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BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release)

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Okay, I have seen a few posts mentioning this but I wanted to try and start something “official”.

Signed the petition? Given your opinion in the forums? Proteted at the official site? Still not happy? Then put your money where your mouth is and join me in boycotting the SE DVD’s!

There IS something you can do.

Hopefully if there are enough people genuinly interested in this we might be able to start a new petition where people can “pledge” their determination not to buy unless we have, at the very least, a promise that the originals will be released on DVD at some point in the future. We can do it people!

-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
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I agree. The worst I may do is rent them so I can see what the changes are, but I'm not going to buy them. Why should I when I know Lucas is going to jyp us all by releasing another edition a few years down the road?
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You've got my support. I may rent the bonus features disc and that's about it. Seen the SE and I don't care enough about it to see it again even if there are a few more changes. Fuhgeddaboudit.
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
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Ditto.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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BTW did anyone else see that this site was mentioned on "E" the other day? That's what drew my attention to it. If it can get itself on national TV here in Australia you guys must be on the right track...
-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
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Yes, they showed a picture of the site with the voice over saying that "One website has gathered over 50,000 signitures..."
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Now if only they can get Lucas to pay attention.
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
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WOOOO! Not going to buy them either until they put the ORIGINALS in!!! Also talking to a lot of customers at where I work telling them what Lucas is doing and trying to get them to go here!!!
WE MUST DO SOMETHING!

DON'T BUY STAR WARS ON DVD UNLESS IT INCLUDES THE ORIGINAL!!!!!
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That's pretty cool. Until your bosses realize that what you're doing is causing them to lose sales in the future.
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
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Originally posted by: CartoonBeaver
WOOOO! Not going to buy them either until they put the ORIGINALS in!!! Also talking to a lot of customers at where I work telling them what Lucas is doing and trying to get them to go here!!!


I bet you get alot of "who fucking cares aren't ya"
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I bet you get alot of "who fucking cares aren't ya"

Much like I'm sure you get a lot of "you ignorant little shit", right?
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
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I am just saying most of the public doesn't care. This can't be disputed. Most people don't research a product before they buy it.
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thats because most of the people who dont care are the highly obsessed fans who would love to sleep with Lucas if they had a chance.... they dont even care about the movie itself anymore... its just nostalgia to them!!
this isnt even about Star Wars anymore... its about keeping a piece of history and art alive!
i think people are totally misunderstanding this site as a place where fan boys get together and just talk Star Wars... and they prolly think we talk about dumb shit like who would we rather sleep with, leia or that jiggle dancer for Jabba.

Thats not it at all.
I think we are one of the most mature, organized and fun forum on all of the internet. I guess it all depends on what you like but i think that if this petition was never started we would be a lot further off in getting the original trilogy someday...

oh ya and Samatar i will definitly boycott the trilogy...
i may copy it... but no money is going to Lucas that way!!
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I am just saying most of the public doesn't care. This can't be disputed. Most people don't research a product before they buy it.

Yeah, okay, I can give you that. It's unfortunate, but true.
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
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I would rather say the majority of the public isn't even informed, so they don't really have an opinion as of now.
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Yeah, but he is right in that there is still that percentage who, even if informed, won't give a rat's ass. I've met many of them.
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
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Well I'm definitely not going to buy the SE DVDs, and that's my personal choice. Unfortunately, I don't really believe a boycott will either be effective nor send the right message.

I feel rather strongly about this, so I hope some of you won't mind if I indulge myself and repost my feelings on this:
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George Lucas is a very rich and powerful man. He doesn't need Star Wars to make another penny to be well off. He's also made clear that no amount of petitions will make a difference, and frankly 50,000 or even 100,000 signatures is nothing compared to the millions of fans who don't care or even know there is a difference. A boycott is neither practical or realistic. Flooding mailboxes and annoying people with demands or threats will only raise their ire and fundamentally cast ourselves in a negative light, and open to ridicule and dismissal. Certainly if someone made demands or threats to me, I would promptly ignore them.

But we have to do something.

