I have an idea, I don’t know if it would work in practice. I think it would be interesting to start the story with some of the clone wars scenes shown in the series.
I say this because Ahsoka, in theory, starts in the series with a conflict, right? However, the public only discovers that she is conflicted in episode 5. Personally, I think that focusing on the character’s development is more interesting than the quest to prevent Thrawn from returning. This is Ahsoka’s series, after all. Showing her conflict right away would serve to introduce the character in a more appropriate way than fighting robots in a temple, serving to tell her personal journey since the beginning of the story.
That said, I think it would be interesting to show some of these scenes as a dream of Ahsoka, and show her waking up from this dream in that scene with Hyuang on the ship, and only after that begin the plot of Ezra/Thrawn’s search. Later on, when Baylan knocks her into the water, the focus would be on the world between worlds sequence, where she would get the motivation to move forward, leaving the conflict behind.
Hmm, that sounds interesting.
Spinning that thought further, maybe you can use this dream sequence to infer that this fear of her what her legacy will be is the reason for her falling out with Sabine.
The question is, how can we convey that?
“Vader! Hologram, now!”
I am not sure of the feasibility, but would it be possible to deepfake or use some other editing trick to have Lars Mikkelson’s live action Thrawn to appear very physically fit as he was in Rebels?
Thrawn with a “dad body” is really out of character for him. Disney should have used a tall and muscular man with Lars’s voice similar to OT Vader was portrayed.
What do you mean dad bod? He looked fine.
I like you, let us burn things together.
Maybe it’s just because I really like episode 2, but I wonder if it’d be possible to just mostly cut episode 1 out of the show, and tighten up episode 2 for it to take up less screen time. What if instead of opening on the breakout sequence we open on Sabine unlocking the map? You could establish in the crawl that Ahsoka found a map to Thrawn and reconnected with Sabine for help opening it, and also establish that 2 former Jedi freed Morgan Elsbeth and are after them. Then you could open with Sabine opening the map and getting attacked by Shin and that could be the opening scene of the movie. Then you could make various cuts to episode 2 in an attempt to have it take up less screen time. That’d help to make the opening feel much faster-paced.
Huyang Saves Ahsoka:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16i210vISm-52HAErEJ3kfUyQcrJi8GDH/view
What software did you use to create Huyang’s dialogue?
“Vader! Hologram, now!”
I used ElevenLabs Voice Cloning. I only used one 5 second reference clip of Huyang dialogue to get that quality. It’s nowhere near perfect, but if someone spend time training the A.I., I think you could get a near perfect Huyang clone. I also pitched down a second track of the same dialogue and lower and raised the volume in certain spots to make it have the wobbly robot sound since the cloned voice didn’t really sound robot enough for me.
The Ahsoka lines such as “Thanks.” and “Where’s Sabine?” are also ElevenLabs Cloned lines.
So I thought I’d share a few ideas I’ve thought in my head for editing Ahsoka and fixing some lingering questions:
Someone made a Mustafar roto in the wbw scene
https://youtu.be/sx57c_-NvtU
Peace is a lie
There is only passion…
I used ElevenLabs Voice Cloning. I only used one 5 second reference clip of Huyang dialogue to get that quality. It’s nowhere near perfect, but if someone spend time training the A.I., I think you could get a near perfect Huyang clone. I also pitched down a second track of the same dialogue and lower and raised the volume in certain spots to make it have the wobbly robot sound since the cloned voice didn’t really sound robot enough for me.
The Ahsoka lines such as “Thanks.” and “Where’s Sabine?” are also ElevenLabs Cloned lines.
Thanks for the quick reply.
I am working on the fake-map-idea and there is no way that this works without new voice lines.
That would give a justifiable reason why Ahsoka seeks out Sabine, because if the map is merely an ornate replica, opposed to an encoded device, then the engravings on the ball are the only lead they have and it makes sense to seek out an art historian. In this case, it feels natural that Hera and Ahsoka think of Sabine because she is probably the most knowledgeable person on that field that they know.
Furthermore, it allows us to remove Shin‘s retrieval of the map and thus get to Seatos faster.
