TV's Frink said:
As always when this subject comes up, I present...
Thank you, I was looking for this.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Celebacy is unnatural and a big cause of the problem IMO.
Pedophilia is biological, not psychological. Priests with pedophilic desires had those desires from the beginning, and they would have gone on to become pedophiles even if they hadn't joined the clergy.
RicOlie_2 said:
how can you be sure adult/child sex won't be acceptable to society in the future if the child gives consent?
I can't even respond to this, it's so insane.
DuracellEnergizer said:
Ryan McAvoy said:
Celebacy is unnatural and a big cause of the problem IMO.
Pedophilia is biological, not psychological.
Proof, please.
Leonardo said:
TV's Frink said:
As always when this subject comes up, I present...
Thank you, I was looking for this.
I always do a search for "Mr. Show Overcome."
TV's Frink said:
As always when this subject comes up, I present...
Exactly. You can count on satire to get to the heart of the issue. Also this famous sketch from 1980...
NTNON: Are You A Gay Christian?
But seriously, people are born gay, it's just a fact. If God exists he designed people to enjoy sex and he also made a percentage of us gay on purpose. So why did he send Jesus' down to spread a message of loving everyone if he really meant "Everyone, except those guys".
Also, if every catholic honestly does everything they can, to try and get pregnant everytime they have sex... then fair enough on the "Sex is for procreation which is why I think Homosexuality is wrong" logic. But I don't think that's the case, I just think it's a handy excuse for views that are just plain wrong.
But everyone's entitled to their opinions and beliefs, I just wish that these opinions were based on experience and logic rather than something they cherry picked out of an old book.
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Leonardo said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Regarding homosexuality, it appears to be psychological. since homosexuals can be reoriented to be straight and many have been. It can work in the reverse too. Apparently the statistics are quite high for men who join the navy becoming gay because their "sexual orientation," if you want to call it that, changes when they are away from contact with the opposite sex for so long. Because of that, Catholics don't recognize it as true and good sexuality.
Here are a few articles on the subject, for informational purposes.
Further Increase of Sexual Tolerance
Those are links to a christian site. Whatever they wanna say, they have their right, but they have no scientific authority. You cannot "reorient" somebody, just like you cannot change the colour of your eyes. Sure, you can use coloured contact lenses. Do you see my point?
Gay men have lived double lives for years, either because they could not come out of the closet, or because they felt fine the way they were, or for whatever reason. Some of them would get married (the so called "beard"). But a gay man married to a woman does not a heterosexual make.
It seems to work, but I don't really know enough about it to say so conclusively. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/07/30/sexual-reorientation-therapy-not-unethical-column/2601159/
TV's Frink said:
Leonardo said:
TV's Frink said:
As always when this subject comes up, I present...
Thank you, I was looking for this.
I always do a search for "Mr. Show Overcome."
It's in my favourites now. As an aside, we always hear of child-touchers breaking their celibacy vow, but I don't think I've ever once heard somebody scream in outrage at priests having sexual relations with women. Is that supposed to be okay somehow? Is it just a hush hush, don't speak about it, wink wink nudge nudge kinda thing?
Because there are, I assure you, priests that have sex with women, and my guess is that there are a LOT of them. I don't wanna go offtopic or hijack the catholic's thread, but please post if you've heard of them, if you knew or know of an example. Here's a little story.
My mom and I were standing, once, in front of the main church of the city she grew up in, and we had just finished talking to the priest, which she's known since when she was a girl. All of a sudden a woman with a couple of shopping bags hops out of a car, my mom points at her and says to me:
"See that woman? That's the priest's wife"
Apparently these two people have been in a relationship for a very long time.
TV's Frink said:
RicOlie_2 said:
how can you be sure adult/child sex won't be acceptable to society in the future if the child gives consent?
I can't even respond to this, it's so insane.