Besides being rich and powerful, George considers himself an artist. "We realize there's a lot of debate out there," says Jim Ward. "But this is not a democracy. We love our fans, but this is about art and filmmaking. [George] has decided that the sole version he wants available is this one."

An artist who was hurt when some of his fans thought his later more personal work was inferior to work he did as younger man in collaboration with others. An artist who is rich and powerful enough, and now arrogant enough to defy his nay-sayers and critics and forge ahead alone.

But he is still an artist, and art benefits everyone. It is the very meaning of culture. George the artist must be reminded that art in all its forms or variations benefits everyone in its continued existence. We don't bury our art history or replace it with something new, we treasure our history. We study it and learn from its natural growth, its changes from ere to era.

My point is that we don't make demands. I'm a patron of the arts, and a patron of George's for many years, as I'm sure everyone else here is. We established a relationship early on by paying for work that we enjoyed. George has moved on now and so he should. But regardless of whether we enjoy his current work or not, the work from the past must not be forgotten. It must be cherished and valued. That is what we must do. Not beg or plead. Never that. We must remind him of the value of of historical art. The original Star Wars trilogy is that art. It has touched so many, myself included. So that is what we should remember.

We have to convince him that there is artistic and creative value in preserving the originals for everyone now, and for future generations to see and learn from. I think that is something that everyone, including George might agree with.

Here is the address provided by Jedi Master:
George Lucas
c/o Lucasfilm Ltd.
P.O. Box 2009
San Rafael, CA 94912
U.S.A.


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A well reasoned entreaty will always be better received than spam, angry threats, or boycotts that will only antagonize Lucas corp, other SW fans, and even the general public who will dismiss us as a bunch of whiny fanboys.

I've already written my letter to Lucas and while I don't expect a response (or it even reaching Lucas) I hope whoever does read it will get the notion that cherishing the originals is something that benefits everyone. And if they receive consistent reminders, the idea may take hold that this is something that everyone will want. After all, it's about our collective art and culture. Once people start believeing that it is a positive idea to preserve the originals along side with all the new SE/UE versions, Lucas may very well change his mind.

It will take time. There is still some venomous resistence out there, and fans who enjoy bickering amongst themselves too much. But if we can spread this 'new' idea and get everyone behind us on loving all of Star Wars New AND OLD, then who knows?

I hope others will join me to convince Lucas et al. May the force be with us



But in any case, I wish you all luck in whatever actions you take in pursuit of our common cause!
The original Star Wars trilogy: Our cultural history deserves to be preserved and should be available to the public like all great works of art!
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For the people planning on not buying them (myself included), please go here and vote 'NO'.


http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/15169299/p1

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Even it the public was informed people would still say who cares. People care about the movies story. Its the same story same movie better effects.
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The problem is - not everything got 'better'. I'm sure people don't want a censored movie like the ANH's special edition is. Censorship is very unpopular.
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I don't think the public considers new creatures, environments, and scenes as censorship. People would consider it like the Lord of the Rings Extended Edtion.
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In the words of Willy Wonka: "WRONG, SIR, WRONG!" The EEs were conceived @ the same time as the Theatrical cuts of LOTR. GL is second-guessing himself with the SEs. How could it be any other way, 20 years after the fact?

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Yes, these are definitely not revisions in the same vein as LOTR. The same goes for EEs or Director's Cuts of movies like The Abyss and The Exorcist. These movies respliced footage that existed since it was filmed but was cut out for the sake of time. SW is doing some reinsertion which I have no problem with like Biggs' scenes. However when he creates whole new scenes, that's when I have a problem. Even the Jabba scene in ANH is bad, in my book, because it is being severely doctored. Yes, the footage is original and cut out which I've said I don't have a problem with. But he changed Jabba (for necessity's sake, obviously) and added in Boba Fett. He should just leave the scene on the cutting room floor. If he can't reinsert the scene using only audio and video remastering to bring it to the a/v quality of the theatrically released film, then it should be left alone. Fuhgeddaboudit.
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
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