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ChainsawAsh said:

"Other" Cylons?  We know she's the final Cylon already - I don't really get what you mean.

I MEANT THE "EVIL" CYLONS.

Johnny Ringo said:

I dunno, wouldn't that mean Cavil and co. knew all along that she was one of them? - seems a bit odd. IIRC the actress [Kate Vernon] mentions she was in a few episodes this season...

"Now I’m in seven of the last nine, and they are just absolutely brilliant. I can’t tell you how good they are..."

That would imply she is in every episode from this point on.

I am willing to bet Cavil and co. did know all along (or since the point she died) that she was one of the final five, but that they decided to keep it under wraps.

It feels like so long ago since I have seen season three and the first part of season four. So spread out it is hard to keep up with stuff, but if I remember correctly, the rebel models were the much more touchy feeling, emotional, religious models, while Cavil and the others seemed not to think very highly of this character trait in them, right? It has been since pretty close to their air dates that I saw any of the episode prior to this half of season four, so I am a bit foggy. Since the final five was something the religious Cylons were always prattling on about, I can see Cavil going out of his way to hide her from them, just like how he boxed up ol' Xenia for having seen the final five.

WELL, I CALLED THE DEATH OF THOSE TWO CHARACTERS. 

THIS WEEK'S EPISODE SHOULD BE REALLY GOOD.  WE'LL SEE WHERE THE FINAL CYLON RESURRECTS. 

THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE PREVIEWS UP ON SCIFI.COM/BATTLESTAR.

ChainsawAsh said:

That's funny, because I know people who absolutely hate him, to the point where they say he's worse than Jar Jar.

Worse than Jar Jar? That is obviously hyperbole. Everybody knows that there is absolutely nothing worse than Jar Jar. Saying that something is worse than Jar Jar is like saying something is wetter than water, brighter than the sun, or more painful than passing kidney stones.

Ok...so somebody care to explain what, where, who the bloody Cylons are? Because after this weeks episode I haven't a clue who came first!!!

HotRod said:

Ok...so somebody care to explain what, where, who the bloody Cylons are? Because after this weeks episode I haven't a clue who came first!!!

The Egg came first! Or was it the chicken?  I know man, so much info packed into that one episode that I need to see that one again.  Some episodes just spend so much time on minor things, and then we get an episode like this that goes back and bombards us with so much info your head spins.

I went back and re-watched the episode, and Tory gives us the answer to your question at 24:46. "The humans on Cobol made us".

So, it all starts with the Humans on Cobol.  But The humans on Cobol lived with the "gods", so there is still some big questions to how this all started.

Well, at least they kept it simple and easy to follow. Oh man!!!!

I REALLY SHOULD HAD RE-WATCHED THE FIRST HALF OF SEASON 4 BEFORE THE SECOND HALF STARTED AIRING.  DOESN'T WATCHING SEASON 4.5 FEEL LIKE YOU'VE WATCHING A SHOW RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SERIES DESPITE HAVING WATCHED ALL OF THE PREVIOUS SEASONS?  

I held off on watching past the first few episodes of season four up until right before 4.5 started. So it doesn't feel that way to me. Though I can imagine what you mean, considering the annoyingly large gap between 4.0 and 4.5. BSG is the kind of series that would be best watched one episode after another, no gaps.

Too true. My memory is bad on a good day, but trying to remember what happened all those months ago is a really testing time on my old nogging!!

I'm having the same trouble with Lost. With all those time jumps going on, and refrences to old episodes I'm truley 'Lost'. Still, they're both the best things on TV at the momemnt so I'm enjoying them one episode at a time!!

From: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b101019_old-school_creator_in_talks_big-screen.html

Fri., Feb. 20, 2009 3:30 PM PST by Natalie Finn

Even after Battlestar Galactica ends its run on the Sci Fi Channel next month, it seems as if there will still be more than enough related interplanetary entertainment to take us Earthlings well into the next Cylon War.

Though fans had probably been hoping for a more Edward James Olmos-themed addition to the canon, Universal is in talks with Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original 1970s-era ABC incarnation, to bring BSG to the big screen in a whole new-old way.

