Are The Prequels That Bad? — Page 4

TV’s Frink said:

I have seen a few complaints about TFA having poor characters. Not many but a few. I’ve seen a few people say R1 had great characters. Not many but a few.

I’ve seen no one say both those things together.

And no, since you asked, I don’t spend time outside of here discussing Star Wars, except an occasional post on non-SW sites, and with my wife and daughters.

Then we must have had a misunderstanding. I didn’t mean to imply Rogue One had great characters, I just said they were interesting. I don’t even think R1 had good characters, just that a couple of them were interesting to watch and think about.

Ryan-SWI said:

RLM also glossed over most of TFA’s most controversial faults and ignored things they complained about endlessly in their Ep. I - III reviews, so I don’t really hold what they have to say in high regard.

Yep… but they are funny.

(and I love that now they don’t like the second Disney Wars - and are less and less praising TFA - almost everybody here goes “they can go to hell these RLM guys, they don’t know jack about SW” 😃)

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This isn’t a conspiracy… we really wanted to love ALL of them.

That wasn’t true for me. Revenge of the Sith I just wanted to get it over with.

Kellythatsit said:

I really can’t believe that people are defending the prequels as decent watchable movies on this thread. I’m even more incredulous that the same tend to then tear down tfa and r1 as poor movies.

It’s a strange thing this Star Wars fandom.

It’s funny how PT fans work. They’re so predictable. You can’t love the PT and all the other films. Of course, that would be silly. Who could love the PT? I suppose people with a blind devotion to George Lucas. So if you love the PT, you prefer it. And anything new that came after, post-GL (and is obviously better), you need to tear down at every corner - calling them fan films - to prove how much “better” (gag) the PT and GL’s “vision” is.

I hear arrogance is great this time of year.

DominicCobb said:

post-GL (and is obviously better)

That’s the reak trick: it’s not obviously better. It’s as bad as the PT… even worst. I don’t even believe anymore that Episode 8 could finally be a “good SW flick”. Disney will find a way to fail again… But Lucas didn’t completely fail one prequel, so there might be hope, who knows ?

ray_afraid said:

MalàStrana said:

Ryan-SWI said:

RLM also glossed over most of TFA’s most controversial faults and ignored things they complained about endlessly in their Ep. I - III reviews, so I don’t really hold what they have to say in high regard.

Yep… but they are funny.

(and I love that now they don’t like the second Disney Wars - and are less and less praising TFA - almost everybody here goes “they can go to hell these RLM guys, they don’t know jack about SW” 😃)

I can only think of about 3 people here who now bash RLM because they don’t like the new Star Wars. That’s hardly everybody here.

Ok, I got a wrong impression !

edit: what does “TFN level” mean ?

ray_afraid said:

There are a couple people here who seem to worship TFA on a TFN level though.

Thankfully, they mostly contain themselves to TFA thread.

Tobar said:

“LOOK GUYS IT’S JIMMY SMITS JUST STANDING THERE BUT AT LEAST HE WAS IN THAT ONE OTHER MOVIE”

Or you know, Princess Leia’s father, the guy who she states in SW sent her on her mission to begin with. Sounds like someone that would definitely show up in A PREQUEL TO SW

I said in my review that he’s supposed to be in the film. I like him being in the film. Unlike other appearances that felt out of place, he and Mon Mothma were appropriate and should have had larger roles. My complaint was that he wasn’t given anything to do except stand around and just be there. A potentially excellent character was relegated to fanservice duty.

“LOOK GUYS IT’S IMPERIAL WALKERS JUST BLOWING UP THEIR OWN BASE FOR NO GOOD REASON”

When are they ever depicted destroying their own buildings? They’re taking shots at enemy troops.

Plinkett nailed this in one of his recent videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-vP7kJheI

“The use of AT-ATs was purely fanservice, because when your own base has been infiltrated by rebels, you don’t use a scorched-earth, non-precision tac vehicle to attack them. You’re going to blow up you’re own ****. Who is their military tactician, Ray Charles?”