Here is the basic outline that I have in mind.
-Morgan is freed
-Ahsoka finds the map (optional)
-Hera briefs Ahsoka; we learn from Huyang that the map is a fake and that it holds no information beyond the imprinted graphics; Hera suggest to seek out Sabine
-Sabine introduction
-Ahsoka arrives at Lothal;
After the small talk about Ahsoka‘s home, Sabine remarks that the witches were nomadic too and points to a symbol on the map. Then Huyang appears to speak Ahsoka about his lightsaber analysis. Sabine asks Huyang about intergalactic travel and he recites his line about hyperspace routes following the migration paths of star whales.
Add the hologram of the two galaxies (without the pathway) to the empty cargo hold after Ahsoka returns from her conversation with Huyang.
-Sabine returns home and gears up
-Morgan opens the map on Seatos
-Ahsoka picks up Sabine at the fresco and Huyang reports that his analysis of the aforementioned migration paths yielded only one world connected with the nightsisters: Seatos.
Once I am back home I will try to train a voice and get a few samples out.
“Vader! Hologram, now!”
So I thought I’d share a few ideas I’ve thought in my head for editing Ahsoka and fixing some lingering questions:
- So for Huyang, a big question for me is why he’s with Ahsoka rather than Luke: So an idea I liked was that he’s sticking with Ahsoka because she’s the last from before the Empire and he feels a connection to the generation of padawans he’s taught, Ahsoka being the last one left. I’m not sure where a dialogue an AI created voice line could fit but it would be good explanation.
- Another thing with Huyang voice AI ideas is to try and see if it’s possible to move his conversation to Ezra about Sabine’s family fate on Mandalore to much earlier episodes to get the audience to understand why she’s willing to anything to get Ezra back.
- Another AI voice/ voice over idea could be used on Morrok: his dialogue could explain he’s magik created from the Great Mothers in Peridia to give him a more solid explanation rather than just not explaining him.
- I’d also fix the remnant troopers making them feel more human by adding voice lines for them & conversations, making them more competent shots too.
- For story beats I’d also make sure for Sabine force moment- I’d have Ezra do the full jump no help and Sabine (who doesn’t use the force in this edit) would have to make a choice to go save Ahsoka or go with Ezra.
- Oh and I’d also tweak Huyang’s line about Sabine being worse than a youngling in terms of force potential, maybe a line emphasising her untapped potential might make the finale land moments better.
Some great ideas if they can be done well. I especially like ideas 2 and 5. Both Ezra and Ahsoka seemed totally fine with Sabine’s reckless and irresponsible behavior. I was dumbstruck by the lack of accountability! Your idea might help to emphasize her reasons for doing what she did.
Also, I have no issue with Sabine having some Force ability, i.e., being a skilled Mandalorian warrior first and a novice Force user second, but her pushing Ezra like that was just silly and unearned. Huyang was right in pointing out her inadequacy. (When the Force can do anything, and anyone can use it, it makes the most interesting thing in Star Wars completely meaningless.)
I also want to add that the zombie noises that the Night Troopers make is ridiculous—far more laughable than creepy. In fact, the Night Troopers coming back to light was pointless because they didn’t actually pose a threat.
The only great episode of this series was EP 4, for which I give the director of this episode, Peter Ramsey, the credit. EP 5 was a fan favorite for giving up some great Hayden Christiansen scenes, but without the member berries, it’s ‘good’ at best. EP 6 was also good, but the remaining episodes ranged from bad to embarrassingly bad. I am hopeful that an fanedit of this series won’t be too utilitarian in its approach, i.e., keeping only what’s absolutely necessary and cutting even the very good stuff. Rather, I’m hoping it is more liberal in cutting the bad, and more conservative in cutting the good.
So I thought I’d share a few ideas I’ve thought in my head for editing Ahsoka and fixing some lingering questions:
- So for Huyang, a big question for me is why he’s with Ahsoka rather than Luke: So an idea I liked was that he’s sticking with Ahsoka because she’s the last from before the Empire and he feels a connection to the generation of padawans he’s taught, Ahsoka being the last one left. I’m not sure where a dialogue an AI created voice line could fit but it would be good explanation.
