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Anyone see ER last week (11-02-06)? RE: Padme's death

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OK, so on ER last week, which I watched on my ReplayTV last night there was this guy who was in an accident. When his wife and daughter came to visit, his wife passed out when informed that her husband didn't make it. Here's what happened when attempting to revive her:

The doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with her. One of them said it was "broken heart syndrome". Another doc said he heard about it before but has never seen an actual case. Well, she ended up dying of this "broken heart syndrome".

I couldn't belive it myself, but apparently it's true and the same thing that killed Padme in Revenge of the Sith.

I was able to suspend disbelief enough when I saw the movie, but I know others were not. What do we all think of this now?
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Ive never seen ER. I have never found Padme losing the will to live too objectionable, that said, I think I would have felt more emotional over her death if she actually died by Anakin killing her or her going into exile as it was when I first saw Revenge of the Sith at the cinema I was thinking "oh well!!! she's dead what happened" Ive always enjoyed the film, and I know some people have got all emotional over the film especially scenes like this, but prehaps its me, but it never really hit me as much it seemingly does others...
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Maybe it could happen though I've never heard of it in terms of real life... but I'm still of the opinion that the body doesn't work that way. If it's physically in good condition why would it stop functioning? It conflicts in my brain with the idea that some people can be kept alive even when they're brain dead.

In padme's case, it wasn't just that, but everything about Padme from eps 1 to 2 shows she's not one to die so easily and supposedly cares about things greater than just her and anakin. she even says "you're going down a path i can't follow" right? I can't remember exactly... haven't seen that movie in months. So her just going dead after fighting wars, surviving assasinations, and having two healthy kids just seemed ridiculous and completely against who she was supposed to be to me. In the end, I conclude that time was short and GL was in a rush to end everything in five minutes... A veteran of the clone wars dies not fighting for anything, just giving up. Kinda sad really but not the way it was intended.

edit: that's what I think too, mr. bungle. Padme is presented as a fighter so her dying due to Anakin's crazy insane force choke would have been so much more dramatic than suicide, the cowardly way out.

Oh now I remember exactly why this part always made me say WTF. Padme says "there's still good in him." right before she dies. So why does she die if there's still good in him? Bad writing as usual I guess.

Still, I look forward to those great pt edits that'll try to salvage Lucas' mess.

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I thought it was tragic, heartbreaking and entirely plausible.
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Broken Heart Syndrome deaths usually occur in very elderly people, following the loss of a spouse.


It is rare, though I suppose not unheard of, for it to happen with younger, healthier people. It is, in fact, a loss of will to live that the body might be suceptible to, but moreso if the body is ailing already in some way.



I never heard of someone dying from Broken Heart Syndrome when a spouse turns to the dark side of the force ... so I still find Padme's death from No Will To Live among the most retarded things I've ever seen in a movie.


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Yeah, I thought it was damned stupid, and for the exact same reason that Wesyeed claimed. She said, "There's still good in him," which was a clear indication that she had not given up. Had she truly believed that, there would be no reason for her to let herself die. But I think George was just too obsessed with making her sound eerily reminiscent of Luke in ROTJ, so he failed to notice that.

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Originally posted by: Wesyeed

In padme's case, it wasn't just that, but everything about Padme from eps 1 to 2 shows she's not one to die so easily and supposedly cares about things greater than just her and anakin. she even says "you're going down a path i can't follow" right? I can't remember exactly... haven't seen that movie in months. So her just going dead after fighting wars, surviving assasinations, and having two healthy kids just seemed ridiculous and completely against who she was supposed to be to me. In the end, I conclude that time was short and GL was in a rush to end everything in five minutes... A veteran of the clone wars dies not fighting for anything, just giving up. Kinda sad really but not the way it was intended.


Exactly, she was a powerful warrior and then she just fizzles out? It wasn't even from a quick shock like that ER episode, or an old person falling into despair and becoming sick. It was silly.

The only emotionally moving part at the end of Sith was how hard Obiwan took Anakin's betrayal. That was well done and it made sense.

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Her dying via the vapors was hardly the worst sin against her character in RotS. She simply became such an unbelieveable wimp in the whole movie, contrary to her character that was presented in the other two films. Gak, even her wooden affectations as the Queen had her evincing more spunk than she did in the entire final film.

The prequels' greatest flaw was failing to develop likeable characters on the order of Luke, Han and Leia. To then squander what little character they had developed in Padme was among the more egregious errors of Revenge of the Sith.


Bah.
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I'm willing to bet there are tens of millions of people alive today who as physically healthy young people suffered some tragedy like war, 9/11, their families being murdered, etc. And I bet a lot of those people were so emotionally destroyed that they wished they were dead themselves. But they all lived. You can't just concentrate really hard and will yourself dead. It's bullshit.
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Her dying via the vapors was hardly the worst sin against her character in RotS. She simply became such an unbelieveable wimp in the whole movie, contrary to her character that was presented in the other two films. Gak, even her wooden affectations as the Queen had her evincing more spunk than she did in the entire final film.

