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Bingowings said:

I have been to America and used the bus, the trains, taxi cabs and the subway in and around New York state (it was 1992 so maybe things have got worse).

I'd imagine that would be more difficult way out in isolated communities but there is always room for improvement.

Maybe some could resurrect Detroit's transport Empire by using it as a hub for re-building and improving the public transport system of the nation.

How much do you think the rest of the U.S. is like New York? The whole state of New York is a tiny speck of a place, and it is very densely populated. This means short stretches of travel distances servicing very high volumes of people. I really don't think you are as well informed on most things as you tend to like to think you are.

Things haven't gotten worse public transportation wise since 1992, such a thing simply hasn't existed for the most part before or since then. These "isolated communities" of which you speak are not isolated. They are major U.S. cities tied together by the interstate highway system, home to populations of hundreds of thousands of people.

There is no "rebuilding and improving" the public transit system of the nation, there never has been such a thing to start. Most Cities in the U.S. just have a  limited bus system. Building a viable public transportation system in the United States would be a truly enormous task, the cost would be astronomical, and upkeep and maintenance would also be prohibitively expensive.

A train from London to Paris is absolutely peanuts in comparison to the magnitude practical public transportation systems would have to be in most cities. Meanwhile, we have an awesome highway system and automobiles and travel via automobile is extremely inexpensive and far more practical.

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I am speaking this in general. I do not see any benefit in immigration what so ever (unless it is a case of a few expert individuals). I think multiculturalism is bad and opposes the human nature and is bound to cause problems. I just do not understand why would a gradual destruction of your nation's culture be a good idea.

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Go build a public transport system then and plow some of the money recouped from taxation of the enormous workforce into rebuilding the dollar everyone seem to be distancing themselves from by dumping stocks at the moment.

It might be practical at the moment to drive your car on an awesome highway but if the oil is in the hands of people who don't want to give it to you cheaply what do you do?

How far do you go for this practical awesomeness and how does the rest of the world look at you once you have gone there?

Warb seems to be convinced I hate America.

He has always confused government with the people.

I don't hate Japanese people because of Unit 731 or Germans for Action T4.

I posted earlier that Chinese school children are still taught about what the British government of the day did to their country during the opium wars. That isn't Chinese irrationally hating British people it's a response to events that happened, in that case to get tea.

I like tea but was it worth that historical suffering and nearly two centuries of resentment?

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Bah! As an upstate New Yorker, I object. New York is quite expansive and not that densely populated outside of NYC. If you actually live in a place, a long-distance bus isn't of much use, and most communities don't have commuter buses. CP3S is right about communities not being "isolated." In up-upstate NY (the "North Country"), it is very sparsely populated - but still largely connected by highways.

It's not like people bounce around between NYC, Albany and Buffalo. It's a matter of driving 15 minutes to the grocery store in one direction, 30 minutes to the mall in another direction, work is 20 minutes to an hour away in another direction, and there are any number of errands along the way you need to make a quick stop for before continuing to your destination.

I grew up in a small town, while not "isolated," has no public transportation. Many a summer was spent riding bikes down the street, watching tv, waiting for the zombie apocalypse or anything to happen. Aside from a couple of convenience stores and library, there wasn't anywhere to go without driving. I'm not surprised Bingo's travels didn't go to the many communities like mine, since there is no economic rationale for trains and buses to go to them.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Bingowings said:

I like tea but was it worth that historical suffering and nearly two centuries of resentment?

Well you do not get to be world's dominant country (and have all the luxury that comes with that) by being nice to other countries. To get that status, a country must exploit other countries. Was it worth keeping all those colonies you had? Of course it was...

Harsh but realistic.

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Bingowings said:

I like tea but was it worth that historical suffering and nearly two centuries of resentment?

Yes, especially for Earl Grey. Thanks to British imperialism you also have all kinds of yummy Indian food.

The blue elephant in the room.

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I can teleport to anywhere with peanuts but conventional transport is prohibitively expensive for me in general.

But I would never want to have a car.