- Another thing with Huyang voice AI ideas is to try and see if it’s possible to move his conversation to Ezra about Sabine’s family fate on Mandalore to much earlier episodes to get the audience to understand why she’s willing to anything to get Ezra back.
- Another AI voice/ voice over idea could be used on Morrok: his dialogue could explain he’s magik created from the Great Mothers in Peridia to give him a more solid explanation rather than just not explaining him.
- I’d also fix the remnant troopers making them feel more human by adding voice lines for them & conversations, making them more competent shots too.
- For story beats I’d also make sure for Sabine force moment- I’d have Ezra do the full jump no help and Sabine (who doesn’t use the force in this edit) would have to make a choice to go save Ahsoka or go with Ezra.
- Oh and I’d also tweak Huyang’s line about Sabine being worse than a youngling in terms of force potential, maybe a line emphasising her untapped potential might make the finale land moments better.
Some great ideas if they can be done well. I especially like ideas 2 and 5. Both Ezra and Ahsoka seemed totally fine with Sabine’s reckless and irresponsible behavior. I was dumbstruck by the lack of accountability! Your idea might help to emphasize her reasons for doing what she did.
Also, I have no issue with Sabine having some Force ability, i.e., being a skilled Mandalorian warrior first and a novice Force user second, but her pushing Ezra like that was just silly and unearned. Huyang was right in pointing out her inadequacy. (When the Force can do anything, and anyone can use it, it makes the most interesting thing in Star Wars completely meaningless.)
I also want to add that the zombie noises that the Night Troopers make is ridiculous—far more laughable than creepy. In fact, the Night Troopers coming back to light was pointless because they didn’t actually pose a threat.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
I like you, let us burn things together.
So I thought I’d share a few ideas I’ve thought in my head for editing Ahsoka and fixing some lingering questions:
- So for Huyang, a big question for me is why he’s with Ahsoka rather than Luke: So an idea I liked was that he’s sticking with Ahsoka because she’s the last from before the Empire and he feels a connection to the generation of padawans he’s taught, Ahsoka being the last one left. I’m not sure where a dialogue an AI created voice line could fit but it would be good explanation.
- Another thing with Huyang voice AI ideas is to try and see if it’s possible to move his conversation to Ezra about Sabine’s family fate on Mandalore to much earlier episodes to get the audience to understand why she’s willing to anything to get Ezra back.
- Another AI voice/ voice over idea could be used on Morrok: his dialogue could explain he’s magik created from the Great Mothers in Peridia to give him a more solid explanation rather than just not explaining him.
- I’d also fix the remnant troopers making them feel more human by adding voice lines for them & conversations, making them more competent shots too.
- For story beats I’d also make sure for Sabine force moment- I’d have Ezra do the full jump no help and Sabine (who doesn’t use the force in this edit) would have to make a choice to go save Ahsoka or go with Ezra.
- Oh and I’d also tweak Huyang’s line about Sabine being worse than a youngling in terms of force potential, maybe a line emphasising her untapped potential might make the finale land moments better.
Some great ideas if they can be done well. I especially like ideas 2 and 5. Both Ezra and Ahsoka seemed totally fine with Sabine’s reckless and irresponsible behavior. I was dumbstruck by the lack of accountability! Your idea might help to emphasize her reasons for doing what she did.
Also, I have no issue with Sabine having some Force ability, i.e., being a skilled Mandalorian warrior first and a novice Force user second, but her pushing Ezra like that was just silly and unearned. Huyang was right in pointing out her inadequacy. (When the Force can do anything, and anyone can use it, it makes the most interesting thing in Star Wars completely meaningless.)
I also want to add that the zombie noises that the Night Troopers make is ridiculous—far more laughable than creepy. In fact, the Night Troopers coming back to light was pointless because they didn’t actually pose a threat.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
And expanded in ESB. ‘Do, or do not. There is no try’. Sabine realises she can and stops trying and all the training she’s undergone now works because she now can ‘do’ rather than ‘do not’.
