Attempting to re-create Phantom Menace alien subtitles

Hi mysteryman, here's the direct link to the script (in the link skippy posted):http://pastebin.com/EQuXqWVW

I am intending to match the vertical position for each individual sub eventually, but you could easily have a go at that yourself for your version... you just change the sub_pos setting when calling it. Here's the calling function in its current version:http://pastebin.com/REg9TZvv

I believe it is LD synced but with the first 2393 frames purged like this:

trim(2392,0)

So you should be able to call it like this without needing to change any of the frame numbers (after you've made it 1080p):

trim(0,2391) ++ trim(2392,0).AddSubtitles()

Oops sorry skippy, I guess us droids get distracted from whome we should be addressing when we see each other!

mysterydroid I've sent you a PM. The script is already complete, the just individual vertical placement is left to do - at the moment it's close enough, but if you look at the VCD you will notice that the vertical placement changes slightly between successive subtitles even though one would think it shouldn't!

The drop shadow goes straight down and not to the left as it did in the OT. Although some VCD scenes make it look like it goes to the left others make it clear it goes straight down:

What was your final determination on the font?

That thread Mentions "Franklin Gothic Medium Condensed"

I think FG "Demi Condensed" looks like a closer match.  (It also looks like what RU.08 is using, maybe ??)

edit:

Check that. :)  I can't decide whether it's demi condensed or medium condensed bold.  The "d" looks closer to the later.

Hi schorman it's in the pastebin link I posted:

sub_size=86

sub_width=32

sub_pos=Default(sub_pos,636)

sub_spc=-3

subtitle(subttext,-1,sub_pos,0,subtitlelength-1,"ITC Franklin Gothic Demi",sub_size,$FFFFFF,$FFFFFFFF,8,sub_spc,0,sub_width)

None of the ITC Franklin Gothic fonts I've seen are completely perfect to the variation used by LFL. According to Erik Pancakes:

Erik Pancakes said:

According to Starwars.com back when TPM was in post-production, they used

ITC Franklin Gothic Demi Bold, 69 point with -30 tracking

for Episode I.

...Yeah, they made an actual font announcement. I know.

So according to that information I've used exactly the font they claimed to use, it isn't a "condensed" variant I can confirm that. It's just ITC Frank Goth Demi that was digitised by another company (perhaps LFL themselves).

Note how close my Subtitle looks to the AOTC HDTV:

If you flip between them you can see the subtle differences more clearly (heights of the t's, angles on the S & e letter ends, width of the narrow points) but at a glance they look nearly identical.

This looks like it might be a better match.

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/franklin-gothic/condensed-37102/

Obviously, you might need to play around with the font width.

edit:

Found it free here:

http://ufonts.com/fonts/franklin-gothic-condensed.html

For what it's worth, for V4 of my prequel edits, I used Franklin Gothic Demi Condensed, slightly squished, and a drop shadow directly underneath, tracked to match the AOTC HDTV stream. It isn't exact, but close enough at a glance. 

Hi Schorman, the link you provided is full bold not demi bold and there isn't a demi bold Adobe one on the site.

But yes the Adobe font does look more accurate.

I know it's not Demi, but it looks like a closer match.

I did plug in the full-bold condensed adobe one into my subtitle script and it was way too bold.

I did this in aegisub quickly, using the font I linked above.  No change in font width or height was necessary.  Kerning issues on the word "Your" aside, I'd say it's as close to a perfect match as you could get.

That looks great, but for some reason this is how it looks in Avisynth:

Any ideas?

That's really strange.  I'm seeing the same result in AVIsynth.  It works fine in every other program I've tried (Word, Photoshop, Aegisub).  Would it be possible to apply them as an .ass file in avisynth?

Sure. There's 2 filters for that that I know of (TextSub and AssRender).