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Yeah - there's "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" on Friday, then the 3-hour finale "Daybreak" split over one 1-hour episode and one 2-hour episode.  Then the "Caprica" pilot comes out on DVD on April 21st, then "The Plan" TV-movie sometime after that (which apparently shows the miniseries from the Cylon point of view).  Then "Caprica" in 2010, but no more BSG.

And my guess as to Starbuck: Throughout the episode, she was projecting an image of her father subconsciously.  Well, her father was Daniel, the #7 model whose line was destroyed by Cavil.  Either he was the original model that Ellen hid from Cavil, or he was just another model who disappeared from Starbuck's life when Cavil destroyed the model.  Hence, Starbuck is a Cylon/Human hybrid.

This begins to explain certain things, but doesn't entirely explain others (like how she can apparently resurrect, which I didn't know was possible for hybrids like Hera and, apparently, Starbuck).

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This is all getting very confusing... I didn't even relaise the pianist was a projection...

War does not make one great.

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I'm starting to think that not only Starbuck, but also President Roslin and Baltar are also children of Daniel models, and that is why they are linked to the Cylons.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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PSYCHO_DAYV said:

BUT STARBUCK AND BALTAR HAD...  UH...  WELL, YOU KNOW.

 

Incest has been the big thing this season on BSG.  Baltar would be more like extended family. If I am correct, they would not have had the same copy of Daniel as their father.  I'm thing 3 different Daniel models had 1 child each.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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FanFiltration said:

I'm starting to think that not only Starbuck, but also President Roslin and Baltar are also children of Daniel models, and that is why they are linked to the Cylons.

Hmm, good theory.  That would (sort of) explain how Baltar survived the destruction of Caprica, which is yet to be answered and has been bugging me since the mini-series!

 

 

War does not make one great.

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And why he has always been able to see the six in his head.

Though I don't think Baltar's survival of the nuking of Caprica was ever suppose to be a mystery. A lot of people survived. When the shock wave was heading for Baltar's place, the six told him to get down, I always figured we were to assume that is how he lived.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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That's pretty weak if his surviving a nuclear explosion was simply a case of crouching down.  I always thought that his survival plus being able to see and touch the six in his head meant that there was something special about him.  I've also noticed he's been seeing and taking advice from the six a lot more in recent episodes (she went away for a bit), almost as if the writers are reminding us of this ability before they make some kind of revelation.

War does not make one great.

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Wow, can't believe it is almost over. It hasn't sunk in yet for me. I have been watching this every Saturday afternoon for the past nine weeks, hard to imagine it simply wont be here anymore after this week.

 

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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From people who were at the premiere earlier this week, it apparently answers a LOT of questions people didn't think would be answered given the fact that there's so little time left.

And the extra 11 minutes is nice.  Apparently there'll be an even longer cut on DVD later of the whole 3-hour epsidode (parts 1 and 2), and of one or two other Season 4.5 episodes.

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"  Apparently there'll be an even longer cut on DVD later of the whole 3-hour epsidode (parts 1 and 2), and of one or two other Season 4.5 episodes."

Yup, not surprised. It wouldn't be BSG without an excessive quantity of DVD releases. First there will be an extended finale cut DVD, like the extended Razor DVD, then it will come included on the 4.5 DVD release, like the extended Razor. For BSG fans, patience definitely pays off.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Apparently the 4.5 DVD is coming out in April or May, around the same time as the Caprica pilot.

And then we wait for "The Plan" and the "Caprica" series proper...

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Well, there seems to be a lot of hate for the finale over at IMDb, but what else is new?

My thoughts (spoiler-free!):

- Those commercial breaks were TERRIBLY placed!!!
- The first hour is INTENSE - I can totally see why they haven't had any FX-heavy episodes in a while.  Saving all the cash for this one.
- The second hour, which seems to be the source of the most "upsetness," I thought was perfect and a great send-off to the series.  The final scenes I liked, except for the (Potential spoilers maybe?) dancing robots. (Spoilers done)
- While they didn't explain everything, I'm glad they didn't try.  They really didn't need to anyway, and while I know some people will be upset with the nature of said revelations, I was fine with it.
- All in all, I frakkin' loved it, and thought it was a fantastic end to the series.  I was wholly satisfied and didn't feel cheated at all, unlike some other series finales. *cough*X-Files!*cough*

I say it ranks with the best of Galactica's episodes - in fact, it might be #1 in my book.  I have no (significant) complaints.  Well done, Mr. Moore!  (Nice cameo, btw)

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I loved the finale. It was a great end to a great series. So many answers...and new questions also.