For some reason fans in general have a video game idea of the Force that isn’t based on what the films or TCW presents.
If Sabine has to have the force, they shouldn’t have made her terrible at it in the beginning. The show spend it’s first few episodes basically telling you she’s terrible via Huyang. Instead she should have been able to use it to a small extent from the start, which could have easily been hand-waved away as something she learned how to do from her previous training with Ahsoka.
The way the show did it made Sabine’s force abilities feel unearned. Because she goes from not being able to move a cup just a few episodes earlier, to being able to push Ezra 30 feet across the sky. She even barely was able to grab her lightsaber in the very same episode, it’s just way to big of jump in power scaling. It could have worked if there was a “Oh I can do this.” moment in the show to justify her new “outlook” on the force, but there wasn’t.
I think the best way to correct this would be removing all of the earlier mentions and scenes of her being unable or terrible at using the force. Have her first time using the force be against her second fight with Shin, where she slightly pushes her. Showing the audience that she knows how to use it to some extent, instead of keeping the cup scene, where her face in that scene almost makes it look like she’s never seen the force or knows what it is lol.
If Sabine has to have the force, they shouldn’t have made her terrible at it in the beginning. The show spend it’s first few episodes basically telling you she’s terrible via Huyang. Instead she should have been able to use it to a small extent from the start, which could have easily been hand-waved away as something she learned how to do from her previous training with Ahsoka.
But that’s exactly what it’s about and why adults have always made terrible Jedi students since ESB. She’s spent her life not using the Force so will be terrible at it because she’s got 20 years of mindset to undo. Then, when it matters the most it clicks for her.
She’s not lifting an X-Wing, she’s accelerating a 70 odd kilo human who’s already magically levitating themselves, the extra dozen or so metres into a slowly moving wide target. That is in no way not possible for somebody who has probably been taught the theory of levitating even if she couldn’t do it herself until then.
Maybe they could have focused on her PoV for all this a bit more, but, at the end of the day, it’s not Sabine’s story.
It’s unclear who can use the Force in the original trilogy. It definitely appears like it’s only certain people, because Luke can be a Jedi since his father was (in the original Star Wars.) Then in ROTJ he talks about the Force being strong in his family, which indicates it can be less strong for other people.
Also keep in mind that we do know that the Force requires training and building up over time. Yoda establishes the principle of do or do not and the power of belief, but he also gives Luke training at the same time. He doesn’t just sit him down in the hut and make him try to believe really hard. As of ESB, Luke can just barely move his lightsaber out of the ice or levitate rocks, because he’s had limited training.
You could make the case that sometimes you’re able to go above and beyond with less training when the circumstances are right, like Luke making the shot on the Death Star. But somehow that feels different from Sabine doing a premeditated force lift thing.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.
Double post
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.
Luke went from struggling with a training droid to guiding a proton torpedo into an exhaust port within one day. Sabine went from sensing Ahsoka’s presence to pushing a guy a few feet within a few days.
I like you, let us burn things together.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.
Luke went from struggling with a training droid to guiding a proton torpedo into an exhaust port within one day. Sabine went from sensing Ahsoka’s presence to pushing a guy a few feet within a few days.
Luke is naturally strong with the Force. Sabine isn’t. Nor does she seem to resonate strongly with the ways of the Jedi.
You don’t see a problem, from a narrative point of view, with the idea that anybody can become a powerful Force user, despite having no aptitude for it, and putting in minimal effort?
…I suppose that’s an opinion one could hold.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.
Luke went from struggling with a training droid to guiding a proton torpedo into an exhaust port within one day. Sabine went from sensing Ahsoka’s presence to pushing a guy a few feet within a few days.
Luke is naturally strong with the Force. Sabine isn’t. Nor does she seem to resonate strongly with the ways of the Jedi.
You don’t see a problem, from a narrative point of view, with the idea that anybody can become a powerful Force user, despite having no aptitude for it, and putting in minimal effort?
…I suppose that’s an opinion one could hold.
Yes?
