RicOlie_2 said:
Sorry, my goal is not to insult people here, though it's hardly surprising when they are insulted, but please realize that the point is not to equate one with the other, as I believe pedophilia is far worse, but to show that it is headed that way, and how can you be sure adult/child sex won't be acceptable to society in the future if the child gives consent? If it is going that way with pedophilia, then perhaps we are being to accepting of homosexual sex and marriage.
Again, pedophilia is worse, so I'm not saying homosexuality is just as bad, so that is not my point.
You are putting the two on the same spectrum though.
This is the problem with Religion as opposed to personal belief. It's fenced in by dogma (dog being god in reverse should give you some pause for thought).
The only reason why having sex with animals, infants and people with disabilities which make them mentally vulnerable is wrong is informed consent. You have to speak giraffe to understand if if a giraffe really wants to and if they understand what's being offered and what the consequences are.
If they don't it is almost certainly rape but you would need to have someone who understood giraffe to be certain.
We assume children (especially very young children) don't understand the meaning or dangers of sexual activity. While we can't be certain that mentally capable adults of the same species are fully aware of the ramifications of rubbing their genitals, we have to draw a line somewhere.
A set age where informed consent is assumed is the logical place to draw it. That line can be moved as evidence is brought to lawmakers.
It's not set in stone based on a gut feeling that someone in the bronze age had about what an invisible being had in mind.
Stealing cars is illegal because if everyone did it society would collapse into violent anarchy which may seem fun looking from the outside (popular computer games are built on this concept) but wouldn't be if you actually lived through it. It's not even remotely the same thing as consensual manipulation of genitals for private pleasure and to argue it is is frankly nutty.
The only reason incestuous sex is wrong between consenting adults is because of the high potential for creating genetically deformed babies that will suffer.
The only reason why it's wrong for a person in a position of authority over someone else entering into a sexual relationship with that person is because there is no way of knowing for sure if that authority deformed the informed consent between two people.
It's all practical stuff that makes logical and ethical sense.
It's made messy by the disgust response which is a variable animal biological mechanism for avoiding disease and promoting reproduction.
I see no practical problem with informed adult incest between people who can't have babies but I understand the social structures against such a move.
I don't see why people with a high probability of producing a suffering child would continue down the path of producing children but I understand the social structures supporting such a move.
But at no point would I introduce an invisible tyrant to spy on my private life and equate it to child rape even remotely.
Adults making informed choices to rub bits of their bodies together for pleasure is astonishingly trivial and I find it depressing to have to comment on these sorts of crazy thoughts possessing the minds of otherwise funny and intelligent people on here.
I can't however let someone express wonky beliefs that get in the way of my life under my nose without countering them with at the very least comment.
The idea of moral and spiritual contamination by people who do things a bit differently leads to inevitable Godwinism.
What is sin?
Sin is to miss the mark. To sway away from the directed course.
If you set a different course you aren't in sin by default. You have to be a Roman Catholic to commit a Roman Catholic sin (however the church assumes all people to be subject to their God).
The only reason why a Catholic priest having sex with anyone or thing else is considered wrong is because the long dead Justinian I says the Bible says God says they can't get married.
Who elected this God person anyway?
The position of most Abrahamic religions is that sex is for one thing and one thing only and that is to create children. Theologically it has it's basis in the Mesopotamian myth of the Garden of Eden. Adam and his third wife Eve steals the power of reproduction from God after listening to a talking peni...snake.
Therefore the magic wish power must only be used in a sanctified way.
Politically if you can control who has sex by issuing a sex license and periodically allow massacres of people who don't have the same license you can rake in a lot of cash.
The Roman Catholics don't do this much anymore but give them or the Scientologists et al enough inches and they will make a rule of it. Dogma needs no recourse to reason, especially when there is money to be made.
Historically the Catholic Church has been a den of every kind of nasty behavior (torture, murder, political assassination) but even recently.
We have too many people on the Earth as it is so this obsession with biological reproduction that most humans seem to have isn't currently practical.
Make spaceships and then you can make babies left right and centre.