There was one major question left unanswered, but it was given its due (the exchange between Baltar and Cavil) and it was right to leave it unanswered. Providing a definitive answer would've cheapened the mythology the same way introducing midichlorians into Star Wars did.

I found the death of one character towards the end particularly satisfying. I've been waiting all season for that.

A Blu-ray box set of the entire series is supposedly coming in July. I already put all my box sets on ebay and can't wait to make the upgrade. What a huge weeks-long nerdathon that will be when they arrive.

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It was a very good end to the series. The fate of the fleet is just how I wanted it to end all along.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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Don't worry, HotRod - no significant spoilers at all.

If I were you I'd hit up Demonoid or The Pirate Bay and get it rather than wait until Tuesday!

Oh, and I dunno if it's the same for you, but here the finale ran 11 minutes longer (so 2 hrs 11 minutes with commercials, 1 hour 36 minutes without commercials), so if you do watch it on TV or if you DVR, be aware of that.

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Reminded me of Peter Jackson's Return of the King adaption with the "endless" ending. Wasn't half bad.

 

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What a huge weeks-long nerdathon that will be when they arrive.

 

Dude, all four seasons in a week! Most impressive. Staring at any type of glowing box for that long would have me gouging my eyes out. Would be awesome to rewatch the whole series in HD though, without having to wait insane amounts of time for the next ep.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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THIS IS A SPOILER FILLED POST!!!!!! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I finally watched the series finale to the greatest Sci-Fi series since the Next Generation. I speak of course of Battlestar Galactica. I loved this show and was very nervous that they would ruin it all with a weak-ass ending. I hate being right. The first hour was great fun but the endless tripe of the second hour was horrible.

So they find Earth that isnt Earth but we know it IS Earth? Garbage. I was so relieved when they found the nuked Earth, I mean BEYOND relieved. I felt if they actually ever found Earth it would cheapen the whole series, you can plainly see how it did.

Not to mention how 150,000 years later we are all decendants of early humans and BSG personnell kind of invalidates OUR achievements as a species.

Besides do you expect me to believe that no one would find the the idea of living in a cave abhorrent when they are used to the society they where in? I for one would have been beside myself. Who on Earth (pun intended) would want to go back that far? I find that idea to be the most ridiculous floated in this entire series.

Starbuck....man oh man. I had a feeling I wouldnt like the explanation for what the back-from-the-dead Starbuck was. So what do they decide to do? Nothing. Couldn't think of anything pluasible hunh Mr Moore? So she just dissapears? She was never there? Who the hell was that then? lame, lame, LAME!!!! LAME!!! Gods damnit that was WEAK! I sat through that boring ass episode of her trying to figure out musical notes so she had the jump coordinates for the Earth that isnt Earth that IS Earth? If she was never there who the hell was doing all that?

One thing I did like is that they never explained what the figment of thier imaginations Six and Baltar were. But then they turn around and show the two imaginary people talking to one another 150,000 years later? Im sorry but they arent angels, even if they were how can a machine be an angel. Once again LAME.

A small quible this one but....where are all the vipers and raptors? Yes the fleet was remotely piloted into the sun, but everyone had to get to Earth that isnt Earth that IS Earth by shuttle, raptor or Viper soooooo where are they?

Hera? How did she save humanity? What was the signifigance of the opera house? God's plan was to only have her survive? She was like the entire point of the show for the longest time and she means nothing?? What is that garbage?

Battlestar Galactica was one of the crowning achievements of televised Sci-Fi and they completely RUINED it with that finale. That cheap, lame, we have no idea what the hell to write here, dissapointing, unfulfilling, directionless, complete waste of time end. Way to go guys..

 

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Interestingly, while I understand every one of those complaints, I don't have a problem with any of them.

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I think it's VERY clear, by the way, that Head Baltar and Head Six were, in fact, angels, and so was Starbuck, though Starbuck was able to take physical form - much like Six as Shelley Godfrey in "Six Degrees of Separation."

One of the things many have been complaining about is that the explanation for most of the weirdness on the show is simply "It was God."  The Opera House?  Visions sent by God to influence the people who saw the visions, to guide them in the right direction without directly intervening.  "Head" characters, and resurrected Starbuck?  Angels sent by God to guide characters in a similar fashion.

I'm honestly surprised by the fact that this explanation doesn't bother me, as I'm an atheist - but I liked it quite a bit.  It felt right to me, for the show.  And it was an interesting twist on the idea of a deus ex machina ending, which is Latin for "God from the machine" - this time the deus ex machina actually IS God.