“The Force is an energy field that binds all living things. It surrounds us, and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”
“The Force resides in all living things. But you have to be open to it.”
Practically every mentor character in Star Wars screams that anyone can use the Force, so long as they are open to it. Sabine’s arc is about opening up. The implication that one needs to be naturally strong in order to excel in the Force is antithetical to what Star Wars preaches.
I like you, let us burn things together.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.
Luke went from struggling with a training droid to guiding a proton torpedo into an exhaust port within one day. Sabine went from sensing Ahsoka’s presence to pushing a guy a few feet within a few days.
Luke is naturally strong with the Force. Sabine isn’t. Nor does she seem to resonate strongly with the ways of the Jedi.
You don’t see a problem, from a narrative point of view, with the idea that anybody can become a powerful Force user, despite having no aptitude for it, and putting in minimal effort?
…I suppose that’s an opinion one could hold.
Yes?
“The Force is an energy field that binds all living things. It surrounds us, and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”
“The Force resides in all living things. But you have to be open to it.”
Practically every mentor character in Star Wars screams that anyone can use the Force, so long as they are open to it. Sabine’s arc is about opening up. The implication that one needs to be naturally strong in order to excel in the Force is antithetical to what Star Wars preaches.
Qui-Gon Jinn wants to have a talk with you about midi-chlorians.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.
Luke went from struggling with a training droid to guiding a proton torpedo into an exhaust port within one day. Sabine went from sensing Ahsoka’s presence to pushing a guy a few feet within a few days.
Luke is naturally strong with the Force. Sabine isn’t. Nor does she seem to resonate strongly with the ways of the Jedi.
You don’t see a problem, from a narrative point of view, with the idea that anybody can become a powerful Force user, despite having no aptitude for it, and putting in minimal effort?
…I suppose that’s an opinion one could hold.
Yes?
“The Force is an energy field that binds all living things. It surrounds us, and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”
“The Force resides in all living things. But you have to be open to it.”
Practically every mentor character in Star Wars screams that anyone can use the Force, so long as they are open to it. Sabine’s arc is about opening up. The implication that one needs to be naturally strong in order to excel in the Force is antithetical to what Star Wars preaches.
Qui-Gon Jinn wants to have a talk with you about midi-chlorians.
Ahsoka addresses this:
“Talent is a factor”
“Vader! Hologram, now!”
I was joking XD. This is the kind of discussion that never ends, because both sides always presents valid points.
If Sabine has to have the force, they shouldn’t have made her terrible at it in the beginning. The show spend it’s first few episodes basically telling you she’s terrible via Huyang. Instead she should have been able to use it to a small extent from the start, which could have easily been hand-waved away as something she learned how to do from her previous training with Ahsoka.
But that’s exactly what it’s about and why adults have always made terrible Jedi students since ESB. She’s spent her life not using the Force so will be terrible at it because she’s got 20 years of mindset to undo. Then, when it matters the most it clicks for her.
She’s not lifting an X-Wing, she’s accelerating a 70 odd kilo human who’s already magically levitating themselves, the extra dozen or so metres into a slowly moving wide target. That is in no way not possible for somebody who has probably been taught the theory of levitating even if she couldn’t do it herself until then.Maybe they could have focused on her PoV for all this a bit more, but, at the end of the day, it’s not Sabine’s story.
It’s not just that she’s an adult. Luke had extreme potential in the Force and it still took him time to fully unlock it. The problem is Sabine’s prior training is all offscreen, with nothing to back it up from Rebels (and no, training with the Darksaber does not count). And even still, they still bumrush her from barely being able to pull a saber to throwing Ezra through the air in the span of a few minutes. It took Luke at least days of training to get to where he is by the end of Empire and he’s still not great at it. And he has much more potential than her.
They needed to sell it much better than they did. Sabine honestly shouldn’t have unlocked anything this season tbh. It ends in a failure with Thrawn escaping anyway. Let the audience feel the amount of time and effort she had to put into it rather than one single training sequence and some offhand remarks to OFFSCREEN training. The way they presented it, I just don’t buy it.