“LOOK GUYS IT’S A DROID TELLING US ABOUT THE ODDS AGAIN”

Yeah, that’s what droids do.

Says who? R2 and BB8 don’t tell people the odds. “Come on Red” didn’t tell Luke or Uncle Owen the odds about anything before he blew his bad motivator. That one droid in the Jawa crawler didn’t tell anyone the odds about anything. There was that little droid on the Death Star that just ran away from Chewie.

Yeah, you might want to rethink this idea you had.

“LOOK GUYS THERE’S A SHOT THAT LOOKS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE ONE FROM DAGOBAH”

No one has any idea what you’re talking about here.

It was a shot of the ship in the rain on Eadu or whatever it’s called.

For the record, I never liked RLM.

Tobar said:

Artoo says the chances of survival…

Yeah, I did think of that after I posted it. Still, it was apparently a running gag that Kasdan put into the script for one film. Neither 3PO or R2 mention anything about odds in the rest of the films, so this would be a good example of R1 ripping off the script from Empire.

Also, the Walkers in R1 are stupid for the reason RLM pointed out. One difference between Empire and R1 is that in Empire, the people making the movie were going balls to the wall to make it look like a realistic, futuristic battle. Sure, they wanted it to look good, but only so far as it looked real.

In R1, on the other hand, there was quite obviously zero attempt to make Scarif look like a real battle. It was conceived in much more of a comic book superhero universe kind of way.

Just one more post on the Walkers. Take a minute and think of the different approach to making the films everyone took on Empire compared to Rogue One. The people making Empire did actual research to find something visually compelling but that would actually work tactically in that kind of environment. It’s clear they put a lot of thought into the entire thing.

The people making Rogue One, on the other hand, were just like: “yeah, everyone loved those things and they look cool, so let’s put them in the movie”.

After Rogue One, and without defending the Prequels from a cinema POV, I can confess that in Star Wars I care and only care about characters that have been there directly or indirectly since the 80s. Prequels have them, sequels don’t.

No matter how badly written they are, I’ll always be interested in watching movies about Obi Wan, Anakin, Luke, Leia, Yoda, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, the Rebels, the Empire, the Emperor, etc.

The only value I had in ST were the old trio. With Han Solo dead, and Leia written out, and an absolutely flawed plot that still has the rebels as a fringe fraction and an Imperial remnant centered in the periferia of the galaxy (if anything, it should be the other way round), Kiloren or Rey or Orange Yoda just are meaningless to me.

So yes, there are fans that still have a soft spot for the PT, independently of how shitty it is.

Suggesting ideas I post, and think, and try as much as life allows me, to bring approaches and concepts and ideas to fix the PT, because I want them so bad to be good movies. I don’t have a clue about how to fix TFA just because subconsciously I never cared about what happened after ROTJ.

Hardcore Legend said:
I think the IV, V and VI are vastly superior to the PT, TFA and R1.

Fixed that for you.

“Fixed that for you” is so 2014.

I can live with that.

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Kellythatsit said:

You can’t love the PT and all the other films. Of course, that would be silly.

You can’t?

I meant this somewhat sarcastically. I don’t see any reason why a PT lover shouldn’t love all the films, and yet every PT lover seems to think them far superior to the OT and doesn’t like the new films at all.

The prequel films are nowhere near the quality of ANH or ESB but I think mixed in with the dislike people have for them is that it changed the story/characters they always thought they were. It seems like the film adaptation of a novel effect. People had ideas about what the Jedi Knights were, who Anakin Skywalker was, how the Clone Wars played out, how the Empire was formed and these films didn’t agree with that.

Personally, I don’t have a problem with any of that, though many people do. In fact, I grew up liking the PT, and I resisted PT hate because I misunderstood it at first as people being mad that they weren’t like how they thought they would be. But, watching them again, being older, that’s not what annoys me at all. Terrible acting, dialogue, and characterization are the main things I can’t get past. And then there’s shit pacing, humor, CGI, and uninteresting/convoluted/unbelievable plots on top of that. In nearly every way they’re just not good movies. Their treatment of SW lore honestly doesn’t even factor in for me.