Per the Hollywood Reporter, the film would have no connection to the present-day series and would relaunch the familiar story in a new medium, but major characters such as Adama and Starbuck will be present and accounted for.

I loved the original show as a kid. Ultimately, I like it better than the re-imagined series. They are both so different though, I have a hard time pitting one against the other. I used to have this awesome 12 inch Cylon figure who used to have fights with my 12 inch Darth Vader figure. Vader was cool, but my Cylon's eye and gun lit up, which made my Vader seem quite pathetic in comparison. Had I not seen some of the old series as a kid, I might not have liked it much. I still would have recommended giving it a shot past the first four episodes though. The pilot alone spans the first three episodes, and those were hardly the best the show had to offer. Once the show gets out of the first story arc and reaches its more serialized storytelling format, you might like it more. Or not.

That said, a new movie based off the old series... well, the term dead horse comes to mind. How many reboot/reimaginings/whatevers do you need? The old series was taken off air because it cost too much to make, then the more budget sensitive but yet overly lame Galactica 1980 took over and really drove the whole thing into the ground.  The continuation of the original series Richard Hatch had in mind would have been cool, but at this point after the 2003 series, it just sounds like a bad idea to me. Especially with Caprica entering the mix.

ChainsawAsh said:

From my understanding of the episode, here's how it worked:

1) Humans on Kobol make skinjob-style Cylons.  My guess here is that the Cylons revolted, which caused the exodus of the 13 tribes (the 13th tribe being the Cylons, who leave for Earth)

2) On Earth, the Cylons figure out how to make themselves as human-like as possible, to the point where they can reproduce.

3) The Cylons on Earth create Centurion-style Cylons, who revolt and, in a simultaneous attack from either side, wipe out everything on the planet, Cylon and Centurion alike.

4) Five Cylons develop (or rediscover) the technology of resurrection, thanks to Tyrol.  As the bombs fall, they resurrect to a ship above Earth.  They set out for the Colonies to warn them not to create Cylons, as it will end in their destruction ("All this has happened before ... ").  Unfortunately, they don't have an FTL drive, so they travel to the Colonies at near-lightspeed.  This causes them to travel at a relativistic speed - i.e., time outside the ship lasts 2,000 years(ish), but it only feels like 5 or so to them onboard.

5) They reach the Colonies, only to discover that humanity is already at war with the Cylons.  They meet with the Centurions and discover that they are experimenting with creating "skinjobs," their only semi-successful experiment being the first Hybrid.  The Five offer to give them resurrection and help them create "skinjobs," if they call off the war.  They agree, and the 40-year armistice happens.

6) The Five help create eight humanoid Cylons.  The Number Ones (Cavil), however, hate that they have been made so "imperfect," and hate that Ellen has become so attached to Number Seven (Daniel).  The Cavils revolt, destroying the genetic material from which the Sevens are made, and destroying the other models (hence, no Number Sevens exist anymore).  They wipe the memories of the Final Five, give them false ones, and implant them among the Colonies.

7) The rest of the armistice years are spent with Cavil making changes to the programming of the rest of the Eight (now Seven) Cylons, blocking them from knowing who the Five are.  In an attempt to stifle a potential revolt, the Cavils plant inhibitor chips in the Centurions.

8) Adama's mission crosses the armistice line, giving the Cavils an excuse to mount the attack on the Colonies.  He does so, manipulating things so that the Five remain alive and can see how awful humans are so that when they finally rejoin the rest of the Cylons, they'll feel remorse for designing them in the way they did.

I watched the most recent episode yesterday and was pretty lost with what the hell was going on, so this breakdown helped.  But is anybody else feeling a bit 'meh' about this?  It's so convoluted, and the whole 'this has happened once so it will happen again' thing is a bit lame I think.  I preferred it when the Cylons were just evil robots who rebelled against their human creators and nuked them.  Oh well.

And a new Galactica movie separate to the 2003 series?  Hmmm... why would they do that?  I mean, if there was no 2003 series then fair enough, but...

That entire Cylon projection thing has got me scared. Please don't tell me this entire story was just a cylon dream! That would truly suck.

I just had to watch that again to relize that the piano player was not real, and that was a projection of her father.