As for the countries I own or have owned in the past all I can say was they never made me feel whole as a person.

Global dominion just breeds insecurity and low self esteem, and a desire for universal dominion which is a lot of hard work to fulfill.

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imperialscum said:

I am speaking this in general. I do not see any benefit in immigration what so ever (unless it is a case of a few expert individuals). I think multiculturalism is bad and opposes the human nature and is bound to cause problems. I just do not understand why would a gradual destruction of your nation's culture be a good idea.

Agreed. 

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Hey, it's me. said:

imperialscum said:

I am speaking this in general. I do not see any benefit in immigration what so ever (unless it is a case of a few expert individuals). I think multiculturalism is bad and opposes the human nature and is bound to cause problems. I just do not understand why would a gradual destruction of your nation's culture be a good idea.

Agreed. 

For me Scotland is just the name of the region where the plot of land the brick box I sleep in is located.

I don't feel attached to the culture but I'm protective of my rights.

I hope I'd be as protective of my rights if the brick box moved.

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It was great not having a car to worry about in Chicago. And I love Chicago. That doesn't mean I think everyone should give up their cars and live there.

Having a car is also great. Even if you don't need it often, to be able to go for a drive and get out of a city on a whim is terrific.

If your box were moved, it would depend on your conception of rights. If we took the Yanomamo out of South America and deposited them in Scotland, there may be an unavoidable clash. I don't know how the Amish would fair in the UK either.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Bingowings said:

Hey, it's me. said:

imperialscum said:

I am speaking this in general. I do not see any benefit in immigration what so ever (unless it is a case of a few expert individuals). I think multiculturalism is bad and opposes the human nature and is bound to cause problems. I just do not understand why would a gradual destruction of your nation's culture be a good idea.

Agreed. 

For me Scotland is just the name of the region where the plot of land the brick box I sleep in is located.

I don't feel attached to the culture but I'm protective of my rights.

I hope I'd be as protective of my rights if the brick box moved.

If that's the way you feel about your national identity (or lack of it) then that's fine. Barring all the imperialism crap, I'm proud to be British. My grandfather fought in the RAF through both World Wars, and the way this country is heading is not what he put his life on the line for. 

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Mrebo said:

It was great not having a car to worry about in Chicago. And I love Chicago. That doesn't mean I think everyone should give up their cars and live there.

Having a car is also great. Even if you don't need it often, to be able to go for a drive and get out of a city on a whim is terrific.

If your box were moved, it would depend on your conception of rights. If we took the Yanomamo out of South America and deposited them in Scotland, there may be an unavoidable clash. I don't know how the Amish would fair in the UK either.

Everyone should give up their petrol cars eventually because it's a polluting finite resource.

Electric vehicles are getting better but they aren't currently viable as agricultural vehicles or for traveling long distances that why investing in public transport and better electric motors is paramount.

But that's not going to happen when wealthy interests repress advances.

There are deserted areas of Scotland and Wales where the Amish might be able to live their chosen lifestyle relatively undisturbed.

The Yanomato might need to wrap up a bit even in the summer (the dress like they come from Newcastle).

 

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Bingowings said:

Everyone should give up their petrol cars eventually because it's a polluting finite resource.

Electric vehicles are getting better but they aren't currently viable as agricultural vehicles or for traveling long distances that why investing in public transport and better electric motors is paramount.

If the electric energy that powers your car is produced by coal then it is better to dive a petrol one.

But whenever you want to build a nuclear plant (currently the only viable alternative to coal plant) you get those environmentalist idiots obstructing the process.

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imperialscum said:

Bingowings said:

Everyone should give up their petrol cars eventually because it's a polluting finite resource.

Electric vehicles are getting better but they aren't currently viable as agricultural vehicles or for traveling long distances that why investing in public transport and better electric motors is paramount.

If the electric energy that powers your car is produced by coal then it is better to dive a petrol one.

But whenever you want to build a nuclear plant (currently the only viable alternative to coal plant) you get those environmentalist idiots obstructing the process.

There is no need to use fossil fuel or nuclear fission (you call them environmentalist idiots but the waste is a pollutant for thousands of years and a security risk).

Tidal energy and solar thermal energy are perpetual and technologically light.

America has such variety of landscape the opportunities for using renewables for power generation are great.

Conventional solar cells are technologically heavy (though they do pay for themselves) but land based wind farms are a waste of time.

Storage can be a problem.

If we could crack fusion energy would cease to be an issue if we were permitted to know it existed of course.

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Bingowings said:

I like tea but was it worth that historical suffering and nearly two centuries of resentment?

fuck yeah,  I thank God that we told Elizbeth's great, great, great,  grandfather what he could do with his tea.   I don't want to have any king or queen.    I want to live in any country where the laws have to be signed and approved by an unelected leader and that got the job because his/her father/mother was the leader before him/her.   I don't want live in a country where the legislators that we elect have to swear loyalty to the king/queen before being allowed to be legislators.  I don't want to live in a country where laws not only have to be passed by the elected house, but also must be passed by an unelected house of elites(some probably picked by the King/Queen).    I don't want to live in a country where, before the elected leader takes office, he/she must bow down before king/queen  and get his/her permission first.   I don't want to live in a country where the king/queen has the authority to call said elected leader on the carpet(as Thatcher once was).   I don't want to live in a country where the government is said to belong to the king/queen, and not the people.   I don't want to live a in country where rights come from the queen/king and not from nature/God.   I don't want to live in country that has an imaginary constitution, instead of real constitution written down in black and white.  I don't want to live in a country that has an official religion and is headed by the king/queen.    I love the fact that the first words in our Constitution  say in large letters: WE THE PEOPLE.    We are not an empire, we are a republic, born out of the idea that all people were born equal with certain inalienable rights.     Have we done bad things that we should be ashamed of yes.  We should be ashamed about slavery and what we did to he native Americans,  we should be ashamed of how we for years treated(and in some cases still treat) nonwhites, women, non-christians, non-protestants, non-Europeans, those that don't speak English, homosexuals and others.   We are far from perfect and not lived up to our ideals.   Have we fought wars we shouldn't have?  probably.    We have and probably will in the future,  make mistakes and do wrong things and things that we should be ashamed of, we are human after all.   We have a lot of problems, but we are still a great nation.   What makes us great?  The American ideal that all people should be free, equal, have inalienable rights(including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness),  that rights can not be taken away without due process, that we elect our leaders, that the government belongs to and works for the people and not the other way around.    This is what makes us great.  Our nation and the way it began, inspired and inspires  countless countries and people to strive for freedom and equality.    Because of how great of nation is, countless people from around the globe left their native country to come here, seeking freedom and equality.   some one on here said immigration is a bad thing.   Our country is built on immigration.   Everyone here came from somewhere else,  even the native Americans immigrated from Asia years and years and years ago.  This combination of people from everywhere makes us great.  The fact that in WWII we took on two very evil empires and defeated them and let them be  free, that makes us great.  There is no place like America  anywhere else.   I am very, very, proud to be an American and I thank God I was born here.    We are no empire and no soviet union.   All those that hate us can go to hell.

*gets off soap box* 

 

 

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Bingowings said:

I like tea but was it worth that historical suffering and nearly two centuries of resentment?

fuck yeah,  I thank God that we told Elizbeth's great, great, great,  grandfather what he could do with his tea.   I don't want to have any king or queen.    I want to live in any country where the laws have to be signed and approved by an unelected leader and that got the job because his/her father/mother was the leader before him/her.   I don't want live in a country where the legislators that we elect have to swear loyalty to the king/queen before being allowed to be legislators.  I don't want to live in a country where laws not only have to be passed by the elected house, but also must be passed by an unelected house of elites(some probably picked by the King/Queen).    I don't want to live in a country where, before the elected leader takes office, he/she must bow down before king/queen  and get his/her permission first.   I don't want to live in a country where the king/queen has the authority to call said elected leader on the carpet(as Thatcher once was).   I don't want to live in a country where the government is said to belong to the king/queen, and not the people.   I don't want to live a in country where rights come from the queen/king and not from nature/God.   I don't want to live in country that has an imaginary constitution, instead of real constitution written down in black and white.  I don't want to live in a country that has an official religion and is headed by the king/queen.    I love the fact that the first words in our Constitution  say in large letters: WE THE PEOPLE.    We are not an empire, we are a republic, born out of the idea that all people were born equal with certain inalienable rights.     Have we done bad things that we should be ashamed of yes.  We should be ashamed about slavery and what we did to he native Americans,  we should be ashamed of how we for years treated(and in some cases still treat) nonwhites, women, non-christians, non-protestants, non-Europeans, those that don't speak English, homosexuals and others.   We are far from perfect and not lived up to our ideals.   Have we fought wars we shouldn't have?  probably.    We have and probably will in the future,  make mistakes and do wrong things and things that we should be ashamed of, we are human after all.   We have a lot of problems, but we are still a great nation.   What makes us great?  The American ideal that all people should be free, equal, have inalienable rights(including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness),  that rights can not be taken away without due process, that we elect our leaders, that the government belongs to and works for the people and not the other way around.    This is what makes us great.  Our nation and the way it began, inspired and inspires  countless countries and people to strive for freedom and equality.    Because of how great of nation is, countless people from around the globe left their native country to come here, seeking freedom and equality.   some one on here said immigration is a bad thing.   Our country is built on immigration.   Everyone here came from somewhere else,  even the native Americans immigrated from Asia years and years and years ago.  This combination of people from everywhere makes us great.  The fact that in WWII we took on two very evil empires and defeated them and let them be  free, that makes us great.  There is no place like America  anywhere else.   I am very, very, proud to be an American and I thank God I was born here.    We are no empire and no soviet union.   All those that hate us can go to hell.

*gets off soap box* 

*giggles*

p.s. please don't stop sending us tea because of Warbler

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Bingowings said:

I like tea but was it worth that historical suffering and nearly two centuries of resentment?

fuck yeah,  I thank God that we told Elizbeth's great, great, great,  grandfather what he could do with his tea.   I don't want to have any king or queen.    I want to live in any country where the laws have to be signed and approved by an unelected leader and that got the job because his/her father/mother was the leader before him/her.   I don't want live in a country where the legislators that we elect have to swear loyalty to the king/queen before being allowed to be legislators.  I don't want to live in a country where laws not only have to be passed by the elected house, but also must be passed by an unelected house of elites(some probably picked by the King/Queen).    I don't want to live in a country where, before the elected leader takes office, he/she must bow down before king/queen  and get his/her permission first.   I don't want to live in a country where the king/queen has the authority to call said elected leader on the carpet(as Thatcher once was).   I don't want to live in a country where the government is said to belong to the king/queen, and not the people.   I don't want to live a in country where rights come from the queen/king and not from nature/God.   I don't want to live in country that has an imaginary constitution, instead of real constitution written down in black and white.  I don't want to live in a country that has an official religion and is headed by the king/queen.    I love the fact that the first words in our Constitution  say in large letters: WE THE PEOPLE.    We are not an empire, we are a republic, born out of the idea that all people were born equal with certain inalienable rights.     Have we done bad things that we should be ashamed of yes.  We should be ashamed about slavery and what we did to he native Americans,  we should be ashamed of how we for years treated(and in some cases still treat) nonwhites, women, non-christians, non-protestants, non-Europeans, those that don't speak English, homosexuals and others.   We are far from perfect and not lived up to our ideals.   Have we fought wars we shouldn't have?  probably.    We have and probably will in the future,  make mistakes and do wrong things and things that we should be ashamed of, we are human after all.   We have a lot of problems, but we are still a great nation.   What makes us great?  The American ideal that all people should be free, equal, have inalienable rights(including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness),  that rights can not be taken away without due process, that we elect our leaders, that the government belongs to and works for the people and not the other way around.    This is what makes us great.  Our nation and the way it began, inspired and inspires  countless countries and people to strive for freedom and equality.    Because of how great of nation is, countless people from around the globe left their native country to come here, seeking freedom and equality.   some one on here said immigration is a bad thing.   Our country is built on immigration.   Everyone here came from somewhere else,  even the native Americans immigrated from Asia years and years and years ago.  This combination of people from everywhere makes us great.  The fact that in WWII we took on two very evil empires and defeated them and let them be  free, that makes us great.  There is no place like America  anywhere else.   I am very, very, proud to be an American and I thank God I was born here.    We are no empire and no soviet union.   All those that hate us can go to hell.

*gets off soap box* 

 

 

Shit you make America sound like a Utopia. The reality off offcourse is very, very different. Rose tinted glasses anyone. Lol

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Bingowings said:

imperialscum said:

Bingowings said:

Everyone should give up their petrol cars eventually because it's a polluting finite resource.

Electric vehicles are getting better but they aren't currently viable as agricultural vehicles or for traveling long distances that why investing in public transport and better electric motors is paramount.

If the electric energy that powers your car is produced by coal then it is better to dive a petrol one.

But whenever you want to build a nuclear plant (currently the only viable alternative to coal plant) you get those environmentalist idiots obstructing the process.

There is no need to use fossil fuel or nuclear fission (you call them environmentalist idiots but the waste is a pollutant for thousands of years and a security risk).

Tidal energy and solar thermal energy are perpetual and technologically light.

America has such variety of landscape the opportunities for using renewables for power generation are great.

Conventional solar cells are technologically heavy (though they do pay for themselves) but land based wind farms are a waste of time.

Storage can be a problem.

If we could crack fusion energy would cease to be an issue if we were permitted to know it existed of course.

There is a considerable progress toward a useful fusion plant. But as of this moment the only useful power plant is either coal or nuclear. That is the reality. Any environmentalist who says that (at this moment) the viable alternative to those two are wind, solar and hydro plants is a complete idiot.

Semiconductor based solar plants and wind farms are useless. Not to mention costly to manage with all the variations in the output. If you are forced to have a backup coal/gas plant running, then it is better not have them at all.

Well hydro energy is okay but then again it cannot possibly cover all the energy demands. Not to mention, some countries do not have the geographical basis for it.

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Hey, it's me. said:

Shit you make America sound like a Utopia. The reality off offcourse is very, very different. Rose tinted glasses anyone. Lol

utopia?   Did you skip over this part?

Warbler said:   Have we done bad things that we should be ashamed of yes.  We should be ashamed about slavery and what we did to he native Americans,  we should be ashamed of how we for years treated(and in some cases still treat) nonwhites, women, non-christians, non-protestants, non-Europeans, those that don't speak English, homosexuals and others.   We are far from perfect and not lived up to our ideals.   Have we fought wars we shouldn't have?  probably.    We have and probably will in the future,  make mistakes and do wrong things and things that we should be ashamed of, we are human after all.   We have a lot of problems

 

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imperialscum said:

Well hydro energy is okay but then again it cannot possibly cover all the energy demands. Not to mention, some countries do not have the geographical basis for it.

The French used to be naughty, sinking the ships of the yogurt-weavers and all that but they did build this which has repaid for itself already.

As I mentioned earlier there is the Solar thermal option in hot inland areas.

The energy grid would need an overhaul but you could do that when you lay down the the public transport network, generating all those lovely American jobs.

If you are really good at it maybe you'll be selling them to the Chinese in a few decades.

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Bingowings said:

Go build a public transport system then and plow some of the money recouped from taxation of the enormous workforce into rebuilding the dollar everyone seem to be distancing themselves from by dumping stocks at the moment.

I'm getting that you don't understand the current economic issues of the United States at all.

 

It might be practical at the moment to drive your car on an awesome highway but if the oil is in the hands of people who don't want to give it to you cheaply what do you do?

