I did, you're still a bigot and women should still be allowed to wear Burkas if they want. As for concerns about 11 year olds. I couldn't chose not to go to Sunday School when I was 11. Part of freedom of religion is the right a parent to bring their child up in his/her religion.
Warbler said:
I did, you're still a bigot and women should still be allowed to wear Burkas if they want. As for concerns about 11 year olds. I couldn't chose not to go to Sunday School when I was 11. Part of freedom of religion is the right a parent to bring their child up in his/her religion.
Your tolerant of the intolerant. In other words your a mug.
Most of the things you are critical of aren't Islamic, they are Arab cultural traits.
There is nothing in the Koran about wearing Burkas for example.
Men and women are meant to dress plainly and modestly not draw attention to themselves wearing a tent or desert robes in the high street.
Having a go a Islam for those things is like having a go at Christians for wearing Kilts and eating too much fried food.
Hey, it's me. said:
Warbler said:
I did, you're still a bigot and women should still be allowed to wear Burkas if they want. As for concerns about 11 year olds. I couldn't chose not to go to Sunday School when I was 11. Part of freedom of religion is the right a parent to bring their child up in his/her religion.
Your tolerant of the intolerant.
I am tolerant of the right to be intolerant, I am tolerant of people living how they want to live as long as they don't hurt me.
Hey, it's me. said:
In other words your a mug.
and you are an idiot.
It doesn't help to broad-brush "liberals" as having a single mindset with regards to these issues. I consider myself extremely liberal, but I and most liberals I know (actual people, not the ones that get all the attention) struggle with where to draw the line and often disagree with each other.
I certainly am against Sharia law being allowed in the U.S., because I believe in the rule of law and living in the U.S. means being protected by its laws, not some other set of laws. I'd be just as against it if some group were coming in here trying to get permission to live by Amsterdam's laws.
The burka - when worn in the U.S. - also bothers me. Not because it is a symbol of Islam (I don't even know if it is), but because it represents severe inequality being introduced into a country in which everyone is supposed to have equal protection. You know that if some of these women stopped wearing the burka, they'd be punished or worse. Yes they are choosing to wear it, but the reality is that some of them are being denied choice, living under an intimidation they can't easily escape and dare not admit publicly. By American standards, that isn't fair. We probably can't ban them outright, but they could be banned in areas where security is a potential concern, such as airports, government buildings, schools, etc., because of the inability to reasonably confirm the identity of someone wearing it. Religious freedom isn't absolute.
This isn't about liberals versus conservatives - it's about trying to reason through where to draw the lines. It's why I hate extreme media on both sides, because they squelch discussion and problem-solving rather than facilitating it, by propping up ridiculous straw men and convincing their viewers that is what the other side believes. The vast majority of real people fall closer to the middle, and if the FOX's and MSNBC's weren't fanning the flames, we'd probably be making a lot more progress and our government might not be at gridlock.
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I would love to wear the Burka sometimes.
It must be liberating not to have people talking to your moobs.
As a practicing liberal Christian Warbler, go and live in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. See how long you last...and your still a mug, mug.
Why would he want to?
It's like Warb saying he doesn't like wearing shoes and you saying, "try walking on white hot razor blades without shoes mug!".
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
It doesn't help to broad-brush "liberals" as having a single mindset with regards to these issues. I consider myself extremely liberal, but I and most liberals I know (actual people, not the ones that get all the attention) struggle with where to draw the line and often disagree with each other.
I certainly am against Sharia law being allowed in the U.S., because I believe in the rule of law and living in the U.S. means being protected by its laws, not some other set of laws. I'd be just as against it if some group were coming in here trying to get permission to live by Amsterdam's laws.
The burka - when worn in the U.S. - also bothers me. Not because it is a symbol of Islam (I don't even know if it is), but because it represents severe inequality being introduced into a country in which everyone is supposed to have equal protection. You know that if some of these women stopped wearing the burka, they'd be punished or worse. Yes they are choosing to wear it, but the reality is that some of them are being denied choice, living under an intimidation they can't easily escape and dare not admit publicly. By American standards, that isn't fair. We probably can't ban them outright, but they could be banned in areas where security is a potential concern, such as airports, government buildings, schools, etc., because of the inability to reasonably confirm the identity of someone wearing it. Religious freedom isn't absolute.