The prequels' greatest flaw was failing to develop likeable characters on the order of Luke, Han and Leia. To then squander what little character they had developed in Padme was among the more egregious errors of Revenge of the Sith.


Bah.


Of course, all of her good scenes ended up being cut from the movie since they were pretty extraneous to the main plot. Pretty much, she just didn't have anything to do in that movie except weep and worry and be in love.

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Losing the will to live happens all the time, but it is with older people who are near the end of their lives and truly don't have anything to live for. They are people who are 85-90 years old with no family, usually an incurable disease, or just clinically depressed, and they just wither away til they die, so I do believe that 'losing the will to live' can happen.

The problem with Padme and ROTS is she just gave birth to twins, and makes me wonder what was Lucas thinking? I know any women who has children, they are more sacred to them then anything in the world, so to just give up, and then say, "There is still good in him." THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!

I am a guy, but after seeing how Lucas ruined Padmes character arc in ROTS I have to say, "You can tell a man wrote that plot point."
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When old people "lose the will to live" it's really just a combination of old age and probably a tendency to not take care of themselves like they once did. When you're really old, the likelihood of dying soon is pretty good anyway. Being wracked with depression only compounds the problem because you're not likely to do things that are going to keep you vibrant and healthy. So really you can still break it down to a physical reasoning for death.

What's Padme's excuse? There is none. And the fact that her death completely flies in the face of the character that's been built up by 5+ hours of film makes Lucas's writing all the more embarassingly bad.
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Originally posted by: CO
I am a guy, but after seeing how Lucas ruined Padmes character arc in ROTS I have to say, "You can tell a man wrote that plot point."


LOL! Too right! GL seems to have a great deal of trouble with female characters as a whole. He starts off strong, then they fade into the background as they go along.

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Originally posted by: GeorgeLucasIsANarcissist
When old people "lose the will to live" it's really just a combination of old age and probably a tendency to not take care of themselves like they once did. When you're really old, the likelihood of dying soon is pretty good anyway. Being wracked with depression only compounds the problem because you're not likely to do things that are going to keep you vibrant and healthy. So really you can still break it down to a physical reasoning for death.


That is true. A very old person living in a retirement home, who has no family to visit because they are incapable of walking, sitting around alone all the time, I would expect that they would not have much of a will to live. A relatively young woman who just choked by her husband for a few seconds (representing the galactic equivalent of Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston going at it) and then giving birth to new life, and then "not having the will to live" is horses#$@.

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So padme's death could be a suicide? I mean she lost the will to live, so she willed herself dead even though she was perfectly healthy. That doesn't make sense, or else thinking "I wish I could die" would literally kill you.
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
So padme's death could be a suicide? I mean she lost the will to live, so she willed herself dead even though she was perfectly healthy. That doesn't make sense, or else thinking "I wish I could die" would literally kill you.


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Well, if we don't hear from generalfrevious again, then we'll know he managed to get it right.

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Originally posted by: CO
I am a guy, but after seeing how Lucas ruined Padmes character arc in ROTS I have to say, "You can tell a man wrote that plot point." Originally posted by: Darth Sheba
LOL! Too right! GL seems to have a great deal of trouble with female characters as a whole. He starts off strong, then they fade into the background as they go along.
I agree completely! I think Leia is less well served by ROTJ than the other movies of the OOT, but the character of Padme never becomes an independent character. This is part of the more general aspect of the PT that its focus is much more narrow than the OOT. It's Lil' Orphan Annie's story and everyone else is there just for their relationship to him. They're all background to his story. Padme is just there to be a love interest for Annie. She never really becomes anything more than that. At least Leia, in ANH and ESB, gives you the impression that she is an independent person of great importance to the Rebellion. She is an equal presence to Luke and Han. I love the way ESB, IMHO the best scripted of all the SW films, gives equal time to all three main characters and none of them are there just to fill a need in the story of one of them.
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Well, on ER she wasn't an old lady and she did have a teenage daughter left behind.
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Broken Heart Syndrome deaths usually occur in very elderly people, following the loss of a spouse.

I've seen what I think is a real life example of it. A few years ago, my next door neighbor, a woman in her late 70s, died from illness and her non-ill husband died less than three weeks later. Like you said, elderly people who have spent their entire lives together could easily loose their desire to continue on alone.

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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
At least Leia, in ANH and ESB, gives you the impression that she is an independent person of great importance to the Rebellion.

Actually, in ESB she gives me the impression of a cold-hearted bitch on the longest-running-PMS streak in galactic history ... but perhaps that's a topic for another thread.

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Well, if we don't hear from generalfrevious again, then we'll know he managed to get it right.

Haha. I was being sarcastic because Padme's death was a copout for Lucas and ended up contradicting the entire plot of the SW saga, even within Sith's storyline.

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I kinda think it was the kids that ultimately did her in. Sure she was heart broken and felt she had lost the one she loved forever, but I feel that had she not been with child(ren) at the time she would have pulled through. She died while giving birth to her children but it was Anakin's actions that caused Padme to weaken while doing so.
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