It is practical right now. And it will continue to be. Currently we can obtain oil from other countries cheaper than we can drill it ourselves. If that changes, then we'll start drilling. We have a virtually untouched supply of oil within our own borders that would allow our country to maintain self sufficiency for well beyond the point fossil fuels are expected to be needed. Meanwhile, advancements in alternative energies and electric motors continue to improve year by year. The reason why hybrids and electric cars are so unaffordable at the moment is because the relatively small number of them on the market right now are carrying the burden of billions of dollars in research and development. As they continue to become more popular, prices will drop and more affordable and competitively priced models will begin flooding the market.

Within the next fifteen to twenty years, America's interest in foreign oils will be a thing of the past. We may even find ourselves a major world supplier of the stuff, as oil in the Persian Gulf continues to dry up. 

 

How far do you go for this practical awesomeness and how does the rest of the world look at you once you have gone there?

Personally, I feel like the United States really needs to draw out of the Middle East entirely. The benefits of America securing those regions and forcing stability spreads far wider than our shores, China is perhaps the nation benefiting the most from this, followed by the rest of East Asia. Screw the Straight of Hormuz, we don't need it.

If the rest of the world looks at us with disapproving eyes now, I can only imagine how much sharper those spiteful glares will turn if we are to wisen up and withdraw any and all American military presence out of the Middle East. It is costing us a lot of tax dollars, and it is benefiting us almost zilch.

 

Anyway, the idea of increasing public transportation in the U.S. is naive and silly. We don't need it. We wouldn't use it. It wouldn't work. Our cities have been built around the highway system. The decision was made long ago, and now we are locked in. Something like an interstate rail system linking major cities from one side of the country to the other would be pretty awesome! I'd use it. But it would be very expensive, it would take lifetimes to recover the costs if this was to be done by travel fare, otherwise it would be prohibitively expensive to those such a system would benefit the most. If you had that kind of money, you'd simply just fly or drive from NYC to LA and save yourself a lot of money and get there in a fraction of the time. The costs would probably fall to government subsidies, making the whole thing a huge tax burden. As far as being better for the environment, the construction of such a system would create an extremely sizable footprint. We're much better off waiting for our electric cars and maintaining the highway system we've already got.

The United States is a big place, and it is very spread out. You could fit the land mass of the entire U.K. into the U.S. thirty-seven times. You could take every populated portion of the U.K. (that is all cities, towns, and settlements), and squeeze them into the state of Oregon.

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No I didnt. But your self delusional opinion that America is the 'best' country in the world in which to live is complete crap. A country that has the highest murder rate in the world, 25% of the worlds imprisoned population are in American prisons, a country where pointless gun massacres are common because any dipshit can own a gun, a country who's rules are governed by a set of amendments that are 200 years out of date, and a country who's only true contribution to world history is making films and McDonald's. Come on everybody join me 'YOUESSAY! YOUESSAY! Lol

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I wanted to chime in here regarding the OP and what the thread was about....

I think there is a big misunderstanding between Muslim culture and other cultures... I have been in circumstances recently that has caused me a lot of general upset due to cultural differences with the Muslim faith.

Although I certainly do not think they are evil people and I am certainly not a racist. The problems all seem to arise from their opinions that others should follow their way of doing things because it is in there belief the right thing to do  or make allowances for their culture alone when we do indeed live in a multi-cultural society.

I don't believe in telling anyone how to live their life... Unless I can see perhaps harm coming to them or just advice because I care about them that is a lot different to telling people what to do.

Unfortunately the separation from other cultures is part of their belief in that they can not be like other cultures because of the way their culture is in the first place... It is as simple as that. And it is in this small way that prevents them from integrating better as other cultures have done so previously.

 

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imperialscum said:

I am speaking this in general. I do not see any benefit in immigration what so ever (unless it is a case of a few expert individuals). I think multiculturalism is bad and opposes the human nature and is bound to cause problems. I just do not understand why would a gradual destruction of your nation's culture be a good idea.

Racist.