And I don't think making us descendants of these characters diminishes our achievements at all.  If they'd kept all their technology (agreed that that was a leap of faith, but a necessary one that was dealt with well) and used that to build a new civilization, THEN it would have cheapened our achievements.

Hera is "Mitochondrial Eve" - the link between Neanderthals and modern humans.  That's her major significance.

There were still Raptors on Earth - they were used to spread out the people (as you could see with Adama/Roslin).  Apparenlty 150,000 years is plenty of time for any trace of them to disappear completely.

--END OF SPOILERS--

I knew as soon as the episode ended that it would be a very polarizing finale, so I can't say that I'm surprised.  It's a lot like the Sopranos finale - many hated it, but I loved it.  Thankfully, none of the scathing reviews or complaints have swayed my opinion of the finale even a little.

 

...I still hated the dancing robots.

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The dancing robots was very lame...I agree.

Im an athiest as well and I find the whole God explanation annoying. Angels? Come ON! Im not watching Highway to heaven, I'm watching science fiction. The more I think about that ending the more it angers me. I loved this show and they pissed all over it.

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WARNING: Spoilage throughout below post!

 

I didn't feel it pissed all over itself. The show has had some pretty weak moments in the past, my feeling are that this last run of episodes, including the finally have been some of the best since season one. I thought a few things were cop outs, and poorly done (dancing robots, eeeh! Now every time I hear All Along the Watchtower that will pop up in my head. I appreciate what they were trying to do there, but it was pulled off poorly and wasn't even really necessary. I think the camera zooming in a news headline about robot soldier or advanced robotics then fading to the credits would have communicated the same thing without coming off as lame.

Whether you are an atheist or not, I don't see any reason why the ending should be so annoying. Even if you feel there is absolutely not the slightest possibility of a God, you might want to remind yourself, its Sci-Fi. There is no reason the existence of God in a science fiction universe should upset you any more than a mystical energy field known as The Force that controls everything should bother you. I am glad Moore had the courage to make such an ending, even in a society filled with plenty of people who may be outright enraged with the idea. I am sure he knew the ending would not please everybody, and would upset or irritate others, yet he still did it.

As for Starbuck, I don't think she was actually an angel, or never there to start with, but I think the idea was that she actually was temporary brought back to life to complete her purpose. She obviously had no idea what the hell she was, or how she had come back. Even when she tells Lee she is leaving, she doesn't seem to know to where or how, just that she has a feeling her purpose is done and that it is time for her to go.

I found the idea that the Colonial's Earth was not the same as our earth to be brilliant. Perfect in fact. It makes perfect sense that if they happened to stumble across a perfectly inhabitable planet that suits there needs and represents exactly what they were looking for when they set out in the very beginning, that they might name it after the object of their search. <- That has got to be the most awkward and poorly constructed sentence I have ever wrote. Forgive me, I am so fricken tired right now I can barely even see my computer screen.

The biggest thing that bugged me was Adama' ending. So is he just going to sit by Laura's grave until he starves to death? They really made it overly dramatic. He still has his son and other people around that care about him, and he is just going to toss the rest of his life away because the woman he loves dies?

Also, I might have missed this, was Starbuck being the "harbinger of doom!" bit ever explained? They made an awful bit deal about it over the last season, I was expecting something to come out of it, either I somehow missed it, didn't understand it when I saw it, or they totally just dropped it and ignored it.

Finally, in regards to Axia's comment about who would want to give up all their modern comforts and go back to a primitive life. I would in a second! I often feel I was born in the wrong century, and it bothers me to see how much of a stranglehold technology has on our lives. I try to live a technologically limited life, but even I find myself going through withdrawals when I go a few weeks without internet, or frustrated when I am just a few days without power. I hate that feeling of being so dependent on something so fickle.

Look how long mankind lived without these things? We poor bastards today would go extinct in just a few years without it all. I hate the film The Village, it was pure crap IMHO, but I really liked the concept behind that movie. I'd love to be part of something like that, long before that movie came out I'd talk about how great it would be to start a small nation on a remote island disconnected from the rest of civilization. But yeah, I am actually with you on this one, when they went on about people "surprisingly" not having a problem with Lee's idea of "starting with a clean slate" I thought, Yeah right!

Perhaps a combination of literally having been brought to the brink of extinction by their own technological creations, and having spent such a long time cooped up on their increasingly dilapidated starships made them more eager to accept such a proposal.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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After 5 years, I still did not get the answer to the one question that has been bugging me from the start of the show.

 

Who left the note for Adama that said, "There are 12 Cylon models"?

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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It has been years since I have seen any of the early episodes, I don't even remember the note.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape