Avatar and Politics in general (mild spoilers) — Page 3

xhonzi said:

or 3 hours.  Unless you meant to say that only the first 2 hours are entertaining.  Or perhaps the final 2 hours.

eh

Anyways, here's another article dicussing Avatar and Conservatives.  Very intertesting...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2009/11/usc-professor-creates-alien-language-for-avatar.html?cid=6a00d8341c630a53ef0120a6c873f0970b

 

How was that about conservatives?  Were you looking at this one?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/01/avatar-and-the-color-of-money-red-state-politics-blue-aliens-box-office-green.html

xhonzi said:

Having seen the movie this morning... he's flat out lying.  There are parts of this movie that are so oriented as to specifically evoke political controversy surrounding President George W. Bush and the current conflict in Middle East.

hmm,   I see as much reference to Bush as I did to our handling of the Native Americans.

ferris209 said:

 I disagree, I think the Republican Party has rejected its Conservative foundation. The Republicans tried to run a "liberal light" candidate last election and it failed.

if they run what you believe to be a true Conservative, Obama would have won in even more of a landslide.

ferris209 said:I happen to think that Palin is exactly what America needs right now, a real person who wasn't brought up in a rich family or subjected to years of eilite college instruction.

you're not saying there's something wrong with candidate having a College Education are you.  Imo,  there would be something wrong with a candidate not having a college education.

ferris209 said:

I don't necessarily dislike Avatar just because of the politics, but they do help me to hate it. I do not like that they portray the "villainous" army to be "Marines" who happen to dress, look, and act like our U.S. Marine Corp. Put on top of it that it is pretty much "Dances in Wolves in Space".

they were supposed to be military force how would how have them look?

also the way you put quotes around the word villainous,  do you mean imply that they weren't the villain?

ferris209 said:

 Despite the fact that conservatives are the clear majority in the United States

we had the discussion in "another realm" disagreed with this then, and I disagree with it now.   Back then the statistics you quoted said the Conservatives were not in the majority.  They showed there were more non-conservatives than conservatives.    

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:

 I disagree, I think the Republican Party has rejected its Conservative foundation. The Republicans tried to run a "liberal light" candidate last election and it failed.

if they run what you believe to be a true Conservative, Obama would have won in even more of a landslide.

I disagree, if the past tells us anything, the people of the United States elect true conservatives by landslides.

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:I happen to think that Palin is exactly what America needs right now, a real person who wasn't brought up in a rich family or subjected to years of ------>ELITE<------ college instruction.

you're not saying there's something wrong with candidate having a College Education are you.  Imo,  there would be something wrong with a candidate not having a college education.

 I've done a little work on te sentence to hopefully help you along with that one.

ferris209 said:

I don't necessarily dislike Avatar just because of the politics, but they do help me to hate it. I do not like that they portray the "villainous" army to be "Marines" who happen to dress, look, and act like our U.S. Marine Corp. Put on top of it that it is pretty much "Dances in Wolves in Space".

they were supposed to be military force how would how have them look?

also the way you put quotes around the word villainous,  do you mean imply that they weren't the villain?

I did that as to draw attention that they are portrayed as villans. Besides, I'm not the only one who got idea. The Marines seem to feel the same.

ferris209 said:

 Despite the fact that conservatives are the clear majority in the United States

we had the discussion in "another realm" disagreed with this then, and I disagree with it now.   Back then the statistics you quoted said the Conservatives were not in the majority.  They showed there were more non-conservatives than conservatives.    

Whatever, but to me when 40% of the United States identify themselves as Conservative and just 36% call themselves Moderate and a scant 21% are liberal, then Conservatives are the plurality. I am using majority loosely since they do outnumber the Moderates alone and Liberals alone. All a decent Conservative would have to do is siphon 11% of the Moderate vote in the next election and Obama will hopefully be sent packing. However, by that time, even a half assed Conservative should get 65% of the vote when the people see what a disaster Obama has been.

Nanner Split said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:I happen to think that Palin is exactly what America needs right now, a real person who wasn't brought up in a rich family or subjected to years of ------>ELITE<------ college instruction.

you're not saying there's something wrong with candidate having a College Education are you.  Imo,  there would be something wrong with a candidate not having a college education.

 I've done a little work on te sentence to hopefully help you along with that one.

I've seen that word/phrase thrown around a lot, and I have to ask, what on earth does that even mean? What's the difference between a regular college education and an ELITE!!!!11!1!1one!!1! college education? Is that a separate box you have to check on your application?

Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Pennsylvania, Princeton, and Yale.

It's not that I necessarily have anything against those who go to those schools, but they seem to have an issue with the likes of me. They seem to think that someone who attended a community college is inferior or under their level. Most everyone in Washington graduated from one of the above Colleges. Those folks are also referred to as "Ivy League".

ferris209 said:

Nanner Split said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:I happen to think that Palin is exactly what America needs right now, a real person who wasn't brought up in a rich family or subjected to years of ------><span style="text-decoration: underline;">ELITE</span><------ college instruction.

you're not saying there's something wrong with candidate having a College Education are you. Imo, there would be something wrong with a candidate not having a college education.

I've done a little work on te sentence to hopefully help you along with that one.

I've seen that word/phrase thrown around a lot, and I have to ask, what on earth does that even mean? What's the difference between a regular college education and an ELITE!!!!11!1!1one!!1! college education? Is that a separate box you have to check on your application?

Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Pennsylvania, Princeton, and Yale.

It's not that I necessarily have anything against those who go to those schools, but they seem to have an issue with the likes of me. They seem to think that someone who attended a community college is inferior or under their level. Most everyone in Washington graduated from one of the above Colleges. Those folks are also referred to as "Ivy League".

ferris209 said:

if they run what you believe to be a true Conservative, Obama would have won in even more of a landslide.

I disagree, if the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980">past</a> tells us anything, the people of the United States elect <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan">true conservatives</a> by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980#Results">landslides</a>.

ferris209 said:

I did that as to draw attention that they are portrayed as villans. Besides, <a href="http://marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/01/marine_avatar_010810w/">I'm not the only one who got idea</a>. The Marines seem to feel the same.

ferris209 said:

Whatever, but to me when 40% of the United States identify themselves as Conservative and just 36% call themselves Moderate and a scant 21% are liberal, then Conservatives are the plurality. I am using majority loosely since they do outnumber the Moderates alone and Liberals alone. All a decent Conservative would have to do is siphon 11% of the Moderate vote in the next election and Obama will hopefully be sent packing. However, by that time, even a half assed Conservative should get 65% of the vote when the people see what a disaster Obama has been.

You're wrong, Obama is setting up an easy punt for a decent Conservative in 2012. Granted, you may be correct on 2008, too many problems and too many thought that Bush was a conservative.

One thing I've learned about you in our wonderful debates, you discount history and refuse to learn that it will repeat itself.

I don't discount history at all. History is a favorite subject of mine. Like I said, I don't doubt that a true Conservative could win someday, just not as soon as 2012 and certainly not Palin(too many people have her pegged as a dope and a quitter). In any case, we'll just have to wait and see what happens then .

Warbler said:

I don't discount history at all. History is a favorite subject of mine. Like I said, I don't doubt that a true Conservative could win someday, just not as soon as 2012 and certainly not Palin(too many people have her pegged as a dope and a quitter). In any case, we'll just have to wait and see what happens then .

TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

I don't discount history at all. History is a favorite subject of mine. Like I said, I don't doubt that a true Conservative could win someday, just not as soon as 2012 and certainly not Palin(too many people have her pegged as a dope and a quitter). In any case, we'll just have to wait and see what happens then .

I'm no Palin defender, but can we really definitely say who couldn't be elected in a few years? Did anyone in 2006 think an African American could be elected in 2008?

mark my words:

College football will decide to have playoffs, Lucas will release the fully restored OOT on blu-ray with picture and sound equal to the SE, I will find a girlfriend, pigs will fly, and hell will freeze all before Palin wins the White House.

ferris209 said:

I mean, let's be real, the last of my people to live in Mexico was 245 years ago, but you don't see me calling myself a "Mexican-American". You're either one or the other, a Mexican, an African, or an American. And yes, I have several black friends who totally agree with me and usually shout when they are called "African-American".

Warbler said:

mark my words:

College football will decide to have playoffs, Lucas will release the fully restored OOT on blu-ray with picture and sound equal to the SE, I will find a girlfriend, pigs will fly, and hell will freeze all before Palin wins the White House.

while watching #1 square off against #16 in the first college division 1A playoff game?   very doubtful.  

ferris209 said:

 

Whoa, whoa, that guy is African American?!?! Then how is he President!?!?!

To be serious, I truly hate that title. It is not correct and misleading. I prefer Black American, if anything other than simply an American.

A few years old but interesting anyway:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/28816/black-african-american.aspx

TV's Frink said:

ferris209 said:

 

Whoa, whoa, that guy is African American?!?! Then how is he President!?!?!

To be serious, I truly hate that title. It is not correct and misleading. I prefer Black American, if anything other than simply an American.

A few years old but interesting anyway:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/28816/black-african-american.aspx

 

Interesting indeed!

Warbler said:

I think Avatar is more of an allegory to what happened with the Native Americans. The Na-vi, clearly resembled the Native Americans more than they do Iraqis.

Yeah, but Cameron has basically said Avatar is supposed to have a message about Iraq.

A friend who saw the movie told me that the human guy who becomes Navi becomes the coolest of the Navi. That's an old racist cliche. The cliche basically goes White guy goes in among the non-whites and he's the best among them, because you know, whites are superior. Like I said, racist. Funny that Cameron would do that while trying to be so politically correct.

Here's another column on the message of the film.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/08/opinion/08brooks.html

 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

A very politically motivated story about "Avatar" over at CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html

 

"Other fans have expressed feelings of disgust with the human race"

Yeah, I said the movie is anti-human. It seems to be big with the message that humans are bad and nonexistent aliens are soooo much better. Fuck that.