That is your opinion. I don't think society will let it get that far, but I think it could happen. This is a touchy subject and a big reason Catholics are criticized and ridiculed. I don't wish to discuss it further because I likely won't make you understand my POV and you aren't going to change my mind by arguing with me.
To prevent derailment of this thread, especially since I will be gone and unable to moderate for a few hours, please restrict yourself to questions and continue your conversations via PMs or wrap them up.
Thank you, I just want to keep on topic here and this thread is for informative purposes, not debating.
Homosexuality was a perfectly normal thing in ancient cultures like The Romans and The Greeks. Plus I'd imagine it was perfectly normal before those Empires arose. It's only in the post-Roman Christian era that being gay has even been an issue.
Edit: Posted before seeing above post ^. End of debate.
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How does your interest in Star Wars tie into your faith, would you believe in extraterrestrial life?
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Yes, I feel that the political/social views that are invading this thread are not appropriate. Obviously, many religious people oppose gay marriage. Obviously the reasons why have been addressed before. To say it's wrong and finding an analogy with some other wrong this is not equating it to that other thing.
I was raised by a Roman Catholic family, but I've been a Strong Agnostic for quite a long time now.
How do you feel about the common practice of Roman Catholic churches taking collections?
It has always seemed a bit corrupt to me to take time away from mass to walk around and request donations from people. My former church, St. Robert Bellarmine, managed to raise $2 million from collections alone while I was there.
Plus, doesn't God have enough money?
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RicOlie_2 said:
Again, pedophilia is worse, so I'm not saying homosexuality is just as bad, so that is not my point.
How do you feel about Ephebophilia?
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But running a Church costs money
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Jaitea said:
But running a Church costs money
J
The $2 million wasn't used to run the church. It was used to build a brand new one.
Churches have many other means of making money; especially Roman Catholic ones.
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darth_ender said:
Yes, I feel that the political/social views that are invading this thread are not appropriate. Obviously, many religious people oppose gay marriage. Obviously the reasons why have been addressed before. To say it's wrong and finding an analogy with some other wrong this is not equating it to that other thing.
It's a terrible analogy. Apples and bricks are both red, do you think people will eat bricks some day?
TV's Frink said:
Apples and bricks are both red, do you think people will eat bricks some day?
Yes.
They already do.
People seem to be constantly shitting them: http://shitbrix.com/
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Those people are clearly in need of reorientation.
Jaitea said:
But running a Church costs money
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Yes, all that bling must be pricey...
Joking aside. I always thought all of that ^ was very much at odds with the beliefs of this man...
People need a place to pray out of the rain and why shouldn't it be beautiful. Some of the most beautiful buildings I've seen and visited have been Churches, Mosques and Synagogues and I used to live oposite this stunning sandstone Sikh temple...
(^ View from my front door)
In fact I kinda get sad when I go past an ugly modern church. Glorifying God through architecture is natural but building vast golden palaces in his name seems crazy. I can only imagine Jesus standing before the Vatican with a look of horror on his face.
Is this a problem for people within the church?
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TV's Frink said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Ryan McAvoy said:
Celebacy is unnatural and a big cause of the problem IMO.
Pedophilia is biological, not psychological.
Proof, please.
I may have overstated the nature-over-nurture aspect of pedophilia, but there's still evidence that there's a biological component to the illness.
Wikipedia has a pretty thorough article going over the various aspects of pedophilia.
TV's Frink said:
Also, if you condemn homosexual acts, you are condemning homosexuals.
there is a BIG difference between condemning an act that someone does and condemning the person themselves. I am sure sure you have heard the saying before
"hate the sin, not the sinner"
As to whether homosexuals can be changed or not or how they get that way, I'll leave to experts.
RicOlie_2 said:
how can you be sure adult/child sex won't be acceptable to society in the future if the child gives consent?
a child can not give consent, a child's mind is not fully developed and therefore doesn't what he/she would be consenting to. Therefore, it can not really be considered consent.
I seem to remember that Xhonzi once asked this.