This isn't about liberals versus conservatives - it's about trying to reason through where to draw the lines. It's why I hate extreme media on both sides, because they squelch discussion and problem-solving rather than facilitating it, by propping up ridiculous straw men and convincing their viewers that is what the other side believes. The vast majority of real people fall closer to the middle, and if the FOX's and MSNBC's weren't fanning the flames, we'd probably be making a lot more progress and our government might not be at gridlock.
Totally agree Puggo. Don't expect Warbler to. Lol
Bingowings said:
Why would he want to?
It's like Warb saying he doesn't like wearing shoes and you saying, "try walking on white hot razor blades without shoes mug!".
It was a hypothetical suggestion that would expose how intolerant Muslim nations are to any other religion. Think about before you stand on your liberal soapbox.
Hey, it's me. said:
Bingowings said:
Why would he want to?
It's like Warb saying he doesn't like wearing shoes and you saying, "try walking on white hot razor blades without shoes mug!".
It was a hypothetical suggestion that would expose how intolerant Muslim nations are to any other religion. Think about before you stand on your liberal soapbox.
Don't call my soapbox liberal and get off your bigoted biscuit tin.
Bingowings said:
Hey, it's me. said:
Bingowings said:
Why would he want to?
It's like Warb saying he doesn't like wearing shoes and you saying, "try walking on white hot razor blades without shoes mug!".
It was a hypothetical suggestion that would expose how intolerant Muslim nations are to any other religion. Think about before you stand on your liberal soapbox.
Don't call my soapbox liberal and get off your bigoted biscuit tin.
Ha ha! Love it. My biscuit tin contains all sorts for your information. It's very assorted. Bourbons being my favourite :)
How very Continental.
Don't be a Total Biscuit.
If you bring people with 13th century menatality into the 21th century you are bound to have trouble.
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21th century? Didnt know you had lisp Impscum?? Lol
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
The burka - when worn in the U.S. - also bothers me. Not because it is a symbol of Islam (I don't even know if it is), but because it represents severe inequality being introduced into a country in which everyone is supposed to have equal protection.
and you would solve that by introducing more inequality by allow the government to say what Muslims can and can't wear.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
You know that if some of these women stopped wearing the burka, they'd be punished or worse.
the punishments you I think you refer to(stonings and beatings and stuff like that), are illegal in the US. If anyone tries stuff like that here, they could go to jail.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Yes they are choosing to wear it, but the reality is that some of them are being denied choice,
not in the US. They are free to wear them or not wear them.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
By American standards, that isn't fair. We probably can't ban them outright, but they could be banned in areas where security is a potential concern, such as airports, government buildings, schools, etc., because of the inability to reasonably confirm the identity of someone wearing it. Religious freedom isn't absolute.
yeah, who cares about the rights of Muslim women to fly somewhere, do business in a government building, to go to school. After all, those inalienable rights talked about in the Declaration of Independence don't apply Muslim women.
Are you even listening to yourself?
Hey, it's me. said:
As a practicing liberal Christian Warbler, go and live in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. See how long you last...
old saying: two wrongs don't make a right.
Hey, it's me. said:
and your still a mug, mug.
and you're a bigot, bigot.
Punishments like beatings and 'stuff like that' are illegal in the good ol' US of A? They're illegal in most countries but doesn't stop them happening behind closed doors. Get your head out of the sand Warbler. It's laughable.
Hey, it's me. said:
Punishments like beatings and 'stuff like that' are illegal in the good ol' US of A? They're illegal in most countries but doesn't stop them happening behind closed doors.
When it happens behind closed doors, I would suggest that victims leave that house and go to the police. They do not have to live like that. Besides, you really think laws banning burkas will stop that? You really these men would not beat them for not burkas, just because it was against the law? If these Muslim me are so crazy and extreme, I would think they would prefer that their women violate the law and go to jail, to them not wear burkas.
Hey, it's me. said:
Get your head out of the sand Warbler.
I'll do that, when you get your head out of your ass.
Hey, it's me. said:
It's laughable.
no, its sad and frightening.
Hey, it's me. said:
21th century? Didnt know you had lisp Impscum?? Lol
Sorry, 21st. I was a bit drunk. :)
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Warb should look up so called battered wife syndrome.
Saying someone should do something is easy, doing it is something else.
He's a deluded fool. Needs to start living in reality and stop imagining everyone's holding hands singing 'We are the World'
imperialscum said:
Hey, it's me. said:
21th century? Didnt know you had lisp Impscum?? Lol
Sorry, 21st. I was a bit drunk. :)
Yep, been there before lol
Hey, it's jerk. said:
He's a deluded fool. Needs to start living in reality and stop imagining everyone's holding hands singing 'We are the World'