterdawn

I’ve tried this method and it did work for me. There are several other quick and easy ways to go about this
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/207123

I know you are attempting a proper and official NTSC conversion but for those who simply want to watch this DVD regardless of conversions and what not this could make it very easy for them. That’s not to say you should ditch your efforts or makes your efforts and less meaningful, especially since those quick fixes sometimes do not work for all NTSC DVD players.

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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PLEASE!!

Can anyone help seed this on MySpleen? I started downloading 24 hours ago and at this rate, it's going to be ages until I get the whole thing.

It's my first torrent ever, I am dying to see this!

Same for "Deleted Magic." At this rate it will be 367 hours until I have THAT one :-(

Thanks so much to all!!
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Yeah, I think there might have been easier ways than I did it, but I really wanted to do it for my own education. It was fun recreating Jambe's disc from the ground up.
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Jambe, did you get a chance to see if there was any difference with the version on fanedited?

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Jambe, did you get a chance to see if there was any difference with the version on fanedited?


No, I haven't downloaded it. I hope it's the final version!

Creator of Star Wars Begins, Building Empire and Returning to Jedi
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Mojo_LA, if you want a copy of Building Empire as well, send me a PM.
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Caligula,

Does this mean you don't want me to work on a "slower" NTSC version?

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Do you mean Slower Audio Speed? If yes, then do not stop working on a corrected audio speed NTSC version because I would really want one.

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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I'd definitely like for you to do a speed corrected version. Can't go wrong with your experience. It was driving me nuts to get it just right. I'd like to just finish it and move on.
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Or, if you could help me out on the settings on TMPGenc that would be cool.
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Is that all thats left, just audio speed correction? Cant wait to have this one in my collection!

Venerable member of the “Red Eye” Knights

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Originally posted by: Mojo_LA
PLEASE!!

Can anyone help seed this on MySpleen? I started downloading 24 hours ago and at this rate, it's going to be ages until I get the whole thing.

It's my first torrent ever, I am dying to see this!

Same for "Deleted Magic." At this rate it will be 367 hours until I have THAT one :-(

Thanks so much to all!!



i have started seeding on myspleen for you has it helped?
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Jambe, dont mean to be a pain but is there any scenes/areas of the movie that would be a telltale sign whether the version on rapidshare is the final version or not while someone is watching it? i.e. different scenes, different text

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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I am not able to check for myself at the moment but...

According to Russs15's website, 'Building Empire' final version is as follows:

Size - 3.93Gb
Titles - 11 with 46 Chapters in main title
Extras - ESB Radio Drama, ESB 'Story Of' Album, Mark Hamill 1979 Audio Interview, DVD Covers, Video Extra
Files in VIDEO_TS folder - 50
Audio 1 - English Dolby Digital 2.0 - 192Kbps

The Final version on myspleen is as follows:

Duration: 2hrs 11m (main doco)
DVD: Single Layer 4.7GB
Data Rate: 3509.02 kbits/sec

Now I'm confused!! I will check when I get back home.

So that could well be the unfinished version on Rapidshare. Oh dear. Perhaps they just uploaded the main feature??

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Myabe myspleen just stated it was a single layer disc size and not a dual layer disc size, meaning it could fit on a 4.7GB Single Layer disc but did not use up the entire disk space, just a thought.


I also thought I read in this thread that the Final Version has the "Extras" option whereas the previous versions of the project did not (correct me if I'm wrong)

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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Ok, I can confirm that the final version was as follows:

Size - 3.93Gb
Titles - 11 with 46 Chapters in main title
Extras - ESB Radio Drama, ESB 'Story Of' Album, Mark Hamill 1979 Audio Interview, DVD Covers, Video Extra
Files in VIDEO_TS folder - 50
Audio 1 - English Dolby Digital 2.0 - 192Kbps

AND it is the only version with the Easter Egg (found in the DVD-ROM submenu)

JD

Creator of Star Wars Begins, Building Empire and Returning to Jedi
Follow me on twitter @jamieSWB. Please support me at - http://www.patreon.com/jamiebenning/

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Ok the fanedited.com version has the "Extras" menu option

In that sub menu there is

-Restored Music Sequences
-Building Empire Trailer
-Alternate Crawl
-DVD-ROM Extras
-Notes

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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Originally posted by: Jambe Davdar
Ok, I can confirm that the final version was as follows:

Size - 3.93Gb
Titles - 11 with 46 Chapters in main title
Extras - ESB Radio Drama, ESB 'Story Of' Album, Mark Hamill 1979 Audio Interview, DVD Covers, Video Extra
Files in VIDEO_TS folder - 50
Audio 1 - English Dolby Digital 2.0 - 192Kbps

AND it is the only version with the Easter Egg (found in the DVD-ROM submenu)

JD


how do i create the dvd rom extra(radio drama/interview etc) disk? i have the main feature on one dvd

cheers
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You should have just burned it in its own folder on the DVD along side the VIDEO_TS folder.